FX 6300

[AllWheelsDrifting]

So I'm gonna be building a computer. My first plans were for a i5 4460 because it's the cheapest Intel quad core cpu (that i know of). Then I was looking at getting a A10 7850K. Now I'm thinking of getting a FX 6300 ( http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/pnvbmG ), does anyone have any good experience of gaming with this CPU. Also is it an actual hex core processor, or are they hyper threaded core thingys (still not the Lord of knowlege for computers). Whats the over-clocking like and what are some good coolers (air coolers preferably) to keep this cpu naice and cool?

 

 

P.S. Rant away

[The_Stig]

What will you be using this pc for? Of your only using it for gaming, then go for a i3/i5. The 6300 is a hexa-core CPU but Intel crushes it in application that only use a few threads due to their superior IPC.

[Prysin]

the i5 4460 is definetively the best choice

but the FX 6300 is the second best by a landslide

 

 

EDIT:

 

it has 6 ALUs, but only 3 floating points and integers.

So if we used "intel cores" as definition, it would be a 3 core CPU with half a core worth of "co processor" strapped to each core.

in some applications it will be a real 6 "core". In others it will be a 3 core

[don_svetlio]

FX 6300 = i3 4160 = A10 7850K (Athlon X4 860K)

[SeanAngelo]

So I'm gonna be building a computer. My first plans were for a i5 4460 because it's the cheapest Intel quad core cpu (that i know of). Then I was looking at getting a A10 7850K. Now I'm thinking of getting a FX 6300 ( http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/pnvbmG ), does anyone have any good experience of gaming with this CPU. Also is it an actual hex core processor, or are they hyper threaded core thingys (still not the Lord of knowlege for computers). Whats the over-clocking like and what are some good coolers (air coolers preferably) to keep this cpu naice and cool?

 

 

P.S. Rant away

i5 4460 is the better choice... don't get the fx6300.

[minibois]

Alright.

 

Well, you named three different CPU's so I will just go over them all quickly:

i5 4460: second cheapest Intel quad core (behind the 4440) with great single core performance, no overclocking, no hyperthreading.

A10: an APU basically meaning it can game pretty good with no GPU (But since you have a GTX 770, I wouldn't bother with it)

FX 6300: 6 core CPU, but some would argue it's 3 core with AMD's variant on hyperthreading. Not so good single core performance so is not very good in many games.

 

With your GPU I would highly recommend the i5, since the FX 6300 just bottlenecks it in too many games. You wont have to bother with overclocking too or slightly better than average motherboard or other cooling solutions.

[PorkyChoUk]

Get the intel i5 4460, thank me later

[Prysin]

Alright.

 

Well, you named three different CPU's so I will just go over them all quickly:

i5 4460: second cheapest Intel quad core (behind the 4440) with great single core performance, no overclocking, no hyperthreading.

A10: an APU basically meaning it can game pretty good with no GPU (But since you have a GTX 770, I wouldn't bother with it)

FX 6300: 6 core CPU, but some would argue it's 3 core with AMD's variant on hyperthreading. Not so good single core performance so is not very good in many games.

 

With your GPU I would highly recommend the i5, since the FX 6300 just bottlenecks it in too many games. You wont have to bother with overclocking too or slightly better than average motherboard or other cooling solutions.

a FX 6300 wont bottleneck a 770.

a FX (any FX) maxes out at a 290 reference....

 

as for how much "GPU" power difference there is between a 290 reference and a 770.... check this link.

http://anandtech.com/bench/product/1068?vs=1037

 

 

Please refrain from posting half truths or misinformation purposefully

[itachipirate]

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I had an FX-6300 with a GTX 970 for a very long time. I've done a lot of testing with that CPU and it's not bad. It wasn't a bad cpu, though everyone on here will tell you otherwise. With a GTX 770, you won't have problems in most games. The i3-4150 marginally beats the FX-6300 in most games, in some games the i3 stomps the FX-6300 and in some few others games the FX-6300 stomps the i3. For workstation tasks the FX-6300 is insanely better, in most games the i3 and overclocked FX-6300 are about the same, and in poorly optimized games like Total War and MMO games the i3 is much better. Here are my in-depth looks at theFX-6300 through my experience

http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/351398-amd-fx-6-month-conclusion/

http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/429893-experience-switching-from-amd-to-intel/

EDIT: I cut down some costs on your build without changing performance, I also put in an i5-4460 and motherboard which adds about 30E to overall cost, WELL WORTH IT!

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor  (£135.50 @ Amazon UK) 

Motherboard: ASRock H97 Anniversary ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  (£70.08 @ Amazon UK) 

Memory: Corsair Vengeance LP 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  (£59.99 @ Ebuyer) 

Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (£29.99 @ Aria PC) 

Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 770 2GB Superclocked ACX Video Card  (£140.00) 

Case: NZXT Source 210 Elite (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  (£35.93 @ Aria PC) 

Power Supply: EVGA 600B 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  (£51.96 @ Aria PC) 

Total: £523.45

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-12-12 14:12 GMT+0000

[AllWheelsDrifting]

I'm not asking if I should go i5 or FX 6300, i asking people who use a FX 6300 as a daily driver what they think of it

[minibois]

a FX 6300 wont bottleneck a 770.

a FX (any FX) maxes out at a 290 reference....

