I3-4170 vs fx 6300 vs fx 8320

[arniks8]

That's why these a "?". So you have?

Well yes I have.

[Newbie2Pcs]

I've decided to go for the i3 instead if the others , it's mostly due to flexibility as this leaves room for my friend to upgrade to an i5 later on down the road if he wishes.

[arniks8]

what performance difference did you notice between them?

Well my friends FX8 in some games is completely unusable *cough* Arma3 *cough* and has stuttering while my cousins i3 is slower than my i5 it can provide enjoyable experience with significantly less fps dips than FX8.

[arniks8]

Yes but by saying "People think they are getting a good deal on FX processors for gaming, and they are not" then what games are benchmarked to give that advise and where the source?

Benchmarks are the source of this brah.

[arniks8]

I've decided to go for the i3 instead if the others , it's mostly due to flexibility as this leaves room for my friend to upgrade to an i5 later on down the road if he wishes.

Just make sure that MB has features he might need like SLI support, number of sata ports, port for wireless card, etc.

There are some B/H series motherboard's that allow OC'ing K series CPU's so look into that too.

[lightningterror]

Actually , what is the difference between the 4160 and the 4170 ?

0.10 ghz in frequency.

[Newbie2Pcs]

Just make sure that MB has features he might need like SLI support, number of sata ports, port for wireless card, etc.

There are some B/H series motherboard's that allow OC'ing K series CPU's so look into that too.

How about the h97m anniversary from asrock ?

[Prysin]

 

Any 1150 CPU (can't OC):

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For FX 6300 (no OC recommended, requires good airflow), don't attempt to put a FX 83xx (in some cases VRMs overheat and the mb forces shutdown):

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FX 8xxx, Any AM3+:

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Or the FX 6300 or at the price of the FX8320 +mb you can get an i5 4440/4460 + mb

 

bullshit prices... here let me show you REAL prices

 

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CPU: Intel Core i3-4160 3.6GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($112.89 @ OutletPC)

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H81M-S1 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($39.99 @ SuperBiiz)

Total: $152.88

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CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor  ($96.89 @ OutletPC)

Motherboard: Asus M5A78L-M/USB3 Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard  ($43.89 @ OutletPC)

Total: $140.78

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CPU: AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor  ($136.99 @ NCIX US)

Motherboard: Asus M5A78L-M/USB3 Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard  ($43.89 @ OutletPC)

Total: $180.88

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You can OC the 6300 on that board, you can even OC a 8320 on that board (just not a whole lot) and they will be stable.

 

The "upgrade path" argument is only valid if you KNOW you are going to upgrade or have enough money to upgrade within 6-12 months. If you do not know if you can afford, or will upgrade within 6-12 months, then upgrade path is worth JACK SHIT. Because by then, the decline in prices will in most cases, have made up enough of a difference for you to break even when you sell your old parts., effectivly being back at "zero".

 

@Newbie2Pcs

For those games, the i3 will deliver good FPS, but it may fluctuate if you are doing other things in the background (chrome tabs, spotify, torrenting etc)... The FX 6300 would be the most sensible option, among the worthless FX CPUs... it doesnt cost a whole lot and performs pretty ok.

There is nothing about FX that is great. nothing. It is a boring, mundane and mediocre CPU that does its job just fast enough to not piss you off. I know, because for 2 years i owned a FX 8320... It can play almost every game at 60FPS or higher, if you got a good enough GPU..

 

For FX, Nvidias GPUs would be better. The low CPU overhead would help the FX CPUs greatly and would simply give you better framerates then the equivalent AMD card would....

[Newbie2Pcs]

bullshit prices... here let me show you REAL prices

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CPU: Intel Core i3-4160 3.6GHz Dual-Core Processor ($112.89 @ OutletPC)

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H81M-S1 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($39.99 @ SuperBiiz)

Total: $152.88

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-08-28 11:29 EDT-0400

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CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($96.89 @ OutletPC)

Motherboard: Asus M5A78L-M/USB3 Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($43.89 @ OutletPC)

Total: $140.78

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Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-08-28 11:21 EDT-0400

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CPU: AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor ($136.99 @ NCIX US)

Motherboard: Asus M5A78L-M/USB3 Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($43.89 @ OutletPC)

Total: $180.88

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Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-08-28 11:27 EDT-0400

You can OC the 6300 on that board, you can even OC a 8320 on that board (just not a whole lot) and they will be stable.

The "upgrade path" argument is only valid if you KNOW you are going to upgrade or have enough money to upgrade within 6-12 months. If you do not know if you can afford, or will upgrade within 6-12 months, then upgrade path is worth JACK SHIT. Because by then, the decline in prices will in most cases, have made up enough of a difference for you to break even when you sell your old parts., effectivly being back at "zero".

