An idea for AMD

[pinksnowmanshandle]

54 minutes ago, BrightCandle said:

 

AMD could rely on their GPUs to be their saving grace, they just sort of need to get over that hump that they have with Nvidia.

[Sat1600]

48 minutes ago, othertomperson said:

You don't get to quote a post of mine then dictate what "we" are talking about. If I say I am talking about their need for a presence in the business sector, then that's what I'm talking about. If you're talking about something else, you should probably be quoting someone else.

I'm the OP. This is my thread. I started the thread because I had a "hey what if" moment. I started the thread because that's what I wanted to talk about. I quoted you because you kept talking about AMD not doing enough in the business market. I kept saying that I know that, and that's not my point. I, the OP, was talking about them targeting enthusiasts.

[AshleyAshes]

This is one of those 'I don't CARE how many flaws you think my idea has, I think it's great and I don't understand why you won't agree with me!' things.

[Sat1600]

3 minutes ago, AshleyAshes said:

This is one of those 'I don't CARE how many flaws you think my idea has, I think it's great and I don't understand why you won't agree with me!' things.

No. You didn't mention flaws on the actual idea. The idea was a marketing strategy for enthusiast. They are afterall marketing to us. You said that AMD would not succeed by selling only to enthusiasts. I don't disagree. My question was would doing something like this entice an enthusiast to buy AMD? Saying "well amd is doomed anyway" is not a flaw in the idea. 

 

 

[AshleyAshes]

Just now, Sat1600 said:

The idea was a marketing strategy for enthusiast.

Enthusiasts won't be swayed by a cheap OS.  They'll be swayed by benchmarks, stats, reviews, and taste makers. AMD processors are already very price competitive.  They have been pushed into aggressive pricing to make up for their lack of an ability to match Intel on the top teir and AMD's high end TDPs are basically bananas.  An FX-9590 is aggressively priced but it has a TDP of 220w.  Meanwhile an i7 6700K, while most certainly more expensive, it out performs and it does it while putting out only 91w TDP.  That 129 watt deficit is a LOT of heat that the enthusiast will have to manage in their build.  'Hey guys, cheap Windows if you buy AMD!' isn't going to solve that in the niche enthusiast market.

[Sat1600]

10 minutes ago, AshleyAshes said:

Enthusiasts won't be swayed by a cheap OS.  They'll be swayed by benchmarks, stats, reviews, and taste makers. AMD processors are already very price competitive.  They have been pushed into aggressive pricing to make up for their lack of an ability to match Intel on the top teir and AMD's high end TDPs are basically bananas.  An FX-9590 is aggressively priced but it has a TDP of 220w.  Meanwhile an i7 6700K, while most certainly more expensive, it out performs and it does it while putting out only 91w TDP.  That 129 watt deficit is a LOT of heat that the enthusiast will have to manage in their build.  'Hey guys, cheap Windows if you buy AMD!' isn't going to solve that in the niche enthusiast market.

The 9590 is ridiculous. I never understood why it was released. The Zen is going to be a 14nm chip and should max at 95 watts

[AshleyAshes]

Just now, Sat1600 said:

The 9590 is ridiculous. I never understood why it was released. The Zen is going to be a 14nm chip and should max at 95 watts

1) The 9590 exists because AMD needed a reply to the 3770K.

 

2) Zen doesn't exist yet.  Everything that was ever unreleased was said to be amazing on paper.  Until Zen is released, priced, and in the hands of reviewers, it's performance on paper and slides is irrelevant.

[Sat1600]

3 minutes ago, AshleyAshes said:

1) The 9590 exists because AMD needed a reply to the 3770K.

 

2) Zen doesn't exist yet.  Everything that was ever unreleased was said to be amazing on paper.  Until Zen is released, priced, and in the hands of reviewers, it's performance on paper and slides is irrelevant.

I'm not talking about platitudes. It's going to be a 14nm cpu with a 95w max tdp. The performance is definitely wait and see. But I can't see why the couldn't stick to 95w on a 14nm chip. 