 

as for how much "GPU" power difference there is between a 290 reference and a 770.... check this link.

http://anandtech.com/bench/product/1068?vs=1037

 

 

Please refrain from posting half truths or misinformation purposefully

Can I have a link to that benchmark that apparently has an FX 6300 maxing out an R9 290? Because unless you have a game that likes 6 core CPU's a LOT, it wont happen. It just doesn't have the single core performance. 

I have seen many reviews where something like an i3 4160 beats all the AMD CPU's, just because they dont have the single core performance.

 

Believe me, I am not a fanboy, but I am fair to all products. The FX 6300 just is not really strong in many games. Maybe it wont create a super big bottleneck like it will for example with a GTX 980 Ti: but it may still yield less fps in games than the i5 with the 770.

[AllWheelsDrifting]

I had an FX-6300 with a GTX 970 for a very long time. I've done a lot of testing with that CPU and it's not bad. It wasn't a bad cpu, though everyone on here will tell you otherwise. With a GTX 770, you won't have problems in most games. The i3-4150 marginally beats the FX-6300 in most games, in some games the i3 stomps the FX-6300 and in some few others games the FX-6300 stomps the i3. For workstation tasks the FX-6300 is insanely better, in most games the i3 and overclocked FX-6300 are about the same, and in poorly optimized games like Total War and MMO games the i3 is much better. Here are my in-depth looks at theFX-6300 through my experience

http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/351398-amd-fx-6-month-conclusion/

http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/429893-experience-switching-from-amd-to-intel/

I would be doing some video editing, using software like blender and gaming, i also looked at a few GTA 5 benchmarks and there wasnt much difference between an i5-4460 and a FX-6300 (obviously the i5 did better) and for the money i would save i get the urge to go with the FX-6300

[minibois]

I'm not asking if I should go i5 or FX 6300, i asking people who use a FX 6300 as a daily driver what they think of it

I think @Textosterone has one, if you want the user experience

[Prysin]

I had an FX-6300 with a GTX 970 for a very long time. I've done a lot of testing with that CPU and it's not bad. It wasn't a bad cpu, though everyone on here will tell you otherwise. With a GTX 770, you won't have problems in most games. The i3-4150 marginally beats the FX-6300 in most games, in some games the i3 stomps the FX-6300 and in some few others games the FX-6300 stomps the i3. For workstation tasks the FX-6300 is insanely better, in most games the i3 and overclocked FX-6300 are about the same, and in poorly optimized games like Total War and MMO games the i3 is much better. Here are my in-depth looks at theFX-6300 through my experience

http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/351398-amd-fx-6-month-conclusion/

http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/429893-experience-switching-from-amd-to-intel/

however, one should note, that just int the time between facemans ancient and actually bit biased "findings" and even your own posts, the majority of big games coming out has been 6+ core games. Other titles have been patched, showing better performance with FX.

 

FX 6300 is worth it over an i3, because the motherboards at the bottom end offers better features.

but the i5 4460 is definetively better by a notable margin. That is not to say that the i5 will always be flat out better. in some cases, the FX is really close (still lower FPS), but if one factor in the cost of the 6300 vs the 4460, the 4460 isnt always "that great".

 

in general however, 4460 IS great.

 

STILL, OP WOULD BE BEST OFF GETTING A LOCKED SKYLAKE I5

[AllWheelsDrifting]

Can I have a link to that benchmark that apparently has an FX 6300 maxing out an R9 290? Because unless you have a game that likes 6 core CPU's a LOT, it wont happen. It just doesn't have the single core performance. 

I have seen many reviews where something like an i3 4160 beats all the AMD CPU's, just because they dont have the single core performance.

 

Believe me, I am not a fanboy, but I am fair to all products. The FX 6300 just is not really strong in many games. Maybe it wont create a super big bottleneck like it will for example with a GTX 980 Ti: but it may still yield less fps in games than the i5 with the 770.

Obvs its gonna "yield" less fps its a hex-core and not as good as an i5

[itachipirate]

I would be doing some video editing, using software like blender and gaming, i also looked at a few GTA 5 benchmarks and there wasnt much difference between an i5-4460 and a FX-6300 (obviously the i5 did better) and for the money i would save i get the urge to go with the FX-6300

If you want to do anything workstation don't get an i3. I edited my post, and you can get an i5-4460 for only like 30E more overall

[Patrick Bateman]

 

Intel 4460 for sure.. way better performance

[AllWheelsDrifting]

Intel 4460 for sure.. way better performance

As i stated, not asking which I should go for

[itachipirate]

however, one should note, that just int the time between facemans ancient and actually bit biased "findings" and even your own posts, the majority of big games coming out has been 6+ core games. Other titles have been patched, showing better performance with FX.

 

FX 6300 is worth it over an i3, because the motherboards at the bottom end offers better features.

but the i5 4460 is definetively better by a notable margin. That is not to say that the i5 will always be flat out better. in some cases, the FX is really close (still lower FPS), but if one factor in the cost of the 6300 vs the 4460, the 4460 isnt always "that great".

