CPU Recommendations

[FearsAdvantage]

Sorry for reposting. I accidentally posted it on my old account that I'm no longer going to be using. Ok so to make this short and sweet, I have a really tight budget right now. Like $150 tight. All I have left to get for my PC is my CPU. I don't have a graphics card right now but just plan on playing league until I get one. I need a CPU that has good enough integrate graphics. Should I wait a while and save to get the 4790k or just go out and get the i3-4170. Or would I actually be better off getting the i5-4690k instead of the 4790k? I know the 4790k will give me a little future proofing, but why spend the extra $100 when I can overclock the 4690k and it will almost be just as fast? Or am I wrong on that? I'm just really stuck here. I'm ready to get my PC up and running. I listed the parts that I already have below with links. Thanks in advance.

 

Motherboard: Asus Z97-A ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  

Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury White 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory  

Case: Phanteks Enthoo Pro ATX Full Tower Case

Power Supply: Corsair 860W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply

Optical Drive: Asus BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 OEM (64-bit)

 

[Castdeath97]

I don't like your plan, just get a graphic card really. Save up by getting rid of components that won't help you in games: a cheaper but still decent power supply, less ram a cheaper CD/DVD reader and a i5 4460 and a H97 board. This way you can get a real graphic card.

[Valkyrie Lenneth]

4690k + cheaper psu

 

4690k will be future proof for gaming aswell... 4790k is more for editing/rendering n stuff

 

and the money u save on getting a  4690k + a cheaper psu.. will be giving u 200-230 savings so u could get a gpu for that ( or add some money to it and go with gpus like the 970 ect )

 

also if gaming is all u do, 8gb ram is enough

 

and u forgot a ssd/+hdd

[That Norwegian Guy]

 

Or would I actually be better off getting the i5-4690k instead of the 4790k?

 

 

Yes. The only game where hyperthreading makes a meaningful positive contribution is Battlefield 4. And without hyperthreading you might be able to overclock just a nudge further. Even for many workstation applications hyperthreading does not provide value for money. And for workstation applications where it does make sense, it makes more sense to get an extreme edition or Xeon than an i7 consumer chip.

[Manny Calavera]

What price point you are buying gpu at?

 

4690k and save up for better gpu

[Morgan MLGman]

@FearsAdvantage for 150 US dollars best you can get is http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117446 for this motherboard and socket and it will play LoL on its integrated graphics, I'd get the 4690k if I were you though.

But your parts seem from a higher class than the i3 so you've got pretty weird priorities.

[FearsAdvantage]

The parts I have listed I already own. The CPU is the last part that I need. What is the difference between the 4460 and the 4690k specs wise?

[Morgan MLGman]

The parts I have listed I already own. The CPU is the last part that I need. What is the difference between the 4460 and the 4690k specs wise?

I was actually checking it yesterday. 15-20% in various tests in favor of 4690k.

[theereal]

The parts I have listed I already own. The CPU is the last part that I need. What is the difference between the 4460 and the 4690k specs wise?

If this is a gaming PC and you dont intend to overclock get the 4460. Youre already on a tight budget.

[FearsAdvantage]

What price point you are buying gpu at?

 

4690k and save up for better gpu

I'm looking at getting a GTX 970. But that won't be for another 2 months or so. ACL surgery kinda holding my PC building down.

[FearsAdvantage]

If this is a gaming PC and you dont intend to overclock get the 4460. Youre already on a tight budget.

If I were to get the 4690k what type of performance could I see by overclocking it?

[Morgan MLGman]

If I were to get the 4690k what type of performance could I see by overclocking it?

You already get 15-20% just by getting the 4690k over 4460, and a good OC can give another 15% for example.

[theereal]

If I were to get the 4690k what type of performance could I see by overclocking it?

Depends on how far you push it, but you would also need to purchase an aftermarket cooler aswell to cool it when its being overclocked which would add even more to your budget. I game on a 4460 and a 970, at stock speeds and im able to push 60fps in the newest games maxed out. A 4690K would obviously be more  "future proof" though seeing as how you can overclock it provided you can cool it

[theereal]

You already get 15-20% just by getting the 4690k over 4460, and a good OC can give another 15% for example.

In gaming a stock speed 4690K vs a 4460 will only increase fps by like 3.

[Morgan MLGman]

@theereal probably, yes, but nobody asked about FPS, he was asking about raw performance and that's the possible boost over the 4460  after overclocking the 4690k. It's also more futureproof.

[theereal]

@theereal probably, yes, but nobody asked about FPS, he was asking about raw performance and that's the possible boost over the 4460  after overclocking the 4690k. It's also more futureproof.

I just said its more futureproof, and its a gaming rig, so what actually matters is not raw performance, but how much FPS it can provide for the extra price... When he said "what kind of performance can i get" he obviously meant how much more fps he would get seeing as how its a gaming PC.

[OAcesync]

If I were to get the 4690k what type of performance could I see by overclocking it?

