Lower resolutions on UHD panels

[raendeu]

Hello' chaps.


I am planning to get a full 4K build along with the release of the 390X's, and it got me thinking -

- Will that still be enough for content creation with decent framerates?
 

 

I thought that in case it wouldn't be, I can always run a more demanding game in lower resolution, presumably 2K.

And here comes the question, will it still be reasonably good quality?

Is it relatively as much of an issue as playing anything below 1080p on a panel with that resolution?


Cheers,

[Prastupok]

Hello' chaps.

I am planning to get a full 4K build along with the release of the 390X's, and it got me thinking -

- Will that still be enough for content creation with decent framerates?

 

 

I thought that in case it wouldn't be, I can always run a more demanding game in lower resolution, presumably 2K.

And here comes the question, will it still be reasonably good quality?

Is it relatively as much of an issue as playing anything below 1080p on a panel with that resolution?

Cheers,

 

We can't be sure about "will it be enough"

 

BUT running anything but native resolution will not look that great.

[raendeu]

We can't be sure about "will it be enough"

 

BUT running anything but native resolution will not look that great.

I don't mind, as long as the game can run in approx. 40fps without AA in 4K, and the recording won't botch the gameplay in any way, (I'll go with AMD GVR i think, I still haven't researched that well enough.) then I'll be fine, and so will be the recording when downscaled to 2K

 

In terms of the panel, thanks for the answer. I guessed as much, but I'm still looking for validation from the 4K panel owner, I guess.

Edit: Another question popped to my mind.

Does a second card in Crossfire help out with recording a video, as usually not all of it will be properly used in games anyway?

Just a thought.

[Prastupok]

I don't mind, as long as the game can run in approx. 40fps without AA in 4K, and the recording won't botch the gameplay in any way, (I'll go with AMD GVR i think, I still haven't researched that well enough.) then I'll be fine, and so will be the recording when downscaled to 2K

 

In terms of the panel, thanks for the answer. I guessed as much, but I'm still looking for validation from the 4K panel owner, I guess.

 

It should be able to work fairly well, but no guarantees.

[Fate]

I don't mind, as long as the game can run in approx. 40fps without AA in 4K, and the recording won't botch the gameplay in any way, (I'll go with AMD GVR i think, I still haven't researched that well enough.) then I'll be fine, and so will be the recording when downscaled to 2K

 

In terms of the panel, thanks for the answer. I guessed as much, but I'm still looking for validation from the 4K panel owner, I guess.

1440p doesn't look too great, but 1080p looks fine (though not great directly comparing it to 4k of course). I have an Acer B286HK so it may or may not be different for your monitor. 

[GoodBytes]

On a 28inch 4K monitor, 1080p will not look good. It will look better than any other resolution, but not look good. It will look like you are displaying 1080p on a large TV which you are watching up close.

While 4K is 4x 1080p, where 4 pixels of the 4K resolution would make 1 pixel of 1080p on paper, we can't forget the LCD panel grid.

 

You might get better results with a 24inch 4K monitor due to the pixel density and thinner LCD panel grid, but I never tried it, as I don't have one.

[raendeu]

On a 28inch 4K monitor, 1080p will not look good. It will look better than any other resolution, but not look good. It will look like you are displaying 1080p on a large TV which you are watching up close.

While 4K is 4x 1080p, where 4 pixels of the 4K resolution would make 1 pixel of 1080p on paper, we can't forget the LCD panel grid.

 

You might get better results with a 24inch 4K monitor due to the pixel density and thinner LCD panel grid, but I never tried it, as I don't have one.

I'm banking for 28-32 inch Samsung UE850 with Freesync.

 

I don't see a reason to drop all the way down to 1080p. It wouldn't really make sense with dual 390X's and 4790K overclocked.

Considering those resolutions below are 16:9, I'm wondering, subjectively, how much of a difference there is between those on native 4K panel and how much of a performance improvement you get on them, considering that there aren't as many pixels to push through.

2560x14402880x16203200x18003840x2160

I can drop to any of these resolutions as they still are 16:9, and as long as I'll be recording it with this aspect ratio, and won't feel suicidal because of the quality drop, then I can compromise with that.

[othertomperson]

I don't mind, as long as the game can run in approx. 40fps without AA in 4K

 

A 290X can usually do that, AMD's next gen really should be able to...

[raendeu]

A 290X can usually do that, AMD's next gen really should be able to...

I don't argue with that.

What I'm worried about is the performance impact with recording at the same time, and more demanding / FoxNews retard'ness level of optimisation in games with mentioned recording in the background, and perhaps streaming.

