FM2+ vs AM3+

[Church M Tryhard]

I currently have a am3+ mobo my dumb self ordered a fm2+ on accident. I origanally was going to return it till i started looking around hmmm why would a fm2+ mb come with a SLI card pattern (im speaking of the MSI a88x matx). So i started to look around at what i could possibly try to made work with that fm2+ mb. So i found AMD a10 7870k godavari quad core 3.9ghz for 149. not a bad price really since it stacked up against an i3 and dominated in graphics and thats all this machine is really going to do. but my question to you it i currently have a msi 760ga-fx (MB) fx-6300 3.5 vishera (CPU). id like to attempt the MSI a88x (MB) AMD A10- 7870k (CPU) is it 1) worth it 2) going to increase gameplay?[emoji1] thanks again

- Church

[FinestRyeBread]

Are you going to have a gpu

[Church M Tryhard]

750ti sc now soon a 970 g1 4g

[Whitestar]

Be careful with the AMD A10- 7870k as you may require a bios update to run that chip on any old FM2 board.

[kipper]

AM3 is king.

 

790FX FTW

[Sovek]

If your going to have a GPU, save yourself the money and get an Athlon X4

[Mbarton]

750ti sc now soon a 970 g1 4g

Then your better off with the am3+ with amd 6300 yull get more house power for the cpu and since you have a gpu the the apu would be kinda useless. 

[i_build_nanosuits]

None of these processors are a good match for a GTX 970, but the FX-6300 is the better processor...the APU is useless for you to have since it's slower than the FX-6300 in games and you won't use the iGPU since you have a dedicated graphics card anyways...and SLI is also pointless to have for you because the 750ti can't be put in SLI and the Fm2+ best CPU is no match for a single GTX 970 let alone two of them in SLI.

 

Return the FM2+ board, slap your GTX 750ti and FX-6300 on an AM3+ board...when you get bored of poor performance sell all this as a kit and make a new gaming rig based around a modern intel core i5 processor and a GTX 970 or other higher-end graphics solution.

[kipper]

I would i5 4690k for 2 970's minimum.

[Church M Tryhard]

what is the point in 2 970's? and why i5? i mean im not an amd fanboy or anything im just trying to keep it not like everyone else. (ex "oh cool you have the same i5 as me cool lets talk about how intel is so much better than amd") plus i do like intel especially since i use it everyday on my laptop and my work pc. just lookin for AMD is all

[i_build_nanosuits]

what is the point in 2 970's? and why i5? i mean im not an amd fanboy or anything im just trying to keep it not like everyone else. (ex "oh cool you have the same i5 as me cool lets talk about how intel is so much better than amd") plus i do like intel especially since i use it everyday on my laptop and my work pc. just lookin for AMD is all

because to take full advantage of a GTX 970 in games and not get CPU limited you do require a modern core i5 CPU or better.

Anything AMD has on the market right now is so old tech and so bad performance per core that even their highest end FX chips will cripple your gaming performance when paired with anything above an R9 280/285 or GTX 960 class of GPU's.

That's why...forget AMD on the CPU side of things, they are just not good for gaming...GPU they have good bang for the bucks for example the R9 390/390X are very good for the price.

Take it from me i owned an FX-8320@4.6ghz and it was NO MATCH for my GTX780 in 1080p gaming, which is slower than a GTX 970...and 4.6ghz FX-8 is as good as it gets from AMD. A simple 3.2ghz i5-4460 slap bitch any AMD chip when it comes to gaming, including the FX-9590 and gaming benchmarks and reviews across the internet agree with me, just go look it up, do your research before you slap a GTX 970 onto your old AM3+ motherboard and outdated FX-6300.

[kipper]

what is the point in 2 970's? and why i5? i mean im not an amd fanboy or anything im just trying to keep it not like everyone else. (ex "oh cool you have the same i5 as me cool lets talk about how intel is so much better than amd") plus i do like intel especially since i use it everyday on my laptop and my work pc. just lookin for AMD is all

Because you will be getting the performance of a single 970 overclocked with 2 970's and an 8350.

 

Now with the i5, you will get 970 SLi performance, not just an OC'd 970 performance.

[Church M Tryhard]

so moral of the story is i still cant throw out or return the fm2+ cuz my procrastinating self went past the 30 day return so im stuck with it. but when i do upgrade i will go media center with it. but i did wonder is there a way to possible run physx on the processer and graphics on the gpu? cuz currently when i go to the Nvidia control panel i am able to pick which one i usually just set it to auto. but when i put it to the 750ti it runs like crap for some reason. dunno why

[Church M Tryhard]

as for old tech the godavari is 3 to 4 months old how is that old tech? and the price difference

[i_build_nanosuits]

so moral of the story is i still cant throw out or return the fm2+ cuz my procrastinating self went past the 30 day return so im stuck with it. but when i do upgrade i will go media center with it. but i did wonder is there a way to possible run physx on the processer and graphics on the gpu? cuz currently when i go to the Nvidia control panel i am able to pick which one i usually just set it to auto. but when i put it to the 750ti it runs like crap for some reason. dunno why

advanced physx in games will only work on your Nvidia GPU...you cant turn it on if you do not own an nvidia gpu...and when you actualy turn it on your machine slows down to a crawl because the GTX750ti is a low-end 640 cuda core graphics card so the burden of advanced physx has the best of it.

