Bottlenecking?

[Luís]

Hey guys, so i'm kinda new to the "real" pc gaming as i've always been playing at low resolutions and lowest settings on everything thanks to the oh so amazing computer i had coff coff

Anyway, i finally got to build a computer which im quite pleased by the performance but i still notice a few stutters in some games and sometimes mediocre performance, my graphics card is an Asus strix gtx 970, own 16gb ram, but when it comes to the CPU i'm not entirely sure on how good it is, and afraid that it is bottlenecking the GPU, i'm sorry for i am quite new to this and if my understandings are pretty bad, could you give me some help? Is my CPU not good enough for the rest of the system? Its a intel i7 4790 3,6Ghz

[techguru]

its top of the line

you probably got a problem with settings or drivers

cause its not the hardware

[i_build_nanosuits]

What games are you having performance issues with?

[SkilledRebuilds]

^This^

Could just be some shitty games,... you shouldn't be having performance problems at all.

[Luís]

Thanks to all of you for the quick response|!

 

 

 

What games are you having performance issues with?

 

^This^

Could just be some shitty games,... you shouldn't be having performance problems at all.

Mostly with Arma 3 altho i do know that is a very demanding game, just tried Ryse son of rome and also have to decrease to like low for it to run constantly at 60 frames,  Warframe also has some shutters, then ofc there are games like AC Unity that im aware of how poor in performance they are by default, which i have to run at medium with FXAA for it to properly run

[Luís]

Later would another Gtx 970 SLI solve any performance problems with any game? is it a viable option?

[techguru]

are you getting stuttering in games?

if so turn on triple buffering in the nv control panel

[SkilledRebuilds]

Ryse shouldn't have to be on Low though....

R9 290 plays it near enough or over 50-60fps with everything up except supersampling...

Maybe it's Nvidia drivers not doing a good enough job... but your card is plenty capable.

Have you set MAX performance in Nvidia's control panel power management instead of 'adaptive'?

[Luís]

are you getting stuttering in games?

if so turn on triple buffering in the nv control panel

I'm afraid that after exsploring nv control panel i still can't find the damn option, altho i usually tweak everything in-game.

 

 

Ryse shouldn't have to be on Low though....

R9 290 plays it near enough or over 50-60fps with everything up except supersampling...

Maybe it's Nvidia drivers not doing a good enough job... but your card is plenty capable.

Have you set MAX performance in Nvidia's control panel power management instead of 'adaptive'?

Where is that option? as i can't find it, sorry ehh, and suposedly yeah it should have better performance, same goes for titanfall tho, if i want anything higher than fxaa and at the same time have V-syn on, that drops to 40 fps

[VortexS]

Yeah I have the exact same setup as you (you can check it in my signature), and I get waaaaay more fps in those games. Maybe deleting and installing NVidia drivers will help. And check with GPU-Z if your GPU usage is actually going to normal levels when gaming.

[Luís]

Yeah I have the exact same setup as you (you can check it in my signature), and I get waaaaay more fps in those games. Maybe deleting and installing NVidia drivers will help. And check with GPU-Z if your GPU usage is actually going to normal levels when gaming.

In games like Shadow of Mordor i get to 98% usage of the GPU, altho in the Maxed settings, decreases to like 55 fps minimum, which is weird

[SkilledRebuilds]

I'm afraid that after exsploring nv control panel i still can't find the damn option, altho i usually tweak everything in-game.

 

 

Where is that option? as i can't find it, sorry ehh, and suposedly yeah it should have better performance, same goes for titanfall tho, if i want anything higher than fxaa and at the same time have V-syn on, that drops to 40 fps

Vsync on will destroy your average FPS if you go under 60fps., sticking to 45 or 30 jumps.. which IS HORRIBLE to witness.

Use triple buffering if using Vsync so it does not drop 15frames at a time when it drops. more like how your used to dropping fps in heavy scenes.

Or don't use Vsync and deal with that tearing over 60fps, but not under 60fps.

 

This is the setting you should be changing.. to max performance if not already that way.

 

Something you can do, just as a test after applying this ^

Is to run your games without Vsync, and then with... some games are better at handling tearing than others.

Ryse sucks because cutscenes are 100fps, tearing like a bitch... without vsync.

[Luís]

Vsync on will destroy your average FPS if you go under 60fps., sticking to 45 or 30 jumps.. which IS HORRIBLE to witness.

Use triple buffering if using Vsync so it does not drop 15frames at a time when it drops. more like how your used to dropping fps in heavy scenes.

Or don't use Vsync and deal with that tearing over 60fps, but not under 60fps.

 

This is the setting you should be changing.. to max performance if not already that way.

 

Something you can do, just as a test after applying this ^

Is to run your games without Vsync, and then with... some games are better at handling tearing than others.

