To pre-order, or not to.

[FreeDiver]

Now that steam offers refunds, is there any reason not to pre-order games?

[Nino]

To boycott the practice of locking away game content to give """""exclusive content""""" to preorderers.

[Ivyk]

Don't ever pre-order.

[carguy86]

i never pre order games personally. (you never know it its a good game or if its bad)

[FreeDiver]

i never pre order games personally. (you never know it its a good game or if its bad)

But now there's less risk with refunds.

[FreeDiver]

To boycott the practice of locking away game content to give """""exclusive content""""" to preorderers.

Fair point.

[1Scotty1]

 

Nuff said...

[ShadowCaptain]

But now there's less risk with refunds.

 

Its not even about the risk its the shitty practice of locking content behind a pre-order wall and segregating the gaming population 

[blu4]

Don't pre-order games that you are even slightly unsure will be crap. First time in my life I pre-ordered the Witcher 3 and I did not regret it because I was absolutely sure it will be fully working and polished. It is. If you want to get Fallout 4, don't- you have no idea how it will play out.

[VortexS]

Now that steam offers refunds, is there any reason not to pre-order games?

 

You can't get a refund when preordering, unless you do it less than 14 days before the game comes out, since the refund applies only to games bought in the last 14 days with less than 2 hours of playtime.

[blu4]

You can't get a refund when preordering, unless you do it less than 14 days before the game comes out, since the refund applies only to games bought in the last 14 days with less than 2 hours of playtime.

I think it's 14 days when the game comes out not when you pre-order.

[VortexS]

I think it's 14 days when the game comes out not when you pre-order.

That would be pretty cool.

[ShadowCaptain]

Don't pre-order games that you are even slightly unsure will be crap. First time in my life I pre-ordered the Witcher 3 and I did not regret it because I was absolutely sure it will be fully working and polished. It is. If you want to get Fallout 4, don't- you have no idea how it will play out.

 

That makes no sense, there is no rule for one game and not for the other

 

Witcher 3 had tons of complaints on launch, you had no IDEA how it was going to come out, it could have been completely fucked

 

Why not trust fallout 4? if you can trust Witcher 3?

 

You either pre-order.. or you dont ... not just picking some over others you arbitrarily choose as "trustworthy"

[Thony]

Only pre-order games if u are dying to play them.

If its just an interesting looking game and/or u never played such genre before, wait for reviews, watch YouTube AMD twitch to make your decision after the release.

[Senzelian]

I don't preorder simply because the content you get for pre-ordering is often not even that great. Also at the first day there might be problems with servers and a lot of bugs, so I rather wait a few days or even months when the game is cheaper.

[Pärminator]

Just pre-ordered Fallout 4. The hype got me. I love Fallout games. As the last person said, pre-order games if you are dying to play them ^^ 

[R_Golden]

You can't get a refund when preordering, unless you do it less than 14 days before the game comes out, since the refund applies only to games bought in the last 14 days with less than 2 hours of playtime.

You can refund anytime during the pre-order and you get the normal 14 day 2 hours deal when it comes out.

[leelaa14]

 

Nuff said...

[razor767]

This TotalBiscuit video is worth watching. I think he makes some good points against pre-ordering even with refunds. 

 

EDIT: Specifically around the 9:05 mark.

 

[leelaa14]

This TotalBiscuit video is worth watching. I think he makes some good points against pre-ordering even with refunds. 

 

It's amazing how everyone always points to total biscuit regarding pre orders etc.

All he really goes on about is morals and how it's bad.

Frankly, if you know you will be getting the game, then pre irder it if you want to.

The fact that refunds are now available, there is no reason not to frankly.

[hawthorne]

There is no point in pre ordering, when you can download it relatively quickly. 

[razor767]

It's amazing how everyone always points to total biscuit regarding pre orders etc.

All he really goes on about is morals and how it's bad.

Frankly, if you know you will be getting the game, then pre irder it if you want to.

The fact that refunds are now available, there is no reason not to frankly.

It's not necessarily about morality, it's common sense.

 

If you pre-order a game, which is usually more expensive than it is at launch, and you find out the game has problems 2+ hours then you will not be entitled to a refund under Steam's new refund policy.

 

If you wait until the game has launched, when it's usually cheaper, you are at least gambling with less money. Better yet, by then there's usually a decent number of reviews, critiques, let's play's etc  for you to have some idea about whether or not the game is worth playing.

 

Even if a pre-order offers bonus content, you can usually get it cheaper at a later time or earn it by progressing through the game. If that bonus content / DLC is forever lock behind a pre-order wall then there's a risk of segregating the gaming population as @ShadowCaptain has already pointed out.  