@Newbie2Pcs

For those games, the i3 will deliver good FPS, but it may fluctuate if you are doing other things in the background (chrome tabs, spotify, torrenting etc)... The FX 6300 would be the most sensible option, among the worthless FX CPUs... it doesnt cost a whole lot and performs pretty ok.

There is nothing about FX that is great. nothing. It is a boring, mundane and mediocre CPU that does its job just fast enough to not piss you off. I know, because for 2 years i owned a FX 8320... It can play almost every game at 60FPS or higher, if you got a good enough GPU..

For FX, Nvidias GPUs would be better. The low CPU overhead would help the FX CPUs greatly and would simply give you better framerates then the equivalent AMD card would....

I don't mean to seem like I didn't read the both your reply , but I'm quite confused by what you mean by the upgrade path argument is invalid . The way I see it , is that since both the i3 4170 and the i5 4460 are on the same socket , it'll make upgrading the cpu less of a hassle and will be a cheaper option than getting a new cpu and mobo if I went amd .

[arniks8]

ive never had any issuses with Arma 3 on a fx chip

lol whats a brah?

IMO if game mostly runs at 25 FPS, then it's not playable.

used as a familiar form of address for a man.

"hey, brah!"

[arniks8]

How about the h97m anniversary from asrock ?

A fine board.

[arniks8]

bullshit prices... here let me show you REAL prices

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-4160 3.6GHz Dual-Core Processor ($112.89 @ OutletPC)

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H81M-S1 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($39.99 @ SuperBiiz)

Total: $152.88

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-08-28 11:29 EDT-0400

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($96.89 @ OutletPC)

Motherboard: Asus M5A78L-M/USB3 Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($43.89 @ OutletPC)

Total: $140.78

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-08-28 11:21 EDT-0400

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor ($136.99 @ NCIX US)

Motherboard: Asus M5A78L-M/USB3 Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($43.89 @ OutletPC)

Total: $180.88

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-08-28 11:27 EDT-0400

You can OC the 6300 on that board, you can even OC a 8320 on that board (just not a whole lot) and they will be stable.

The "upgrade path" argument is only valid if you KNOW you are going to upgrade or have enough money to upgrade within 6-12 months. If you do not know if you can afford, or will upgrade within 6-12 months, then upgrade path is worth JACK SHIT. Because by then, the decline in prices will in most cases, have made up enough of a difference for you to break even when you sell your old parts., effectivly being back at "zero".

@Newbie2Pcs

For those games, the i3 will deliver good FPS, but it may fluctuate if you are doing other things in the background (chrome tabs, spotify, torrenting etc)... The FX 6300 would be the most sensible option, among the worthless FX CPUs... it doesnt cost a whole lot and performs pretty ok.

There is nothing about FX that is great. nothing. It is a boring, mundane and mediocre CPU that does its job just fast enough to not piss you off. I know, because for 2 years i owned a FX 8320... It can play almost every game at 60FPS or higher, if you got a good enough GPU..

For FX, Nvidias GPUs would be better. The low CPU overhead would help the FX CPUs greatly and would simply give you better framerates then the equivalent AMD card would....

Did you know that chrome, spotify and torrents are more RAM taxing.

Just stop this whole nonsense!

[Dabombinable]

How about the h97m anniversary from asrock ?

Yes that should be fine. However I suggest that if at all possible you go with an ATX motherboard. You will have far more expandability for any future upgrades (which is why I took the plunge and replaced my i5 4440+ Asus H87M-Pro with an i7 4790K and Asus Z97 Sabertooth MKII).

[arniks8]

I don't mean to seem like I didn't read the both your reply , but I'm quite confused by what you mean by the upgrade path argument is invalid . The way I see it , is that since both the i3 4170 and the i5 4460 are on the same socket , it'll make upgrading the cpu less of a hassle and will be a cheaper option than getting a new cpu and mobo if I went amd .

It seems that he still wants to convince you to choose AMD.

[KingKeith55]

Might aswell just go for the FX 6300. It's usually the cheapest, and besides:

 

Most games can use more threads now anyways. 

 

If he wants to play really CPU heavy games then he's going to need something better like an i5.

[Dabombinable]

Might aswell just go for the FX 6300. It's usually the cheapest, and besides:

 

Most games can use more threads now anyways. 

 

If he wants to play really CPU heavy games then he's going to need something better like an i5.

Usually the cheapest? Yes.

By much? No.

Do the motherboards that can reliably run it (with no overclock)  cost more than a motherboard that can run any Hawell based CPU? Yes.

Is the FX series old and lacking in features? Yes by 4 years.

Is the FX line able to overclock safely on the stock heat sink without too much noise? No.

Will the FX series get some new life from DirectX 12 enhanced games? No, it won't: http://www.winbeta.org/news/first-directx-12-compatible-game-shows-significant-performance-improvements-on-amd-and-nvidia-graphics

Is even the FX 9590 worse than a mid range i3 in most games? Yes.

