Kaby Lake/Broadwell E Approximate Release Date?

[APatientGuy]

I'm planning to build a gaming pc this june/july, when the gtx 1070 (and possibly a polaris card in the same price range) come out. I was planning on getting the build with the i7 6700k, but I've been starting to think about how close the newer intel cpus are to launching. Should I be worried about the next generation of intel cpus coming nearly after june/july? Do you think it will come during this time frame? Would it be a major difference? I have been waiting for a long time to get this build, but maybe it might be slightly foolish to get the build right before the new intel cpus come out. Please let me know what you all think. 

[X1XNobleX1X]

1 minute ago, APatientGuy said:

 

 

For Broadwell - E , I would say around June - July possibly August as some reviewers already have their hands on Broadwell -E generation motherboards. 

 

For Kaby Lake, I would say Q3 2016, so not for a while

 

 

Although, these are just my assumptions as we don't really know the release date.

[Guest]

Kaby lake -  Soon(TM) 

[intelCore]

6 minutes ago, Ronnie76 said:

Kaby lake -  Soon(TM) 

™

[DrM]

it will be a 5-10% improvement like every other generation. honestly its not worth the wait, even Haswell is still going stong these days. if skylake is anything to go by, it will be overpriced and out of stock the first few months.

[DarkRuskov]

probably not worth the wait, and it will probably be months later (not june july) so if you can wait, why not but i wouldn't worry too much about the new generation.

[SerialAceTU1]

So guys.

Are you going to get one if it is smaller than 14nm?

Or prefer better performance and lower power consumption compared to Haswell-E?

[AnnoyedShelf]

55 minutes ago, APatientGuy said:

I'm planning to build a gaming pc this june/july, when the gtx 1070 (and possibly a polaris card in the same price range) come out. I was planning on getting the build with the i7 6700k, but I've been starting to think about how close the newer intel cpus are to launching. Should I be worried about the next generation of intel cpus coming nearly after june/july? Do you think it will come during this time frame? Would it be a major difference? I have been waiting for a long time to get this build, but maybe it might be slightly foolish to get the build right before the new intel cpus come out. Please let me know what you all think. 

There's really no reason... Kaby lake isn't even a tock, it's a semi-tock.  The difference in performance will be miniscule, probably not even noticeable in games

[APatientGuy]

2 minutes ago, AnnoyedShelf said:

There's really no reason... Kaby lake isn't even a tock, it's a semi-tock.  The difference in performance will be miniscule, probably not even noticeable in games

By semi-tock do you mean a refresh? Somewhat like devil's canyon?

[AnnoyedShelf]

1 hour ago, APatientGuy said:

By semi-tock do you mean a refresh? Somewhat like devil's canyon?

Not quite.  It's not just a refresh, but it's also not a full microarchitecture update.  This Wikipedia article explains it pretty well.

[awesomeness10120]

2 hours ago, SerialAceTU1 said:

So guys.

Are you going to get one if it is smaller than 14nm?

Or prefer better performance and lower power consumption compared to Haswell-E?

That would be Cannonlake, which comes out next year or the year after that

 

[BrightCandle]

Intel's mainstream CPU releases every year and pending nothing going wrong they aim for the back to the school sale spike, that is in and around August. Sometimes they miss it and it goes into Q4 and becomes more a Christmas release or even the next year (like with the first i7's) but generally that is their most profitable release period and its what they aim for. Intel is going to do that every year and so once you get 6+ months out from a previous release you know the next one is close.

 

The Enterprise chips however have been kind of unreliable, they don't have a similar ideal release period within the year and as such tend to come out all over the place. Broadwell-E must be close as bios and motherboards have been released so I would expect a release soon but this one seems to have been delayed quite a bit generally.

 

Skylake came out September 2015, and last year was the right time to buy it to maximise its potential value. If you do intend to buy in July you would be buying it with just a few months before the next chip comes out, and when it comes out the previous generation will almost certainly be discounted to clear inventory shortly before. So buying right now or the next couple of months will be disproportionately expensive than had you a) bought it around its release or b) bought it once the new chip was due and inventory was being cleared.

 

There is a simple rule with silicon products, buy them near release once the price has stabilised (sometimes there is low volume in retail initially) or buy them budget when the next thing has released, but you definitely shouldn't buy them just before the next thing is due at full price and the later you leave it the less of the value you get out of it. A lot of people are buying when they are buying and don't follow the silicon process improvements and such all that much, but once you are evolving your machine over time and buying when a valuable improvement has been made doing this ensures much better value and performance in the long term. Since you already have a machine I would suggest you start considering the cycles and progress being made and how to maximise performance/$ by paying attention to the way the silicon industry itself actually works.

[Guest]

10 hours ago, DrM said:

it will be a 5-10% improvement like every other generation. honestly its not worth the wait, even Haswell is still going stong these days. if skylake is anything to go by, it will be overpriced and out of stock the first few months.

but for the overclockers in the community, like me, that 5-10% improvement will be that much more of an edge on everyone else, you know?

Its not a justifiable reason to upgrade from skylake, but, however if you're buying a new CPU you should buy Kaby over sky, I myself am in the process of earning enough money to buy a Z170 OC Forumla and a i3-6100 and when Kaby Lake drops by the 7700k

[APatientGuy]

1 hour ago, BrightCandle said:

Intel's mainstream CPU releases every year and pending nothing going wrong they aim for the back to the school sale spike, that is in and around August. Sometimes they miss it and it goes into Q4 and becomes more a Christmas release or even the next year (like with the first i7's) but generally that is their most profitable release period and its what they aim for. Intel is going to do that every year and so once you get 6+ months out from a previous release you know the next one is close.

