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4 minutes ago, Monarch said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

There's so much bad advice on LTT it's unreal. People are told to buy i5's and then when they have stuttering and fps drops in CPU-bound scenarios they blame developers for "not optimizing" the game.

I highly doubt you'd find a game struggling with an i5.

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19 minutes ago, Monarch said:

Sigh. The CPU is the brain that gives instructions to the GPU. You couldn't get 80 fps if the GPU wasn't capable of producing 80 fps. The fact that i5 feeds the 980 64 fps worth of data and the i7 feeds it data for 80 fps means the GPU is perfectly capable of producing 80 fps, but it needs an i7 to feed it because the i5 can't fully feed it.

this takes the cake for the most wrong post ever produced on LTT

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this guy sets a game you cant fully utilize gpu in to use 100% gpu. i5 gtx 980 ti

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i think i've proved my point now. YOUR ARGUMENTS HAVE BEEN LISTENED TO AND FOUND WANTING.      

you are simply wrong

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one more cause i like to rub salt in a mans wounds. SLI GTX 980 TI's AND AN I5 at 98% usage...if you look in the more section on this video he even talks about his gpu and cpu usage drivings temps to a stupid range :)

now go to your corner

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My i5 is starting to hold back my 980 in some games. It's not significant, but it is a thing. 

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11 minutes ago, MEC-777 said:

My i5 is starting to hold back my 980 in some games. It's not significant, but it is a thing. 

i see, may i inquire what your cpu model is and what you are doing when gaming? are you running youtube music with skype, Hamachi, super charger, and 64,568,987 other background processes running? :) for referencwe see video i posted above with 980 ti in SLI NOT BEING BOTTLE NECKED BY a i5. 

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2 minutes ago, Conan1600 said:

i see, may i inquire what your cpu model is and what you are doing when gaming? are you running youtube music with skype, Hamachi, super charger, and 64,568,987 other background processes running? :) 

i5-4570 3.2/3.6. Usually have a few things running while gaming; (chrome etc.). Sometimes YT. Nothing too heavy. Even when just straight gaming, Project Cars is very CPU heavy. Especially with a lot of other cars on-track.  

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7 minutes ago, Conan1600 said:

i see, may i inquire what your cpu model is and what you are doing when gaming? are you running youtube music with skype, Hamachi, super charger, and 64,568,987 other background processes running? :) for referencwe see video i posted above with 980 ti in SLI NOT BEING BOTTLE NECKED BY a i5. 

Dude, seriously. Give it up. Digital Foundry has beaten this dead horse into the FUCKING ground. A lot of us on this forum have gone from a i5 to a i7 because of the bottleneck and limitations of the i5. I had to upgrade to a 4790k from a 4690k OC to 4.6GHz with a 290!!!

 

No one's buying your shit man.

If anyone asks you never saw me.

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1 minute ago, MEC-777 said:

i5-4570 3.2/3.6. Usually have a few things running while gaming; (chrome etc.). Sometimes YT. Nothing too heavy. Even when just straight gaming, Project Cars is very CPU heavy. Especially with a lot of other cars on-track.  

i think peeps may not understand what we ask of our CPU's if you are running chrome you are using cycles, got the ol web cam fired up, running some decyption on music, yadda yadda. if your game is more cpu intensive than gpu intensive you can top out before gpu usage but that does not mean you can not fully use gpu as i have proven you can in other games. an i5 will never be a i7 but if you free her hands she can handle any gpu on the market just fine

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8 minutes ago, App4that said:

Dude, seriously. Give it up. Digital Foundry has beaten this dead horse into the FUCKING ground. A lot of us on this forum have gone from a i5 to a i7 because of the bottleneck and limitations of the i5. I had to upgrade to a 4790k from a 4690k OC to 4.6GHz with a 290!!!

 

No one's buying your shit man.

you think what you like and upgrade how you like mate. i just posted a vid of a i5 maxing 2 980 ti's. you are simply wrong, but hey...don't take my word for it...watch some linus video's, they have come close to covering this sort of thing in a few vids

 

as for no one buying my brown matter...only the smart ones are getting it, only the smart ones

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8 minutes ago, Conan1600 said:

you think what you like and upgrade how you like mate. i just posted a vid of a i5 maxing 2 980 ti's. you are simply wrong, but hey...don't take my word for it...watch some linus video's, they have come close to covering this sort of thing in a few vids

You mean like this Linus video that says RAM speed doesn't matter, even though the following Digital Foundry videos prove him wrong? Video's are only as good as the method used to make them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If anyone asks you never saw me.

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2 minutes ago, App4that said:

You mean like this Linus video that says RAM sped doesn't matter, even though the following Digital Foundry videos prove him wrong? Video's are only as good as the method used to make them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

like the parts god used to make you? :) walked right into that one there didn't cha mate...lolololol , no seriously, all jokes aside, im dome with it. i proved my point to my satisfaction. anyone who understands PC will get it...tata

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1 hour ago, Conan1600 said:

 

 100% on a gtx 980 with a i5 3570

Are you kidding me? The guy has an I7 5820K @ 4.3ghz. 

1 hour ago, Conan1600 said:

 

actual gpu bottle neck with an i7 1st gen

you sound like Jayztwocents. A bottleneck doesn't have to be gigantic to be called a bottleneck. 

59 minutes ago, Conan1600 said:

this takes the cake for the most wrong post ever produced on LTT

Nice argument.