[i_build_nanosuits]

as for old tech the godavari is 3 to 4 months old how is that old tech? and the price difference

launch date and CPU architecture dates and technologies are two different things...it's still based on steamroller/piledriver/bulldozer/whatevercrapthatendwith'er'' it's always the same old tech CMT based architecture developped YEARS ago...we are talking development of this CPU architecture was donw BEFORE 2010...and has seen only minor revisions over the years that have yield next to no benefit to be brutaly honest...your FX-6300 is still a better performing chip across the board than anything you could drop on an Fm2+ socket...your best bet would be the athlon 860K which is the flagship CPU without graphics...it also does not have any L3 cache and very limited amount of L2 cache and perform on par with an FX-4300 which is obviously worse than your FX-6300.

[Church M Tryhard]

cool so Fm2+ is shit and i should just stick with what i have and just put athlon in a completely different build right?

[i_build_nanosuits]

cool so Fm2+ is shit and i should just stick with what i have and just put athlon in a completely different build right?

yes, or sell the board to someone you know who want to build a cheap HTPC or entry level gaming rig...the athlon 860K as i said is a 70$ CPU that would be a good match for a GTX 750ti for example for an HTPC/low end gaming rig. Your FX-6300 is more powerful and would be a good match for an R9 280/285 or GTX 960 GPU for example. If you want to step it up one more notch to an R9 290/290X/390/390X or GTX 780/780ti/970/980 you will need at least a core i5 processor ivy-bridge or haswell...or an unlocked sandy bridge that you could overclock would do it as well...but an i5-4460 and cheap H97 board is the most cost effective solution.

[Church M Tryhard]

so my 6300 will not ever hold up to a 970?

[Guest trucker2]

Great article on godavari at annandtech

The cpu part is 4 steamroller cores. Higher IPC(instructions per clock cycle) On single threaded games with dx11 it may be faster then the 6300

Multi-threaded games with dx12 i would put money on the 6300 with its 6 cores.

What is awesome about godavari is that you get acceptable gameplay  and later you can upgrade to a discrete gpu if you want. Lots of vids on youtube on how it preforms on various games.

Also jayztwocents did a vid with an a10 7850k and there was no bottleneck with a gtx 770. On the annandtech review they even tested it with a gtx 980 and r9 295's showing "bottlenecking is just as much a software as it is hardware issue. In other words the 970 will work fin in some games and in others you wont get the framrates you want but it will still work.

The gameing industry is changing with pc and console gaming becoming unified behind the x86 standard. More cores matter.

The 970 will be awesome in with the 6300, especially after dx12.

the a10 will make a great gaming htpc all by it's self, And you can plug the 970 in it and see what it does.... and switch back if you want.

Hope this helps

[i_build_nanosuits]

so my 6300 will not ever hold up to a 970?

at 1080p it depends what games you play and if you have the gear to overclock the FX or not...(talking a good quality motherboard with strong VRM's and a good quality aftermarket CPU cooling solution.) But there are quite a few games out there that require strong and fast CPU cores to work properly with higher-end graphics solutions and in which even at 5ghz your FX would still be your limiting factor...is it worth it to trow a GTX 970 in there and start saving for an i5? sure...you will get much better performance in games then with your 750ti that's for sure...but in many games you just will not get the full performance the GTX970 has to offer.

[Church M Tryhard]

well i can oc the cpu more if need be im currently just 3.8ghz from the stock 3.5ghz i can go up to 4.1 if i need to but the motherboard ill try to find a link online if i can.

[iHardware Shelden]

You wouldn't happen to have a Microcenter you can go to? 

[Church M Tryhard]

microcenter?

[Nena Trinity]

I currently have a am3+ mobo my dumb self ordered a fm2+ on accident. I origanally was going to return it till i started looking around hmmm why would a fm2+ mb come with a SLI card pattern (im speaking of the MSI a88x matx). So i started to look around at what i could possibly try to made work with that fm2+ mb. So i found AMD a10 7870k godavari quad core 3.9ghz for 149. not a bad price really since it stacked up against an i3 and dominated in graphics and thats all this machine is really going to do. but my question to you it i currently have a msi 760ga-fx (MB) fx-6300 3.5 vishera (CPU). id like to attempt the MSI a88x (MB) AMD A10- 7870k (CPU) is it 1) worth it 2) going to increase gameplay?[emoji1] thanks again

- Church

A FX-6300 is about the same as a i3 in a modern game(Witcher 3) so I cannot say it will be all hopeless to mount a 970 but be aware some games that eats CPU may struggle... Still a i5 is better and your mobo cannot support a FX-83X0 so, if you need a better CPU you most buy new motherboard!

 

Also A88X its better to buy a Athlon X4 860K and OC it over a APU... (still weaker than a FX-6300)