DS1 or DS2

[GreezyJeezy]

what one should i buy dark souls 1 or 2

[Kiyuubi]

1.  2 is shit.

[fank]

DS1 ptde

2 is good but 1 is phenomenal

[descrom93]

I prefer 2. 

[Praesi]

For PC? Neither of them.

[don_svetlio]

Dark Souls 1 is love, Dark Souls 1 is life

Dark Souls 2 is good but not that good

[MEC-777]

9 hours ago, Praesi said:

For PC? Neither of them.

Why? 

 

I've played both on PC and they were fine, aside from the 30fps lock in DS1. 

[GreezyJeezy]

10 hours ago, Praesi said:

For PC? Neither of them.

I have a controller buddy 

[grayperview]

2 hours ago, MEC-777 said:

Why? 

 

I've played both on PC and they were fine, aside from the 30fps lock in DS1. 

it can be unlocked to 60fps, but it causes issues.....i have briefly played DS1, seemed really fun...

[killcomic]

DS1 is the cat's meow.

DS2 is a dog turd.

[Praesi]

13 hours ago, MEC-777 said:

Why? 

 

I've played both on PC and they were fine, aside from the 30fps lock in DS1. 

You should know that by now. No PC Gamer should support lazy F@*# like FROM Software.

[MEC-777]

7 hours ago, Praesi said:

You should know that by now. No PC Gamer should support lazy F@*# like FROM Software.

You still haven't answered the question. No I don't know. That's why I asked you.  

 

I very much enjoyed playing both games. Still play DS2 quite a bit. 

[GreezyJeezy]

4 minutes ago, Quibiss said:

Lack of proper settings, mouse/keyboard control are atrocious and not competitive in the slightest compared to a controller, UI scaling was terrible, FPS locks, locked texture resolution and lacking camera settings weren't a selling point either.  DSfix IS mandatory even though Bandai Namco filed DMCA takedowns for the fix for no apparent reasons. Pretty shoddy work, but sadly the general rule (ofcourse there are some exceptions, Capcom comes to mind) in Japan. PC gaming is a non factor for Japanese devs and publishers, so the ports are usually meh at best. And when one guy (admittedly Durante is awesome in every way) can fix most of the problems himself, I don't see how a multimillion dollar company isn't able to, so I can understand @Praesi's lack of support. 

If you game on a pic and don't have at least a $20 game pad then you are doing something wrong. Every pic gamer knows there will be games that NEED a controller. I got ds1 and it is perfect with controller

[MEC-777]

6 minutes ago, Quibiss said:

Lack of proper settings, mouse/keyboard control are atrocious and not competitive in the slightest compared to a controller, UI scaling was terrible, FPS locks, locked texture resolution and lacking camera settings weren't a selling point either.  DSfix IS mandatory even though Bandai Namco filed DMCA takedowns for the fix for no apparent reasons. Pretty shoddy work, but sadly the general rule (ofcourse there are some exceptions, Capcom comes to mind) in Japan. PC gaming is a non factor for Japanese devs and publishers, so the ports are usually meh at best. And when one guy (admittedly Durante is awesome in every way) can fix most of the problems himself, I don't see how a multimillion dollar company isn't able to, so I can understand @Praesi's lack of support. 

I don't deny all those issues are real issues for these games. However, IMO, they have been blown way out of proportion and the merits of the game(s) themselves far out-weigh these issues. 

 

That beings said; many of those graphical-related issues have/can be fixed (DS1 mainly). DS2 runs and looks just fine for what it is. The game was never meant to have cutting edge graphics and 4k textures. It's meant to be challenging and different.

 

As for the control complaints (this is not necessarily aimed at you @Quibiss), I just have to chuckle at the kb+m purists who insist on playing any and every game with ONLY kb+m. Anyone who forces themselves to ONLY use kb+m for every game is no better off than a console gamer forced to use only the gamepad controller. It is no different. Part of the benefit of PC gaming is the option to use a wide range of controllers/peripherals - any we want. Why not take advantage of that and just use a gamepad? Xbox360 knock-off controllers are a dime a dozen and make playing games like this FAR more enjoyable. 

 

That brings me to the next point; whether you like it or not, some games are just simply better played with the controller type they were originally designed to work with. For racing sims - use a proper wheel and pedals. For FPS games, use kb+m. For games like DS and other like it, use a gamepad. Instead of whining about the controls being crap for kb+m in DS, why not just try a cheap controller and see how it is? You never know, you might end up enjoying it.  (Oh no, we can't have that). 

