Phase Change, What do you need?

[Guest]

Alright, I know you need a Phase Change case, 

http://www.ldcooling.com/shop/l/51-ld-pc-v10-phase-change.html or http://www.ldcooling.com/shop/ld-pc-v10-115v-usa/234-ld-pc-v10-115v-usa-phase-change-white.html Now, Linus used some sort of eraser to stop condensation from forming, I was wondering, Where could you get that? And if there is any other information that I should know before, you know, attempting to cool a CPU like this, because there aren't too many in depth guides on this 

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The thought of tagging Linus in it just occurred to me @LinusTech

[SpicyTurnip]

1. Phase change cooling is SUPER LOUD.

2. The power consumption is STUPID.

3. Why?

4. Why?

5. If something goes wrong with the phase change cooler it could be dangerous and expensive to repair.

6. WHY!!!!!??????

[Guest]

1. Phase change cooling is SUPER LOUD.

2. The power consumption is STUPID.

3. Why?

4. Why?

5. If something goes wrong with the phase change cooler it could be dangerous and expensive to repair.

6. WHY!!!!!??????

1 I don't care about noise >.> 

2. Electric bills aren't my department

3. Ice ice bby

4. I love tinkering  

5. This is why I have 2 systems I can afford downtime 

6. Vinny ice & extreme OCing on a x99 chip 

[You_are_a_cunt]

ICE ICE BABY

[harrynowl]

@Jumper118 can help

 

I wouldn't attempt this for a 24/7 thing though as you're throwing money down the drain, and if you're after a quick OC bench session dry ice is cheaper.

[Namindu]

Any arts and crafts stores have it. I think its called Kneaded Eraser.  Heres a amazon link: http://www.amazon.ca/STAEDTLER-ARTISTS-KNEADABLE-RUBBER-ERASERS/dp/B00KTYNT46/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1440140271&sr=8-5&keywords=art+erasers

[Guest]

@Jumper118 can help

 

I wouldn't attempt this for a 24/7 thing though as you're throwing money down the drain, and if you're after a quick OC bench session dry ice is cheaper.

just get like one Cinebench benchmark on a 5960x@ like 6GHz lol

(kidding of course) 

[Bsmith]

 

2. Electric bills aren't my department

 

it will be after that fucker starts running on a regular basis.

phase change is something that isn't viable in anyway, unless you do it for a kind of experimental purpose like linus did(hence he did it so wouldn't have to do)

I would personally recommand for you to put the money of a phase change system into upgrading the RAM or getting 2 monitors that are alike.

[Guest]

it will be after that fucker starts running on a regular basis.

phase change is something that isn't viable in anyway, unless you do it for a kind of experimental purpose like linus did(hence he did it so wouldn't have to do)

I would personally recommand for you to put the money of a phase change system into upgrading the RAM or getting 2 monitors that are alike.

I could do so, The reason why i made this thread now is so that I could purchase the things when I had the money, Ex) the eraser and on a rainy day assemble the system, as a side project just to say, "Oh yeah I have a 5820k that runs 6GHz stable at 20c Idle" (Just guessing numbers based on Linus with 5GHz on the 4790k with 0c) and to experiment, Since not a lot of people do it, It could be a cool build log and story to tell for people who are interested, and it would be extremely cool if someone where to offer me a spot on an OCing team,*speaking of which I just saw this video uploaded  

*

[harrynowl]

just get like one Cinebench benchmark on a 5960x@ like 6GHz lol

(kidding of course) 

In the event you could achieve that you'd actually be better off on dice than phase, but that's LN2 territory on those chips anyway.

 

Yea i don't really see phase as a viable solution in 90% of cases.

[Guest]

In the event you could achieve that you'd actually be better off on dice than phase, but that's LN2 territory on those chips anyway.

 

Yea i don't really see phase as a viable solution in 90% of cases.

