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Ok...

 

That GPU usage definitely looks VERY odd. I wouldn't expect a bottleneck to look this. GPU core clock is going out the wazoo. Although it does seem to be bottleneck. Like a very extreme case of it. More than what I would expect an 8350 to do. Core 1 is being completely maxed out while the rest do nothing. So yea, the game is definitely single thread bounded. 

 

Everything else looks normal, gpu temp is fine, fan speed isn't freaking out so no overheating there, memory clock is fine, memory usage is fine, cpu temp is fine, RAM usage is fine

 

Two things I suggest you do.

 

Run Unigine Heaven. It's free, download and benchmark with it. That benchmark shouldn't be CPU bound at all. Run it and compare it here. Be sure to get the settings right as well. You should be getting around 1450 score. If you do get that, then I'm afraid the problem does lie with the CPU.

 

Like said before, try overclocking the 8350, even just one of the cores is fine. Just 1 core should be easy enough to bring to 4.7. Then see if that helps at all.

 

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If you're afraid of overclocking because the BIOS looks terrifying, use AMD Overdrive. It's a desktop software for overclocking. You'll easily be able to do a dirty overclock to 4.7 with one of the cores. They don't apply permanently either, so if your comp crashes, it should reboot fine as the settings aren't applied when computer is restarted (unless you tell it to do so).

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This site is my last hope. Linus' videos helped me when I originally built my computer, and I need help now, so please read and help me out.

I built my first Gaming PC about 4 months ago. Here was the build:

ASrock 970M pro

AMD R9 390

FX-9370

8GB ram

Hitachi 7200 RPM 1TB HDD

Seidon 120 XL water cooler

1080p AOC monitor

Windows 10

On this build, my computer was playing beautifully. I could play war thunder ground forces in some of the most intense situations, and maybe, just maybe, my FPS would drop to 59. MAYBE. But it could handle any game I played, with absolutely no problem. Recently,I'm found myself with some spare money, so I figured I could give my computer a little extra kick. I purchased an MSI 970 gaming mobo, ripjaw X-series 16 GB ram, an AMD fx-8350 (not an upgrade I know, but tests have proven its not the problem), and a Samsung 850 EVO 500 GB SSD. All of my other parts stayed the same.

Here's where it all started: my computer can now barely play war thunder ground forces on max at 50 FPS, and all of my other games play oddly too, it feels like my computer is more sluggish and I've lost a collective 10-15 FPS on every game. All of my games are struggling to play, and I have tried almost everything to remedy this. I have already reset windows, swapped around configurations, anything. My PC simply isn't performing like it should. I desperately need help. Any and al suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

EDIT: I forgot to mention I have already tried replacing my old parts in my computer, and the problem persists.

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This site is my last hope. Linus' videos helped me when I originally built my computer, and I need help now, so please read and help me out.

I built my first Gaming PC about 4 months ago. Here was the build:

ASrock 970M pro

AMD R9 390

FX-9370

8GB ram

Hitachi 7200 RPM 1TB HDD

Seidon 120 XL water cooler

1080p AOC monitor

Windows 10

On this build, my computer was playing beautifully. I could play war thunder ground forces in some of the most intense situations, and maybe, just maybe, my FPS would drop to 59. MAYBE. But it could handle any game I played, with absolutely no problem. Recently,I'm found myself with some spare money, so I figured I could give my computer a little extra kick. I purchased an MSI 970 gaming mobo, ripjaw X-series 16 GB ram, an AMD fx-8350 (not an upgrade I know, but tests have proven its not the problem), and a Samsung 850 EVO 500 GB SSD. All of my other parts stayed the same.

Here's where it all started: my computer can now barely play war thunder ground forces on max at 50 FPS, and all of my other games play oddly too, it feels like my computer is more sluggish and I've lost a collective 10-15 FPS on every game. All of my games are struggling to play, and I have tried almost everything to remedy this. I have already reset windows, swapped around configurations, anything. My PC simply isn't performing like it should. I desperately need help. Any and al suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

It's the 9370. You shouldn't have gotten a 9370.

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Im gonna ask a stupid question. Your sure you have the monitor plugged into the graphics card correct? You may also wanna disable the onboard graphics as well.

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Even though its a 6+2 VRM setup and should be fine...