Ryse sucks because cutscenes are 100fps, tearing like a bitch... without vsync.

 

Oh thank you that was actually helpful as i had it in adaptive, imma test it on a few games

[SkilledRebuilds]

Oh thank you that was actually helpful as i had it in adaptive, imma test it on a few games

Adaptive is KNOWN to have some issues in games with clockspeeds and of course.. power savings are to blame if chasing maximum performance But as its a default driver value, most don't realize this is the reason for lacklustre performance in some games.

Should be sweet now..

[Luís]

I did a bit of a testing on Ryse, everything set to max, including filtering to 8x,  vsync on, and its a big NOPE, it goes all the way to 35 fps in some scenarios, from 60 to 35 fps, not consistent at all.

When i did turn off vsync tho, i'd get 75 fps max, and 65 min, but that screen tearing, oh the screen tearing is too painful

[SkilledRebuilds]

I did a bit of a testing on Ryse, everything set to max, including filtering to 8x,  vsync on, and its a big NOPE, it goes all the way to 35 fps in some scenarios, from 60 to 35 fps, not consistent at all.

When i did turn off vsync tho, i'd get 75 fps max, and 65 min, but that screen tearing, oh the screen tearing is too painful

Thats Ryse tho, its really bad with Vsync off for tearing,.. other games are/should be better at handling it.

If Ryse's setting for supersampling/downsampling is on, turn that off when Vsync is on, this should ensure it stays at closer to 60fps constant.

If its off and your not getting 60fps always,.. the card may not be able to do it without an overclock or more powerful card.

 

How are your other games with Vsync on now that MaxPerf is enabled.?

[i_build_nanosuits]

OP most of the games you've mentionned so far are CPU intensive games that use only one or two CPU threads and they are known to run poorly on even the best hardware available.

Those games are what we call ''CPU bound games'' in that the performance rely purely on the speed of your CPU...trowing more GPU horsepower will not get rid of the problem...a faster CPU would get slightly better performance in those titles but yours is as good as it gets unless you could get an unlocked chip and overclock the crap out of it to get core #1 to run the main thread from the game engine faster...and it's not worth the upgrade to be honest.

I'm sure if you play modern AAA titles that are more multi-threaded and less CPU dependant you will get awesome performance out of your rig.

[Luís]

I was aware that those were CPU intensive games, but wasn't aware of how much, and when i built the rig i was convinced the CPU would get any job done, i guess i was naive, can any of you give the name of a game that would test the right? I could download battlefield 4 as it is free on origin for 48 hours, just to test it out, as i only own bf3 and i cna run that pretty much maxed out, would it be worth?

[DEDRICK]

4 questions.

 

Is this a fresh windows install?

 

Are you using updated graphics drivers?

 

What resolution are you playing at / What resolution is your monitor? 

 

Do you have DSR enabled?

[Luís]

Yep, original windows 8.1, build the pc bought the windows and installed.

 

I am, the latest update, uninstalled and installed and updated three times already to make sure.

 

2048 x 1152 , which is weird, this monitor doesn't even have HDMI entrance, it's a bit old

 

Yes i believe that it's at 2.0x and smoothness is 33%

[SkilledRebuilds]

Yep, original windows 8.1, build the pc bought the windows and installed.

 

I am, the latest update, uninstalled and installed and updated three times already to make sure.

 

2048 x 1152 , which is weird, this monitor doesn't even have HDMI entrance, it's a bit old

 

Yes i believe that it's at 2.0x and smoothness is 33%

Set Ryse to 1080p and don't use DSR with that game.

Then give it a shot with Vsync on.

1080p Performance

[DEDRICK]

 

 

Yes i believe that it's at 2.0x and smoothness is 33%

 

DSR 2x with your monitor resolution is rendering at 4k, which would explain why you are having issues.  You are more than likely capping your frame buffer (3.5GB usable VRAM) plus the massive increase in pixels to render

[SkilledRebuilds]

DSR 2x with your monitor resolution is rendering at 4k, which would explain why you are having issues.  You are more than likely capping your frame buffer (3.5GB usable VRAM) plus the massive increase in pixels to render

No doubt, 2x SSAA gives me around 40-55fps Lows and Highs on my OC'd 1100mhz 290X so I'd expect its the OP's issue with not sustaining 60fps with Vsync on.

[DEDRICK]

I could be wrong though, you weird monitor res is a 16:9 res but it's not typical. I only see 2 monitors with that resolution a Dell and a Samsung both from 2009.  Is that your native resolution? If so, that is actually higher than 4k with 2x DSR

[Luís]

That is true, as i said old monitor, altho monday i'm getting a new one, and i bought Ryse, i was using a...not...so...ahum legit one, running it at 60 frames now that its not in adaptive, altho...im having an issue, my rig is making an incredibly loud squeaky sound, i believe that's the GPU