Part of the reason I want to do phase change is the looks its self, I love how they designed the case, And I could probably reach 6GHz on the chip I'm using right now with like 1.8 volts woo amazing thermals ftw. Everything is an experiment to me, How far I could push a chip, When it starts to give in, How long will said chip last on 1.8 or so volts, I know Skylake would be a much better solution for OCing with the increased multiplier, also I just chose 6GHz out of a random # because I was in the middle of a DotA match 5.5 would be more realistic, I just wish Linus had done a bit more with OCing the system while they had it  

[Jumper118]

OK first of all you need to work out what kind of phase charger you want. One like Linus's was a small, low power single stage unit. It isn't good enough to cool an x99 chip and its going to keep the evaporation plate in the -35 to -20 range. the temperature can also depend on what type of gas is used in the system. Either standard car aircon gas or freezer type gas is used. Your CPU will still get hotter than 0c even if you have a really good delid.
As for it being dangerous. Its no more dangerous than an air condition ing unit, because that is basically what it is.
For 24/7 use you need to pretty much make your board water proof. Eraser is good, but it spreads cold so personally I would liquid tape the board instead.
Another thing that applies to phase is that you cant just turn on your pc , because it would overheat. You need to wait for the evap to cool down which normally takes 2-5 mins so don't expect really fast boot/turn on times.
When you turn the PC off and the phase off, you can't turn it back on again for another 20-30 mins because you have to wait for the pressure to equilise.
The noise that it makes will depend on the size, power and enclosure of the unit. Mine is really really loud because its very powerful, it has a rotory pump instead of a piston pump. You can also put sound deadening foam on the side panels if it bothers you, but it is very important that you don't hinder airflow to or from the hot side of the phase unit.
The other issuses you may encounter as well as the noise and power consumption is the heat. If you have a 300w phase cooler then that will be an extra 300w of heat going into your room as well as any extra heat from your over clock on the part you are cooling. This was one of the main problems for me as although my CPU was -50 my room gets much hotter an I end up overheating .

 

also you will never hit 6ghz on a phase cooler. its nowhere near cold enough. even 6ghz R15 under ln2 with your chip is unlikely. running 1.8v will kill it and it will probably overheat as well, even when benching. even with phase the highest you will be able to run 24/7 is high 1.4-1.5v and even then i wouldn't expect it to last much more than a year. 

[Guest]

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Okay, So what would you recommend to cool an X99 chip like the 5820k with a core clock ranging from anywhere from 4GHz-5GHz 

Also, If you did a restart, would you still need to wait the 20-30 minutes for the pressure to equalize? because I tend to have stupid long uptimes of anywhere to 1-10 days. I can deal with the long starts, because I've been a laptop user for years (haha) My current Z97 board has an dehumidifier function,  would that help in any way if I went with an ASRock X99 board?  ( if you would like to read it, its about at the bottom of the page http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z97%20Extreme3/ )

 

What would you recommend for an X99 setup, would you recommend any specific case that comes bundled with a condenser ect. Motherboard no preferable color ect, Exclude the GPU for now, I'll pick up a 980Ti HoF eventually or could you point me in the direction where I could learn some more advanced things on Phase, because it sounds like there is A LOT more that Linus didn't include in the video. Phase has been a long time thing that I would like to try, Sound doesn't really bother me that much, (Turning my headphone volume all the way up with my GPU fans max speed I can't hear them. ACX2.0 is hella loud) Also Please, warm this room up! I'm using a extremely heavy blanket and still freezing (God I turn my h100i fans on to quiet just so my CPU will kick out some more heat) 

Thanks!

[Guest]

Huge ass Radiator

[Guest]

Huge ass Radiator

that would be for water... 

Phase typically consists of a Evaporator, Condenser and Compressor 

I'm probably forgetting something but its not a rad 

[Guest]

that would be for water... 

Phase typically consists of a Evaporator, Condenser and Compressor 

I'm probably forgetting something but its not a rad

Big ass rads make it look COOLER.