 

Monitor VRM temps as such (The heatsink next to or under the CPU and if its quite hot, put a fan on it), some boards don't have good enough VRM's and can cause declocking to 1.4Ghz EVEN WITH LESS THAN 50*c CPU temps.

If the VRM is hot, and the CPU is not, it can still happen.

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Im gonna ask a stupid question. Your sure you have the monitor plugged into the graphics card correct? You may also wanna disable the onboard graphics as well.

Yes, or at least I'm 99.99% sure anyway. And I'm fairly sure it's not the problem, but it could help. I've made sure it's recognizing my card in MSI afterburner.

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Yes, or at least I'm 99.99% sure anyway. And I'm fairly sure it's not the problem, but it could help. I've made sure it's recognizing my card in MSI afterburner.

Ok that doesnt sound like the issue. Im gonna say its the 9370. Thats gonna be your major bottleneck unfortunately. 

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Switched to a different board...

 

 

Monitor VRM temps as such (The heatsink next to or under the CPU and if its quite hot, put a fan on it), some boards don't have good enough VRM's and can cause declocking to 1.4Ghz EVEN WITH LESS THAN 50*c CPU temps.

If the VRM is hot, and the CPU is not, it can still happen.

I had a slight feeling it was something to do with the mobo, but I'm getting sub 30C In CPUID on my cpu, the cooler is very good for the processor. But I will check that. Should that be the problem, is there anything I can do to remedy this?

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Ok that doesnt sound like the issue. Im gonna say its the 9370. Thats gonna be your major bottleneck unfortunately.

I have heard that before. But like I said, it was playing great on my older build, no problems. Even after testing it with the older parts, it wasn't working. I have seen multiple videos of an R9 390 with an 8350 benchmarking on war thunder, and crushing the FPS, with 100+ every time.

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I had a slight feeling it was something to do with the mobo, but I'm getting sub 30C In CPUID on my cpu, the cooler is very good for the processor. But I will check that. Should that be the problem, is there anything I can do to remedy this?

Usually a case of aiming a fan at it to drop the temps the VRM's are giving off.

Some boards are fine compared to others, like the temperature to start declocking under load.... is different across diff boards.

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I have heard that before. But like I said, it was playing great on my older build, no problems. Even after testing it with the older parts, it wasn't working. I have seen multiple videos of an R9 390 with an 8350 benchmarking on war thunder, and crushing the FPS, with 100+ every time.

Have you tried switching back to the other board to test if its the board. I honestly dont see that being the issue thought.

 

Also are you using the same graphics settings as those in the videos you have seen? Slight changes in graphics settings could change the the FPS you get.

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Usually a case of aiming a fan at it to drop the temps the VRM's are giving off.

Some boards are fine compared to others, like the temperature to start declocking under load.... is different across diff boards.

I've done some board research it everything is very vague, do you know anything about the 970 gaming? This would be a perfectly logical explanation, however, even after I have replaced my newer parts with my older parts, the problem persisted. Leading me to believe it's either software or a part compatibility issue?

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Have you tried switching back to the other board to test if its the board. I honestly dont see that being the issue thought.

 

Also are you using the same graphics settings as those in the videos you have seen? Slight changes in graphics settings could change the the FPS you get.

I have, and the problem stayed. And yes, I never changed the settings either, I have always been on max.

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So...you downgraded from an 9370 to a 8350?...

 

Boost clock downgrade of 4.7 to 4.2. Losing 11% roughly speaking. (8350 by itself barely supports a 280X, so it'll definitely bottleneck a 390)

 

Isn't war thunder a heavily single threaded? So that just emphasizes the problem...

 

Eh, have you installed MSI Afterburner and check all the stats after playing war thunder? See if there's anything abnormal. Low GPU usage, low gpu core clock, low cpu clock, maxing out vram, that sort of things, heck just screenshot and upload it here for us to see.

 

Maybe see if you can overclock the 8350? Or maybe try putting the 9370 back in there (Does that 970 mobo even supports 9370?)

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So...you downgraded from an 9370 to a 8350?...

 

Boost clock downgrade of 4.7 to 4.2. Losing 11% roughly speaking. (8350 by itself barely supports a 280X, so it'll definitely bottleneck a 390)

 

Isn't war thunder a heavily single threaded? So that just emphasizes the problem...

 

Eh, have you installed MSI Afterburner and check all the stats after playing war thunder? See if there's anything abnormal. Low GPU usage, low gpu core clock, low cpu clock, maxing out vram, that sort of things, heck just screenshot and upload it here for us to see.