 

in general however, 4460 IS great.

 

STILL, OP WOULD BE BEST OFF GETTING A LOCKED SKYLAKE I5

Right, many new games take hold on the 6 cores which sounds good, but DX11 still only allows one core communicating with the GPU for draw calls at a given time. The ways that the multiple cores really show their muscles is through DX12 and Mantle tasks, or workloads that don't require communicating with the GPU that much

[itachipirate]

As i stated, not asking which I should go for

Dewd

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor  (£135.50 @ Amazon UK) 

Motherboard: ASRock H97 Anniversary ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  (£70.08 @ Amazon UK) 

Memory: Corsair Vengeance LP 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  (£59.99 @ Ebuyer) 

Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (£29.99 @ Aria PC) 

Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 770 2GB Superclocked ACX Video Card  (£140.00) 

Case: NZXT Source 210 Elite (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  (£35.93 @ Aria PC) 

Power Supply: EVGA 600B 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  (£51.96 @ Aria PC) 

Total: £523.45

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-12-12 14:12 GMT+0000

 

GET THIS DEWD

[Prysin]

Can I have a link to that benchmark that apparently has an FX 6300 maxing out an R9 290? Because unless you have a game that likes 6 core CPU's a LOT, it wont happen. It just doesn't have the single core performance. 

I have seen many reviews where something like an i3 4160 beats all the AMD CPU's, just because they dont have the single core performance.

 

Believe me, I am not a fanboy, but I am fair to all products. The FX 6300 just is not really strong in many games. Maybe it wont create a super big bottleneck like it will for example with a GTX 980 Ti: but it may still yield less fps in games than the i5 with the 770.

yes, the FX may bottleneck even a 270 if a game uses only 1 core.

 

however, we have reached a point in time where even WoW is supporting multiple cores (4 or 6 i think at max. Although a lot older posts indicate only 3 cores). MMOs in general are supporting more cores, as they need to in order to having their massive "world vs world" "faction vs faction" battles happening. You simply cannot pitch 300 players at eachother without having multi-core CPU support....

 

That being said, R9 290 REFERENCE. Yes, REFERENCE. is the ceiling. Custom PCB versions will get bottlenecked as they clock higher.

but, if you want some evidence....

Here is Anandtechs benchmark tool... i3 4360 vs FX 6350 (as these two has the most tests done to them for reasons i do not understand)

http://anandtech.com/bench/product/1281?vs=1197

 

as we can see, in some cases the i3 pulls ahead, in others, i doesnt. Which means that it could boil down to something as simple as CPU load varying. Definetively not a real bottleneck where we see landslide victories to the i3..

hell, even in 770 SLI. Yes, that would be TWO 770s... the FX 6350 is STILL keeping up with an i3....

 

All the games except BF4 is dual or quad core games though.....

 

i5 4690 vs 6350

http://anandtech.com/bench/product/1281?vs=1198

 

as we can see, in games that is CPU intensive, the i5s superior IPC shines. however in games like Tomb Raider which is heavily GPU bound, we see that even the FX 6350 keeping up. Even in BF4, which is fairly well balanced in terms of GPU and CPU load, the FX 6350 is keeping up both in SLI and single GPU scenarios...

 

Bioshock Infinite, F1 and Sleeping Dogs however is heavily CPU intensive titles that has a fair bit going on, although Sleeping Dogs is also quite GPU intensive due to its visual fidelity. Thus the i5 does show clear advantages here. meaning in these titles (which is dual or quad core), the FX cannot really shine, as it is not allowed to unleash its full potential.... However, even then, we still see respectable FPS numbers.

 

 

ill see if i can dig up that post with the 290....

[AllWheelsDrifting]

 

Dewd

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor  (£135.50 @ Amazon UK) 

Motherboard: ASRock H97 Anniversary ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  (£70.08 @ Amazon UK) 

Memory: Corsair Vengeance LP 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  (£59.99 @ Ebuyer) 

Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (£29.99 @ Aria PC) 

Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 770 2GB Superclocked ACX Video Card  (£140.00) 

Case: NZXT Source 210 Elite (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  (£35.93 @ Aria PC) 

Power Supply: EVGA 600B 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  (£51.96 @ Aria PC) 

Total: £523.45

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-12-12 14:12 GMT+0000

 

GET THIS DEWD

 

I am buying a stick of (new hyperX fury) ram from a friend so thats the ram out the window, I like my case thank you very much and want a good PSU (the one i have is gold efficency) and im going for a red build. I will consider the i5 so that upgrading my CPU is easy but tbh I will probs stick with the build plans I have.

[Prysin]

here is some more comparisons

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, proof that it isnt always a benefit to massively overclocking these CPUs

[AllWheelsDrifting]

here is some more comparisons

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, proof that it isnt always a benefit to massively overclocking these CPUs

If i did get a FX 6300 I would not over clock it that much

[Prysin]

If i did get a FX 6300 I would not over clock it that much

my findings, when i still had my FX 8320, was that going past 4.2-4.4GHz yielded little performance benefits, if at all.... i had mine running at 4.52GHz