[Jumper118]

Okay, So what would you recommend to cool an X99 chip like the 5820k with a core clock ranging from anywhere from 4GHz-5GHz 

Also, If you did a restart, would you still need to wait the 20-30 minutes for the pressure to equalize? because I tend to have stupid long uptimes of anywhere to 1-10 days. I can deal with the long starts, because I've been a laptop user for years (haha) My current Z97 board has an dehumidifier function,  would that help in any way if I went with an ASRock X99 board?  ( if you would like to read it, its about at the bottom of the page http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z97%20Extreme3/ )

 

What would you recommend for an X99 setup, would you recommend any specific case that comes bundled with a condenser ect. Motherboard no preferable color ect, Exclude the GPU for now, I'll pick up a 980Ti HoF eventually or could you point me in the direction where I could learn some more advanced things on Phase, because it sounds like there is A LOT more that Linus didn't include in the video. Phase has been a long time thing that I would like to try, Sound doesn't really bother me that much, (Turning my headphone volume all the way up with my GPU fans max speed I can't hear them. ACX2.0 is hella loud) Also Please, warm this room up! I'm using a extremely heavy blanket and still freezing (God I turn my h100i fans on to quiet just so my CPU will kick out some more heat) 

Thanks!

for and x99 chip you will need a phase changer that is tuned for 400-500w.

You will only need to wait to restart if you turn the phase off. It should be on a separate switch to the PC.

No matter what marketing bs they put on the box no motherboards can take actual condensation, you will need to insulate the board.

If you are serious about it then you will need to do a lot of research to divide what case you need and want. There are a few articles on it and look at general sub 0 articals as well.

also you are going to have to use a monster motherboard that is very high end, because with so much power going through the vrm all the time cheaper or not as well designed board aren't going to last very long and you want it to last 2 cpu's really. 

[Guest]

for and x99 chip you will need a phase changer that is tuned for 400-500w.

You will only need to wait to restart if you turn the phase off. It should be on a separate switch to the PC.

No matter what marketing bs they put on the box no motherboards can take actual condensation, you will need to insulate the board.

If you are serious about it then you will need to do a lot of research to divide what case you need and want. There are a few articles on it and look at general sub 0 articals as well.

also you are going to have to use a monster motherboard that is very high end, because with so much power going through the vrm all the time cheaper or not as well designed board aren't going to last very long and you want it to last 2 cpu's really. 

Alright, So Asus Sabertooth (8+2 Power Phase Delivery) or ASRock Extreme 11 (12 Power Phase Design) *leaning twords the ASRock but its near $600 but I won't cheap out, ASRock will be better because I won't have to remove the "armour" on it* And I'll start having a look for the best case to pick Thanks again

[Jumper118]

Alright, So Asus Sabertooth (8+2 Power Phase Delivery) or ASRock Extreme 11 (12 Power Phase Design) *leaning twords the ASRock but its near $600 but I won't cheap out, ASRock will be better because I won't have to remove the "armour" on it* And I'll start having a look for the best case to pick Thanks again

personally i would got with a gigabyte soc champion. you definatly need a board with the oc socket with the extra pins as this can increase overclocking on the x99 alot. you can use http://www.amazon.com/Gardner-Bender-LTB-400-4-Ounce-Electrical/dp/B000FPAN2K/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1440166703&sr=8-1&keywords=liquid+tape to cover the board 

this guide explain the insulation and condensation, the condensation is going to be the main problem for you as it will be running at a relatively high temp compared to ln2, but because you will be using tit for long periods at a time water might be a problem.

[SpicyTurnip]

1 I don't care about noise >.> 

2. Electric bills aren't my department

3. Ice ice bby

4. I love tinkering  

5. This is why I have 2 systems I can afford downtime 

6. Vinny ice & extreme OCing on a x99 chip 

I couldn't stop laughing at your reply lol! If you can and will, good luck!