Does the i3 provide a smoother frame rate? Yes.

[Nena Trinity]

Ya got 2 option buy Pentium and upgrade to i5 later or get 860K or FX and swap mobo+CPU later...

 

i3 is totally not worth the price!!!

[iludez]

Why not go used i5?

[Dabombinable]

Ya got 2 option buy Pentium and upgrade to i5 later or get 860K or FX and swap mobo+CPU later...

 

i3 is totally not worth the price!!!

the 4170 yes, however the i3 4370 is quite good.

[Nena Trinity]

the 4170 yes, however the i3 4370 is quite good.

4370 costs even more!!!

[Prysin]

Did you know that chrome, spotify and torrents are more RAM taxing.

Just stop this whole nonsense!

if you do not use these programs then yes.

 

Did you know that processing sound uses CPU resources?

Did you know that allocating, decompressing and saving files uses CPU resources?

Did you know that flash-player uses resources and that these annoying ads on pages can drain resources too?

Funny thing is, not everyone is you. Not everyone shuts down stuff or uses a Ad-blocker extension. Some of us are just fucking lazy and does all this at once.

Did you know that more CPU cores, or rather threads, can alleviate some of the performance hit, but not all of it?

 

This is mainly why you should never buy a dual core without hyper-threading and buy a i3 instead. But since the OP asked about the FX, it is only fair to give a reasonable explanation as to how and when a FX would be more useful, even if it is not more powerful.

[Dabombinable]

if you do not use these programs then yes.

 

Did you know that processing sound uses CPU resources?

Did you know that allocating, decompressing and saving files uses CPU resources?

Did you know that flash-player uses resources and that these annoying ads on pages can drain resources too?

Funny thing is, not everyone is you. Not everyone shuts down stuff or uses a Ad-blocker extension. Some of us are just fucking lazy and does all this at once.

Did you know that more CPU cores, or rather threads, can alleviate some of the performance hit, but not all of it?

 

This is mainly why you should never buy a dual core without hyper-threading and buy a i3 instead. But since the OP asked about the FX, it is only fair to give a reasonable explanation as to how and when a FX would be more useful, even if it is not more powerful.

He asked about an i3 as well.

[Prysin]

He asked about an i3 as well.

yes, and i replied on that aswell.

 

The i3 and 6300 will be pretty equal in games, i3 may have a small lead, but if you do shit in the background like massive file torrenting, playing spotify, streaming to twitch etc... then the FX would be more stable in the games while the i3 may fluctuate more.

 

They both serve a purpose, okay, FX barely if ever serves a purpose. But considering they cost about the same, it can be somewhat justified that if you do alot of shit in the background the FX would, if only this once, make sense....

 

If you shut down everything but your game... i3 is better fo sho.

[Dabombinable]

yes, and i replied on that aswell.

 

The i3 and 6300 will be pretty equal in games, i3 may have a small lead, but if you do shit in the background like massive file torrenting, playing spotify, streaming to twitch etc... then the FX would be more stable in the games while the i3 may fluctuate more.

 

They both serve a purpose, okay, FX barely if ever serves a purpose. But considering they cost about the same, it can be somewhat justified that if you do alot of shit in the background the FX would, if only this once, make sense....

 

If you shut down everything but your game... i3 is better fo sho.

The i3 can beat even an FX 9590 in games so just no. And how the hell would the other tasks affect gaming unless your doing all of them at the same time, choking your internet bandwidth. Oh and BTW-game streaming is going to be quite bad with anything from the FX line, the i3 is more than capable of multitasking, torrenting and spotify affects your internet bandwidth far more than it does the CPU-my Pentium 4 631 (at stock) at stock easily handles them, and if you were going to stream games you wouldn't be looking at anything from the FX line in the first place as it already has bad enough performance in games without any other programs loading the CPU down. The reasons you just gave me for using a CPU from the FX line have no grounds and in most cases are outright false.

[arniks8]

if you do not use these programs then yes.

Did you know that processing sound uses CPU resources?

Did you know that allocating, decompressing and saving files uses CPU resources?

Did you know that flash-player uses resources and that these annoying ads on pages can drain resources too?

Funny thing is, not everyone is you. Not everyone shuts down stuff or uses a Ad-blocker extension. Some of us are just fucking lazy and does all this at once.

Did you know that more CPU cores, or rather threads, can alleviate some of the performance hit, but not all of it?

This is mainly why you should never buy a dual core without hyper-threading and buy a i3 instead. But since the OP asked about the FX, it is only fair to give a reasonable explanation as to how and when a FX would be more useful, even if it is not more powerful.

CPU has to manage sound anyway. Listening to music won't make a difference nor will few tabs. I could disable two of my cores and benchmark it. For streaming i3 is a little to weak, but then again it can be upgraded to i5 if needed.