Gaming CPU

[Duclos42]

I am new to building PC's and decided I am going to build a 1000-1100 system. I got my system all picked out and everything (Part List: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/bGTy7P) but then I realized that the AMD-FX6300 is only slightly less powerful, if any, to my Intel Core i5-4690k, but it's over $100 cheaper. And it seems like a lot of AMD processors are that way. Im very new to all of this, and pretty confused about what the best processor for my money is. If you guys could help me out that would be great. Also, I plan on playing a lot of AAA title games, but also some MMO's such as Guild Wars 2, and WoW. I know those games can be pretty CPU intensive. I just need some help on what processor to get to match my build well, thanks everyone.

[thekeemo]

the 6300 is about 66%  of the 4690ks power in games but if DX12 plays out they will be equal

 

right now games are only optimised for 2 cores but dx12 promises that the 6300 will get about triple the use it does now and the 4690k double

 

but as it stands intel cpus are much better for gaming as of early 2015

[Kinda Bottlenecked]

Definitely the i5 since you mentioned MMO games. 

Can't afford to skimp on the CPU if you want to play MMOs

[___]

the 6300 is about 66%  of the 4690ks power in games but if DX12 plays out they will be equal

 

right now games are only optimised for 2 cores but dx12 promises that the 6300 will get about triple the use it does now and the 4690k double

 

but as it stands intel cpus are much better for gaming as of early 2015

Damn, dx12 seems like an mid/low intel cpu killer.

[thekeemo]

Damn, dx12 seems like an mid/low intel cpu killer.

yup

[FruitBasketSilex]

yup

I personally find anything about dx12 false, until its release, where we can actually test it. Until then, it's safe to assume its all BS.

[thekeemo]

I personally find anything about dx12 false, until its release, where we can actually test it. Until then, it's safe to assume its all BS.

one sec I have a topic for yous

 

http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/335691-early-dx12-performance-results-from-pcperspective/

[othertomperson]

the 6300 is about 66%  of the 4690ks power in games but if DX12 plays out they will be equal

 

right now games are only optimised for 2 cores but dx12 promises that the 6300 will get about triple the use it does now and the 4690k double

 

but as it stands intel cpus are much better for gaming as of early 2015

 

Do you have a source for that? You're literally saying that one of the weakest FX CPUs is equal to the most powerful i5 in everything except gaming (ie, when your cores are leveraged)

[thekeemo]

Do you have a source for that? You're literally saying that one of the weakest FX CPUs is equal to the most powerful i5 in everything except gaming (ie, when your cores are leveraged)

I said its much wekaer asi t is right now but if DX12 plays out like it looks like it will be euqal.

[Poster]

If you really, really need to save that 100+ dollars, then the FX6300 would be just fine for you.  Otherwise, no reason not to go 4690k as it is a beast CPU and will absolutely handle everything you throw at it.

[weez]

If you go with the i5 you wont need to upgrade the CPU for many many years. Get the i5 and be done with it

[othertomperson]

I said its much wekaer asi t is right now but if DX12 plays out like it looks like it will be euqal.

 

Only because by your reckoning both are limited to two cores only. (I don't agree with this either, I think it's reasonably common now for games to use four).

 

If what you are saying is true then any program that can use all of the cores effectively, so all six of the FX and all four of the i5, they should perform the same. That's a hell of a claim to make, especially given that one is cheaper than an i3 at about £70, and the other is more than twice that.

[NingamerX]

well i will explain you:

 

there are 2 things super important,

1- the cores and the ghz. (the are other things but you dont need to morry too much since you are starting)

The cores, is like restaurant, if you have more waitresses, then you have more eficciency. intel has something called hyperthreathing, that means, each core can do the work of 2 cores

and that means every core is more eficient than amd(REMEMBER, 1 core do the work of two, but is still one core) , BUT amd is way cheaper with the money of a i5(2 cores 4 task) you could buy a 6 cores, maybe 8 (fx 8300),

when a game ony ask up to 4 cores, intel get the best performance, but when it ask for more than 4 then amd does it better.

 

2-the frecuency ghz, is the clock speed of the cpu, more ghz, more speed, 3.5 it's ok but you can go to 4, 4.5 

 

i recomend to buy a fx 8350(8 cores 4 ghz)  the price is not to hight for its permormance, it is awesome and will last for a while, way better than a i5 and similar price sometimes cheaper.

 

and sorry for my english, im still learning :C

[thekeemo]

Only because by your reckoning both are limited to two cores only. (I don't agree with this either, I think it's reasonably common now for games to use four).