[BurblingBarbacoa]

8 hours ago, AshleyAshes said:

Who in their right mind would use AMD in servers?  Have you SEEN their TDPs?  Power consumption/distrobution and HVAC demands are a big cost concern for server farm operations.

Ahem. I run a 8350 render server and naps and this post has offended me 

 

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[AshleyAshes]

6 hours ago, BurblingBarbacoa said:

Ahem. I run a 8350 render server and naps and this post has offended me 

 

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Wow, just one?   Sorry, I work in the film industry, one render box does not 'a server farm' make.

[SLAYR]

15 hours ago, AshleyAshes said:

Who in their right mind would use AMD in servers?  Have you SEEN their TDPs?  Power consumption/distrobution and HVAC demands are a big cost concern for server farm operations.

You haven't seen some of the Intel TDPs then the e5 2799v4 has a 145W tdp, and at least a third of the xeons have a greater then 100W tdp.

[othertomperson]

11 hours ago, Sat1600 said:

I'm the OP. This is my thread. I started the thread because I had a "hey what if" moment. I started the thread because that's what I wanted to talk about. I quoted you because you kept talking about AMD not doing enough in the business market. I kept saying that I know that, and that's not my point. I, the OP, was talking about them targeting enthusiasts.

I know you're OP. That doesn't mean it is down to you decide what point I was making. I was agreeing with @2001jaden

 

I really don't care what point you are making, it's not what AMD needs to do if they hope to survive the next five years.

[2001jaden]

11 hours ago, Sat1600 said:

I'm the OP. This is my thread. I started the thread because I had a "hey what if" moment. I started the thread because that's what I wanted to talk about. I quoted you because you kept talking about AMD not doing enough in the business market. I kept saying that I know that, and that's not my point. I, the OP, was talking about them targeting enthusiasts.

Enthusiast grade stuff even for intel amounts to probably less than a percent of their sales , the real money is in servers and businesses

[Sat1600]

9 minutes ago, othertomperson said:

I know you're OP. That doesn't mean it is down to you decide what point I was making. I was agreeing with @2001jaden

 

I really don't care what point you are making, it's not what AMD needs to do if they hope to survive the next five years.

They are making a 32 core zen based server processor. I'm not sure what AMD has to do in order to market them. (Aside from making then better than xeon). But they are also clearly marketing to enthusiasts. And that's what I was posting about. 

[Sat1600]

3 minutes ago, 2001jaden said:

Enthusiast grade stuff even for intel amounts to probably less than a percent of their sales , the real money is in servers and businesses

I know. That doesn't mean that they are not also marketing to enthusiasts. That's what my idea was about.

 

I was curious if that would make people consider switching.

[Orblivion]

Meh, I don't see it.  As others have said, unless Zen's performance puts them back on the map a packaged OS isn't going to help.  If Zen's performance does put them back on the map, then that and their GPUs are all they need to stay relevant.

[Sat1600]

46 minutes ago, Orblivion said:

Meh, I don't see it.  As others have said, unless Zen's performance puts them back on the map a packaged OS isn't going to help.  If Zen's performance does put them back on the map, then that and their GPUs are all they need to stay relevant.

Their gpus are outperforming nvidia in almost every price point (aside from the 950 and 980ti) and Nvidia is still outselling them. Just being better is not going to be enough.

[Orblivion]

1 minute ago, Sat1600 said:

Their gpus are outperforming nvidia in almost every price point (aside from the 950 and 980ti) and Nvidia is still outselling them. Just being better is not going to be enough.

Yeah, there is a lot more involved than just performance numbers, I know that.  But I just don't see how adding a copy of Windows is going to help them at all.

[AshleyAshes]

9 hours ago, SLAYR said:

You haven't seen some of the Intel TDPs then the e5 2799v4 has a 145W tdp, and at least a third of the xeons have a greater then 100W tdp.

And those do a hell of a lot more work per watt than AMDs offerings, now don't they?

[BurblingBarbacoa]

17 hours ago, AshleyAshes said:

Wow, just one?   Sorry, I work in the film industry, one render box does not 'a server farm' make.

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