[ShadowCaptain]

It's amazing how everyone always points to total biscuit regarding pre orders etc.

All he really goes on about is morals and how it's bad.

Frankly, if you know you will be getting the game, then pre irder it if you want to.

The fact that refunds are now available, there is no reason not to frankly.

 

The problem is with games like Mortal Combat X when a character is locked behind a Pre-Order wall, fair eonugh you can offer a poster or a discount on DLC or something, but locking content behind pre-order walls is BULLSHIT

And the amount of "please pre-order" trailers that are so far off the mark is getting stupid

 

If you pre-order you are basically saying "we accept all your bullshit and are blind sheep with money" - we already get treated like cash cows  from the big developers, without us giving them money before they even release the fucking game!

 

If pre-ordering was just a case of reserving a copy, (which is pointless since digital copies are basically infinite) and getting a discount for ordering early, fine - but its almost NEVER the case, and I absolutely hate that practice

The point is, we are trying to send a message to developers and publishers "that shit dont fly anymore, we will buy your game when you prove its worth out money"     pre-ordering is going "lel lel look we buy your hype have our cash"

 

Shit I have seen "pre order our game" without there even being a trailer out!! they  are like "this game is coming, give us all your money now" !!!!

 

THAT SAID (also TL:DR version)

 

People can do what the fuck they want, if you 100% are going to get the game and play it, regardless of its quality, then fair enough, go ahead, but honestly its something that should die, pre-ordering started because physical copies would sell out in shops, no longer the case with digital- so pre-ordering has become a shit show of locking off content to force people to pre-order the game to get the full experience 

[leelaa14]

The problem is with games like Mortal Combat X when a character is locked behind a Pre-Order wall, fair eonugh you can offer a poster or a discount on DLC or something, but locking content behind pre-order walls is BULLSHIT

And the amount of "please pre-order" trailers that are so far off the mark is getting stupid

 

If you pre-order you are basically saying "we accept all your bullshit and are blind sheep with money" - we already get treated like cash cows  from the big developers, without us giving them money before they even release the fucking game!

 

If pre-ordering was just a case of reserving a copy, (which is pointless since digital copies are basically infinite) and getting a discount for ordering early, fine - but its almost NEVER the case, and I absolutely hate that practice

The point is, we are trying to send a message to developers and publishers "that shit dont fly anymore, we will buy your game when you prove its worth out money"     pre-ordering is going "lel lel look we buy your hype have our cash"

 

Shit I have seen "pre order our game" without there even being a trailer out!! they  are like "this game is coming, give us all your money now" !!!!

 

THAT SAID (also TL:DR version)

 

People can do what the fuck they want, if you 100% are going to get the game and play it, regardless of its quality, then fair enough, go ahead, but honestly its something that should die, pre-ordering started because physical copies would sell out in shops, no longer the case with digital- so pre-ordering has become a shit show of locking off content to force people to pre-order the game to get the full experience 

 

 

It's not necessarily about morality, it's common sense.

 

If you pre-order a game, which is usually more expensive than it is at launch, and you find out the game has problems 2+ hours then you will not be entitled to a refund under Steam's new refund policy.

 

If you wait until the game has launched, when it's usually cheaper, you are at least gambling with less money. Better yet, by then there's usually a decent number of reviews, critiques, let's play's etc  for you to have some idea about whether or not the game is worth playing.

 

Even if a pre-order offers bonus content, you can usually get it cheaper at a later time or earn it by progressing through the game. If that bonus content / DLC is forever lock behind a pre-order wall then there's a risk of segregating the gaming population as @ShadowCaptain has already pointed out.  

I get what both you guys are saying, I don't pre order every game I want, but games like gta v fallout 4 (maybe) project cars are all game I knew I would be getting.

I had the money prior to the games release (about 2 weeks) and pre ordered them.

I only pre order the games I know I will be getting.

On to the subject of games launch with major bugs etc, whilst I agree on this, (looking at you Ubisoft)

lets not forget about how some games have been great when they have launched and then been broken months after release thanks to patches etc causing more bugs on in-balances.

I just recently bought mortal kombat, I felt like even though I never pre ordered it just buying it after release was a gamble, but I'm happy with it although I hear it had a god awful launch.

And yeah, if I had the money at the time I probably would of pre ordered it and would of been fooked..

Maybe it's the old console side of me that's transferred over to pc,

 

[Th3 Mans1ay3r]

To boycott the practice of locking away game content to give """""exclusive content""""" to preorderers.

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