 

If what you are saying is true then any program that can use all of the cores effectively, so all six of the FX and all four of the i5, they should perform the same. That's a hell of a claim to make, especially given that one is cheaper than an i3 at about £70, and the other is more than twice that.

thats why i gave multiple IFS

[Duclos42]

the 6300 is about 66%  of the 4690ks power in games but if DX12 plays out they will be equal

 

right now games are only optimised for 2 cores but dx12 promises that the 6300 will get about triple the use it does now and the 4690k double

 

but as it stands intel cpus are much better for gaming as of early 2015

What is DX12 exactly? 

[D3MON]

the 6300 is about 66%  of the 4690ks power in games but if DX12 plays out they will be equal

 

right now games are only optimised for 2 cores but dx12 promises that the 6300 will get about triple the use it does now and the 4690k double

 

but as it stands intel cpus are much better for gaming as of early 2015

my g3258 disagrees with this

[thekeemo]

What is DX12 exactly? 

it is a new game API set to replace DX11 

[othertomperson]

thats why i gave multiple IFS

 

But programs exist that do use all of the CPU cores. This isn't a hypothetical thing. I am very much doubting this, because otherwise the better FX CPUs like the 8350 should be on par with LGA 2011-3 CPUs.

[thekeemo]

But programs exist that do use all of the CPU cores. This isn't a hypothetical thing. I am very much doubting this, because otherwise the better FX CPUs like the 8350 should be on par with LGA 2011-3 CPUs.

no just no.

 

it just means that cores will even out

 

the 2011-3 has better single and multi core perf than a 8350

[airdeano]

well i will explain you:

 

there are 2 things super important,

1- the cores and the ghz. (the are other things but you dont need to morry too much since you are starting)

The cores, is like restaurant, if you have more waitresses, then you have more eficciency. intel has something called hyperthreathing, that means, each core can do the work of 2 cores

and that means every core is more eficient than amd(REMEMBER, 1 core do the work of two, but is still one core) , BUT amd is way cheaper with the money of a i5(2 cores 4 task) you could buy a 6 cores, maybe 8 (fx 8300),

when a game ony ask up to 4 cores, intel get the best performance, but when it ask for more than 4 then amd does it better.

 

2-the frecuency ghz, is the clock speed of the cpu, more ghz, more speed, 3.5 it's ok but you can go to 4, 4.5 

 

i recomend to buy a fx 8350(8 cores 4 ghz)  the price is not to hight for its permormance, it is awesome and will last for a while, way better than a i5 and similar price sometimes cheaper.

 

and sorry for my english, im still learning :C

 

great analogy, but you are assuming that both processor platforms are equal

in core and speed performance. they are not and they're completely different.

[FruitBasketSilex]

one sec I have a topic for yous

http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/335691-early-dx12-performance-results-from-pcperspective/

Dont care. I'll still wait and see what happens when it comes out.

[othertomperson]

no just no.

 

it just means that cores will even out

 

the 2011-3 has better single and multi core perf than a 8350

 

You are saying that when the entirety of the CPU is being utilised, the weakest offering by AMD is on par with the strongest Haswell Refresh i5. I'm saying if that were the case then I would expect tremendous things from the best the FX line has to offer.

[SteveGrabowski]

I can't believe how many people are acting like DirectX12 is AMD's savior.

 

1. It's not out

2. We have no idea if it will live up to the hype

3. We don't know what the adoption rate is going to be, what kind of time delay to expect before DirectX 12 becomes the standard for AAA games

4. We have like one developer from one company doing interviews and hyping it to be better than shaved pussy

[thekeemo]

You are saying that when the entirety of the CPU is being utilised, the weakest offering by AMD is on par with the strongest Haswell Refresh i5. I'm saying if that were the case then I would expect tremendous things from the best the FX line has to offer.

 

you should. just not extreme level. and this is all speculation

Dont care. I'll still wait and see what happens when it comes out.

same here im not recommending that people buy stuff from FX yet but im just telling people that the FX series isnt completely useless 

[SteveGrabowski]

I am new to building PC's and decided I am going to build a 1000-1100 system. I got my system all picked out and everything (Part List: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/bGTy7P) but then I realized that the AMD-FX6300 is only slightly less powerful, if any, to my Intel Core i5-4690k, but it's over $100 cheaper. And it seems like a lot of AMD processors are that way. Im very new to all of this, and pretty confused about what the best processor for my money is. If you guys could help me out that would be great. Also, I plan on playing a lot of AAA title games, but also some MMO's such as Guild Wars 2, and WoW. I know those games can be pretty CPU intensive. I just need some help on what processor to get to match my build well, thanks everyone.

 

Anything less than an i5 in a $1000+ gaming build is lunacy. A fully utilized 970 is a beautiful thing in 1080p gaming, a bottlenecked 970 is frustrating as hell.