55 minutes ago, Conan1600 said:

 

this guy sets a game you cant fully utilize gpu in to use 100% gpu. i5 gtx 980 ti

The heck is this?

51 minutes ago, Conan1600 said:

i7 and 980 ti 75 to 98% usage 

 

 

You'll always have a bottleneck somewhere. You get a 980 Ti with an i5, the i5 will be the bottleneck. Get an i7 and throw in another 980 Ti and once again you'll have a CPU bottleneck. But the thing is, the framerate is huge despite the bottleneck so the bottleneck is irrelevant. My point is an i5 will bottleneck a 980 in CPU-bound cases where framerates aren't anywhere near 100 fps and where CPU performance matters.

42 minutes ago, Conan1600 said:

 

 

one more cause i like to rub salt in a mans wounds. SLI GTX 980 TI's AND AN I5 at 98% usage...if you look in the more section on this video he even talks about his gpu and cpu usage drivings temps to a stupid range :)

now go to your corner

So you're testing a CPU in a GPU-bound scenario. Great methodology.

i7 9700K @ 5 GHz, ASUS DUAL RTX 3070 (OC), Gigabyte Z390 Gaming SLI, 2x8 HyperX Predator 3200 MHz

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Just now, Conan1600 said:

like the parts god used to make you? :)

What? You Are Wrong. And someone like you is why I wasted money on a 4690k that had to be replaced 2 months after I bought it so that my fps didn't suffer horribly if I wanted to use better shadow settings than a console.

 

 

If anyone asks you never saw me.

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3 hours ago, Conan1600 said:

i think peeps may not understand what we ask of our CPU's if you are running chrome you are using cycles, got the ol web cam fired up, running some decyption on music, yadda yadda. if your game is more cpu intensive than gpu intensive you can top out before gpu usage but that does not mean you can not fully use gpu as i have proven you can in other games. an i5 will never be a i7 but if you free her hands she can handle any gpu on the market just fine

I get pretty much 100% GPU usage in every game where I'm not using Vsync, including PCars, where I'm seeing over 95% consistently on all 4 cores, even when just running the game (very little running in the background). There have been very few occasions where I saw the CPU usage max out on all 4 cores and the GPU usage drop below 100% - this would be a CPU bottleneck situation. 

 

But you can have 100% GPU load without having 100% CPU and still leave some CPU-bound performance on the table. This can be seen in the DF video @App4that posted. 

2 hours ago, Monarch said:

Are you kidding me? The guy has an I7 5820K @ 4.3ghz. 

A bottleneck doesn't have to be gigantic to be called a bottleneck. 

 

You'll always have a bottleneck somewhere.

This.

 

Ideally you want the GPU to be the bottleneck as that means you're getting the highest performance possible from your system. Anything that slows the GPU down may not show as reduced load on the GPU but will show as reduced frame rates and is an unwanted bottleneck. And a CPU does not have to be maxed out to be causing a bottleneck.

My Systems:

Main - Work + Gaming:

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Woodland Raven: Ryzen 2700X // AMD Wraith RGB // Asus Prime X570-P // G.Skill 2x 8GB 3600MHz DDR4 // Radeon RX Vega 56 // Crucial P1 NVMe 1TB M.2 SSD // Deepcool DQ650-M // chassis build in progress // Windows 10 // Thrustmaster TMX + G27 pedals & shifter

F@H Rig:

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FX-8350 // Deepcool Neptwin // MSI 970 Gaming // AData 2x 4GB 1600 DDR3 // 2x Gigabyte RX-570 4G's // Samsung 840 120GB SSD // Cooler Master V650 // Windows 10

 

HTPC:

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SNES PC (HTPC): i3-4150 @3.5 // Gigabyte GA-H87N-Wifi // G.Skill 2x 4GB DDR3 1600 // Asus Dual GTX 1050Ti 4GB OC // AData SP600 128GB SSD // Pico 160XT PSU // Custom SNES Enclosure // 55" LG LED 1080p TV  // Logitech wireless touchpad-keyboard // Windows 10 // Build Log

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MY DAILY: Lenovo ThinkPad T410 // 14" 1440x900 // i5-540M 2.5GHz Dual-Core HT // Intel HD iGPU + Quadro NVS 3100M 512MB dGPU // 2x4GB DDR3L 1066 // Mushkin Triactor 480GB SSD // Windows 10

 

WIFE'S: Dell Latitude E5450 // 14" 1366x768 // i5-5300U 2.3GHz Dual-Core HT // Intel HD5500 // 2x4GB RAM DDR3L 1600 // 500GB 7200 HDD // Linux Mint 19.3 Cinnamon

 

EXPERIMENTAL: Pinebook // 11.6" 1080p // Manjaro KDE (ARM)

NAS:

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Soooo. how many of you guys built 619 PC's last year, hold a master electrician license, a MCSE IT license, a shop that has been profitable since 2 years after opening and actually has used and owned all of these CPU's and GPU's?   o wait i know who :)

 

you maintain that a i5 can not fully utilize a 980. i have shown videos of several doing so not only with a 980 that the op wants but with 2 980 ti in sli. 

 

you can certainly bog down any cpu on market today but that has nothing to do with if the cpu is capable of the desired actions

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7 minutes ago, Conan1600 said:

Soooo. how many of you guys built 619 PC's last year, hold a master electrician license, a MCSE IT license, a shop that has been profitable since 2 years after opening and actually has used and owned all of these CPU's and GPU's?   o wait i know who :)

You can be anyone on the internet. I just won a Turing Award last year.

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