 

The Enterprise chips however have been kind of unreliable, they don't have a similar ideal release period within the year and as such tend to come out all over the place. Broadwell-E must be close as bios and motherboards have been released so I would expect a release soon but this one seems to have been delayed quite a bit generally.

 

Skylake came out September 2015, and last year was the right time to buy it to maximise its potential value. If you do intend to buy in July you would be buying it with just a few months before the next chip comes out, and when it comes out the previous generation will almost certainly be discounted to clear inventory shortly before. So buying right now or the next couple of months will be disproportionately expensive than had you a) bought it around its release or b) bought it once the new chip was due and inventory was being cleared.

 

There is a simple rule with silicon products, buy them near release once the price has stabilised (sometimes there is low volume in retail initially) or buy them budget when the next thing has released, but you definitely shouldn't buy them just before the next thing is due at full price and the later you leave it the less of the value you get out of it. A lot of people are buying when they are buying and don't follow the silicon process improvements and such all that much, but once you are evolving your machine over time and buying when a valuable improvement has been made doing this ensures much better value and performance in the long term. Since you already have a machine I would suggest you start considering the cycles and progress being made and how to maximise performance/$ by paying attention to the way the silicon industry itself actually works.

Thank you for the lengthy response. I definitely understand what you mean, but there are also many other factors when it comes to building a pc to take into consideration. For example, by the time kaby lake comes out and the price stabilizes, black friday will come, zen will be near, and then polaris/vega gpus after, etc. Right now the pc I have is an overpriced (around $1250) hp all in one with integrated graphics I got as a gift with a dual core i5. I would not really consider it a real system, as it struggles to run even cs:go at a decent frame rate at the lowest settings, let alone AAA titles. I understand there might be a better time to purchase the pc, but there are always new major parts on the horizon. These interfere with each other which causes me to believe that there is not really an optimal time to purchase a pc. Why I believe it is a good idea to get it around june/july is because the gtx 1070 would be new at the time so I could maximize the performance of my gpu while still getting the 6700k at a stable price. I would always be waiting and I would have to stick with my hp aio for ages.

[BrightCandle]

12 minutes ago, APatientGuy said:

Thank you for the lengthy response. I definitely understand what you mean, but there are also many other factors when it comes to building a pc to take into consideration. For example, by the time kaby lake comes out and the price stabilizes, black friday will come, zen will be near, and then polaris/vega gpus after, etc. Right now the pc I have is an overpriced (around $1250) hp all in one with integrated graphics I got as a gift with a dual core i5. I would not really consider it a real system, as it struggles to run even cs:go at a decent frame rate at the lowest settings, let alone AAA titles. I understand there might be a better time to purchase the pc, but there are always new major parts on the horizon. These interfere with each other which causes me to believe that there is not really an optimal time to purchase a pc. Why I believe it is a good idea to get it around june/july is because the gtx 1070 would be new at the time so I could maximize the performance of my gpu while still getting the 6700k at a stable price. I would always be waiting and I would have to stick with my hp aio for ages.

Then you aren't in the optimal upgrade the PC group, you are in the has an obsolete PC and need to replace the lot group and hence aren't as sensitive to the the way the market works and it just matters a lot less because anything new is better than nothing.

[APatientGuy]

5 minutes ago, BrightCandle said:

Then you aren't in the optimal upgrade the PC group, you are in the has an obsolete PC and need to replace the lot group and hence aren't as sensitive to the the way the market works and it just matters a lot less because anything new is better than nothing.

Yes exactly. Thank you for your input and information.

[Lurick]

12 hours ago, APatientGuy said:

I'm planning to build a gaming pc this june/july, when the gtx 1070 (and possibly a polaris card in the same price range) come out. I was planning on getting the build with the i7 6700k, but I've been starting to think about how close the newer intel cpus are to launching. Should I be worried about the next generation of intel cpus coming nearly after june/july? Do you think it will come during this time frame? Would it be a major difference? I have been waiting for a long time to get this build, but maybe it might be slightly foolish to get the build right before the new intel cpus come out. Please let me know what you all think. 

If you aren't doing rendering or other heavy cpu intensive tasks then I would stick with the 6700K. Yes broadwell-E is just around the corner, launch date and whatnot will either be announced or happen at Computex in just under two weeks. Kaby Lake could be Q3 of this year or even early Q1 of next year depending so you're still a ways off on that and if the  Broadwell-E improvements are anything to go by for Skylake to Kaby Lake you're looking at a 10%+ improvement over previous generation. If that's something you would really like to get your hands on then upgrade to maybe a 6500 or 6600 non-K sku CPU now and then when Kaby Lake comes out you should just need a BIOS update and can sell the other CPU and make the switch.

[SerialAceTU1]

On 5/22/2016 at 10:36 AM, AnnoyedShelf said:

There's really no reason... Kaby lake isn't even a tock, it's a semi-tock.  The difference in performance will be miniscule, probably not even noticeable in games

Heard they got rid of tick-tock in favour of "Process, Architecture, Optimization" just because Moore's law is failing.

So Kaby Lake is focusing on something else?

[AnnoyedShelf]

39 minutes ago, SerialAceTU1 said:

Heard they got rid of tick-tock in favour of "Process, Architecture, Optimization" just because Moore's law is failing.

So Kaby Lake is focusing on something else?

As I said, Tick, Tock, Semi-Tock.  Process shrink, Architecture change, then either an optimization, or added features.