Maybe 10% if you get a good overclock but it isn't a significant difference in performance and it costs you extra for a cooler

[Morgan MLGman]

I just said its more futureproof, and its a gaming rig, so what actually matters is not raw performance, but how much FPS it can provide for the extra price... When he said "what kind of performance can i get" he obviously meant how much more fps he would get seeing as how its a gaming PC.

Well I would prefer to have the 30% more from the CPU for the future and possibly higher resolutions but it's up to the OP what does he prefer. The answer should be that he can expect 20-30% better raw performance over the 4460 after overclocking and it should be up to him whether he wants to pay more so it lasts longer or to get the cheaper option. Anything beyond that is a personal opinion which you can have or not but it doesn't really matter in the end.

[theereal]

Well I would prefer to have the 30% more from the CPU for the future and possibly higher resolutions but it's up to the OP what does he prefer. The answer should be that he can expect 20-30% better raw performance over the 4460 after overclocking and it should be up to him whether he wants to pay more so it lasts longer or to get the cheaper option. Anything beyond that is a personal opinion which you can have or not but it doesn't really matter in the end.

You say my personal opinion doesent matter yet you say "i would prefer". Yes, the 4690K gives potential for overclocking and can make it last longer, but to really get a performance difference in games, and remember this is a gaming pc so he doesent need raw performance numbers he needs FPS you need to overclock it. Stock speeds on the 4690K in games isnt different from the performance in games than on the 4460.

[Morgan MLGman]

You say my personal opinion doesent matter yet you say "i would prefer". Yes, the 4690K gives potential for overclocking and can make it last longer, but to really get a performance difference in games, and remember this is a gaming pc so he doesent need raw performance numbers he needs FPS you need to overclock it. Stock speeds on the 4690K in games isnt different from the performance in games than on the 4460.

Yeah cause I like expressing my opinions. But I also give raw data to explain my choices so the poster can make his own decision.

Anyway basically the only advantages of the 4690k are more than 80-85% load situations since it'd be 100% on the 4460, and it will be enough for a longer period of time. I would prefer to pay extra and not have to worry longer but the OP might not want the same.

[theereal]

Yeah cause I like expressing my opinions. But I also give raw data to explain my choices so the poster can make his own decision.

Anyway basically the only advantages of the 4690k are more than 80-85% load situations since it'd be 100% on the 4460, and it will be enough for a longer period of time. I would prefer to pay extra and not have to worry longer but the OP might not want the same.

So, me telling him what advantages he will really get in numbers is useless compared to your comparison which features tasks he will not even be running? Ok, sure... Im tired so im not gonna reply anymore...

[Morgan MLGman]

So, me telling him what advantages he will really get in numbers is useless compared to your comparison which features tasks he will not even be running? Ok, sure... Im tired so im not gonna reply anymore...

Of course not, I just felt like you were trying to tell that the i5-4460 is better than the 4690k so I wanted to clear that up, you need to show him both the pros and the cons so he can analyze them and make his own decision imo.

[i_build_nanosuits]

Should I wait a while and save to get the 4790k or just go out and get the i3-4170. Or would I actually be better off getting the i5-4690k instead of the 4790k? I know the 4790k will give me a little future proofing, but why spend the extra $100 when I can overclock the 4690k and it will almost be just as fast? Or am I wrong on that? I'm just really stuck here.

The way i look at this: if your PC is already decked out and you already have a GTX 980/980ti R9 390(x)/Fury in the cart or something and still want to burn more money on it: go with the i7.

If you're on some kind of a budget and you can't afford a GTX 980, get the i5-4690K and a GTX 970/980 or R9 390/390X...if you can't afford this...then get an i5-4460 and a GTX 970/R9 390...if you can't afford this and you're any serious about your HD PC gaming experience then save more until you can.

[Manny Calavera]

So, me telling him what advantages he will really get in numbers is useless compared to your comparison which features tasks he will not even be running? Ok, sure... Im tired so im not gonna reply anymore...

 

Of course not, I just felt like you were trying to tell that the i5-4460 is better than the 4690k so I wanted to clear that up, you need to show him both the pros and the cons so he can analyze them and make his own decision imo.

 

well obviously, its gonna vary on the game/task

 

if we gonna look at bf4 MP bench with comparable gpu (780), witch we are ( ) then 4460 is fine.

 

But, then again, a wild assasins creed appears...

 

Sure, i7-k will be much more powerful, if you wanna spend on it, its not heresy. Its gonna get used.

Its just most games i5 can 60fps even at stock / locked.

 

Its good to note that i7 ( it does get used in games ) IS much more powerful. A xeon is more powerful (apart from FPU calc) than 4.6 4690k in multithread. Not only that. Sandy i7 also if i5 haswell is at stock. In games also.

[theereal]

well obviously, its gonna vary on the game/task

 

 

A potato can run all Ubisoft games at launch, they are so well optimized