 

Maybe see if you can overclock the 8350? Or maybe try putting the 9370 back in there (Does that 970 mobo even supports 9370?)

It doesn't, that's why I got the 8350. I'm very surprised, I know the CPUs aren't as good as Intel, but are they really that bad? If so, that still doesn't explain the ultra severe loss. I will definitely post that picture as soon as I get out of class. It was also extremely odd that replacing the parts didn't help. Would it be better to just scrap this build and redo it? I don't have much cash, but I figure I could make a little back on parts.

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OP here: follow the thread, and I'll make some posts a little later with pictures of my systems reading after some war thunder tests.

ALSO: now I need advice. Would it be better to scrap this build? I can make money back on some parts, and I could keep the basic parts to cut down on costs (case, cooler, ram, storage). If so, where should I go for good part deals and what direction should I take it?

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OP here: follow the thread, and I'll make some posts a little later with pictures of my systems reading after some war thunder tests.

ALSO: now I need advice. Would it be better to scrap this build? I can make money back on some parts, and I could keep the basic parts to cut down on costs (case, cooler, ram, storage). If so, where should I go for good part deals and what direction should I take it?

Followed. Awaiting pictures. 

 

As a gaming build, you really should have went Intel from the beginning. Eh, what's done is done. I empathize you, really, I have an 8350 build with a 290X (heck, had it running in dual 290X once, was horrid). Hated that chip, bottle necked the GPU in every game I played lol.

 

For the matter at hand, if it is what I'm guessing, the CPU, then an overclock should do the trick. See if you can get it up to 4.7 Ghz and see if that fixes the issue. If you're content with it then don't bother selling the parts and redoing it. You'll be losing a ton of cash that way. Unless you can manage to sell your parts at near cost price (which I doubt). If overclocking the chip doesn't help, then something is definitely wrong else where. (Since, yanno, 9370 is just 8350 oced).

 

Let's hope it actually ISN'T the cpu, I am a bit biased after my experience with my personal 8350. 

 

Good luck OP.

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Followed. Awaiting pictures. 

 

As a gaming build, you really should have went Intel from the beginning. Eh, what's done is done. I empathize you, really, I have an 8350 build with a 290X (heck, had it running in dual 290X once, was horrid). Hated that chip, bottle necked the GPU in every game I played lol.

 

For the matter at hand, if it is what I'm guessing, the CPU, then an overclock should do the trick. See if you can get it up to 4.7 Ghz and see if that fixes the issue. If you're content with it then don't bother selling the parts and redoing it. You'll be losing a ton of cash that way. Unless you can manage to sell your parts at near cost price (which I doubt). If overclocking the chip doesn't help, then something is definitely wrong else where. (Since, yanno, 9370 is just 8350 oced).

 

Let's hope it actually ISN'T the cpu, I am a bit biased after my experience with my personal 8350. 

 

Good luck OP.

Thanks man. To be honest, I'm just frustrated with the performance. I payed my money, and it isn't delivering.ill try the over clocking, and I'll start doing some research. I haven't had any trouble with my AMD CPUs at all, and it truly is baffling that a slight cpu downgrade could destroy performance like that. ESPECIALLY since other people using almost my exact setup, worse actually, is blowing my rig out of the water. Here's the link to the vid: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=npag9Ub1OPg

But I will likely end up getting an Intel cpu. I'll post those pics around 2:30 eastern time. Classes end at 1, so I'll do my best to get them here soon.

Thanks again, I really appreciate the help.

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I had the same problem with my 390, sold it and went Nvidia.

Problem solved.

Nah. 390 is fine. Just never combine AMD CPUs and AMD GPUs. Worst possible combo. 

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Is this a pitch for Nvidia, or is there some form of feasible solution resolving the problem with y

My current hardware?

AMD seems to be OK up to the 380x, after that you see an issue. So it's not a pitch for Nvidia but an observation. My 390 was paired with a 4690k and I still had issues. Digital Foundry and Eurogamer have been covering this.

If anyone asks you never saw me.

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Im gonna ask a stupid question. Your sure you have the monitor plugged into the graphics card correct? You may also wanna disable the onboard graphics as well.

 

There is no onboard graphics with the AM3/AM3+ socket. You'll notice there are no display outputs on those motherboards. ;)

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