 

I'm finding more and more that some PC gamers can be such snobby, self-entitled, elitist, consolephobist whiners. If all you care about is frame rates, textures, UI scaling and kb+m compatibility, then you've missed the whole point of games like this. 

 

 

[MEC-777]

20 minutes ago, Quibiss said:

That is not a point, if you port something to PC you should not assume that gamer X has peripheral Y to play something properly. If you bring something to a platform, you optimize for it, or you simply show a lack of respect to your customer, period. And I know that a racing game is better with a wheel, I know that a 3rd person action game is better played with a controller, but but that doesn't excuse that a game is borderline unplayable with the one peripheral setup unique to the platform, mouse and keyboard in case of PC gaming. And every PC gamer knows that you NEED a controller... We shouldn't NEED to know that, we should have a choice, and not get punched on the nose by devs/publishers until we accept the need of whatever makes a game playable.

Before DS2 came out, I bought DS1 to play through with some friends. They all highly recommended I use a gamepad controller. So I went out, got a cheap one and never regretted it. Pretty much anyone who has played the game and enjoyed it will highly recommend a controller. So to be stubborn and stick to kb+m then claim the game is garbage because they didn't add "proper" kb+m support, is a little short-sighted. If you absolutely HATE using controllers, then I would say the DS series is not for you, period. 

 

I now use an Xbox One controller with wireless adapter and it works/feels great for playing games like this. Was worth it, IMO. You're right; PC gaming is about choice and options. Why only confine yourself to one peripheral only and no others when you can have them all at your disposal? 

 

I get that the issue is they "didn't port the game optimized for all controller schemes", but the point I'm trying to make is; it doesn't have to be an issue (and isn't IMO) if you simply use the controller scheme the game works best with - which gaming on PC allows you to do.

[MEC-777]

19 minutes ago, Quibiss said:

If the games weren't that good the complains weren't that prominent. If I don't like a game, and it's just another meh-port, I just walk past. But since the Souls series is so brilliant design and gameplaywise it is so disappointing to see how little PC gaming means to a lot of publishers/developers. I know that Souls games aren't going for "HEY LOOK AT ME, LOOK AT HOW PRETTY I AM"-tripleA formula, but still, those low textures (even though a 3rd party mod fixes it, god bless DSfix) on a 1080p display, the smudge was real. I also own a Xbox pad for the PC and also a racing wheel, but imagine the outrage if lets say, Polyphony Digital decides to release Gran Turismo 7 on the PS4 and it only works properly with a wheel without giving any regards to the established (for that platform) peripheral/s people would be pretty mad. It's nice having a choice without being forced into something that totally disregards established options. And it's not about being a snob, like I said, if ONE guy can fix it, why don't those companies make it happen in the first place? It's the lack of respect to their customers that makes it so disappointing. I am willing to compromise and make my gaming expirience enjoyable, but the gaming industry just doesn't deserve the slack, no matter how good some games are. It just feels like they made the perfect cake, but the icing is made of feces just because they couldn't be bothered going all the way. And if you read my first reply in the thread you could see that I have huge respect for the series and that I really enjoy them. I just cannot ignore the technical flaws.

Just to be clear, I wasn't aiming most of what I said at you.  

 

I understand what you're saying and I agree to an extent. I also still hold to that some games simply play better with certain control schemes vs other, whether the platform supports it or not. On that same token, FPS games are far better controlled using kb+m, yet they constant release FPS games a plenty on the consoles which support only gamepad controllers. If the consoles properly and fully supported kb+m like PC's support gamepads, I wager a large number of players would start using kb+m in those games on the consoles. 

 

Consoles only support one type of controller (at the moment). PC supports all types of controllers/peripherals. So on PC, why not just use the type of controller that best suits the game instead of complaining it doesn't support one particular control type?

 

It's not that the game has issues - I get that. It's the severity of which these issues are elevated to - as being far worse issues than they really are, that I have a problem with. 

[GreezyJeezy]

1 hour ago, Quibiss said:

That is not a point, if you port something to PC you should not assume that gamer X has peripheral Y to play something properly. If you bring something to a platform, you optimize for it, or you simply show a lack of respect to your customer, period. And I know that a racing game is better with a wheel, I know that a 3rd person action game is better played with a controller, but but that doesn't excuse that a game is borderline unplayable with the one peripheral setup unique to the platform, mouse and keyboard in case of PC gaming. And every PC gamer knows that you NEED a controller... We shouldn't NEED to know that, we should have a choice, and not get punched on the nose by devs/publishers until we accept the need of whatever makes a game playable.

So are you saying not to support rockstar because they made bully and that game is 100% unplayable with out a controller. You can even change the settings because if you move the mouse it will exit you out of the settings menu