[othertomperson]

I don't argue with that.

What I'm worried about is the performance impact with recording at the same time, and more demanding / FoxNews retard'ness level of optimisation in games with mentioned recording in the background, and perhaps streaming.

 

There a few things you can do: get two of them, go Nvidia and use Shadowplay, get an overkill CPU (Xeon or i7 if budget allows, or something like an FX 8350 -- you want the multitasking here arguably more than the single core), or use Quick sync.

[raendeu]

There a few things you can do: get two of them, go Nvidia and use Shadowplay, get an overkill CPU (Xeon or i7 if budget allows, or something like an FX 8350 -- you want the multitasking here arguably more than the single core), or use Quick sync.

Build ATM:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor  (£263.94 @ Aria PC) 

CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  (£84.99 @ Amazon UK) 

Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver 3.5g Thermal Paste  (£11.27 @ Overclockers.co.uk) 

Motherboard: MSI Z97-GAMING 5 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  (£109.16 @ Scan.co.uk) 

Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Z Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2133 Memory  (£121.27 @ Amazon UK) 

Storage: A-Data Premier Pro SP900 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (£61.88 @ Amazon UK) 

Storage: Western Digital BLACK SERIES 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (£123.54 @ Aria PC) 

Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 295X2 8GB Core Edition Video Card  (£518.22 @ More Computers) 

Case: Corsair 760T White ATX Full Tower Case  (£147.00 @ Aria PC) 

Power Supply: Corsair RM 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  (£105.00 @ Scan.co.uk) 

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit)  (£74.09 @ Amazon UK) 

Monitor: Dell P2715Q 60Hz 27.0" Monitor  (£566.35 @ CCL Computers) 

Keyboard: SteelSeries APEX Wired Gaming Keyboard  (£79.94 @ Amazon UK) 

Mouse: Mionix NAOS 8200 Wired Laser Mouse  (£57.60 @ Kustom PCs) 

Total: £2324.25

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

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I'm asking these questions, because my last recording experience was on HD7770 some time ago, when I had over a year break by setting my life back on tracks. Now I want to start from the beginning and go with new ideas and so on.

And the last time I remember recording on i3 and HD7770 (You can't go more redneck than that, believe me.) ended up with some damn lags during games, and it was more reasonable to drop down the resolution to 720p.

Since then, Shadowplay appeared, QuickSync evolved, and it's not just recording with Fraps, Bandicam, or other stuff anymore. But that's a discussion for another thread, which would be the best way to go in this case.

Unless you can shoot it down with one simple answer from experience.

[othertomperson]

That 295X2 will be very decent at 4K

 

You have an i7. It might be able to handle software encoding because of its hyperthreading, but failing that quicksync on your iGPU looks like the way to go.

[Badger906]

1080p scales perfectly on a 4k monitor as its technically 4 1080p screens. 1440p also scales well with no noticeable blurriness or normal issues that come with running at a lower resolution.

 

I played the entirety of dying light at 1440p on my 4k monitor with no complaints at all

[GoodBytes]

1080p scales perfectly on a 4k monitor as its technically 4 1080p screens.

No it doesn't. Read my post. I have tried it.

[Badger906]

No it doesn't. Read my post. I have tried it.

so have i on my 4k monitor lol i wouldn't say i thought it scaled perfectly based on something I've read on the internet. I have a gtx 770 so some games i have to play at a lower res. Ive experimented with both 1080p and 1440p and neither looks any worse to me than they would on a 1080p or 1440p monitor.

 

when dying light first came out before it was patched it played really badly, so i ran the game for the first few days at 1080p, i tired it on my lips 1080p monitors before i sold them and i couldn't notice a difference. after the patch i played it at 1440p and i again had no complaints. But as with everything computer based, one persons experience and perspective can be different from the next.

[GER_T4IGA]

so have i on my 4k monitor lol i wouldn't say i thought it scaled perfectly based on something I've read on the internet. I have a gtx 770 so some games i have to play at a lower res. Ive experimented with both 1080p and 1440p and neither looks any worse to me than they would on a 1080p or 1440p monitor.

But it depends on how far you sit back from your screen and how large it is. E. g. 32" at 1,5 meters with 1440p interpolated on a 4k panel will not look all that great. But if your at a good distance a way say 3+ meters you really won't be noticing much difference between real 1440p panels and the 4 panel.

Some of the TVs these days also seem to have great scaling capabilities but I don't know if that's going to do you any good.

[Badger906]

But it depends on how far you sit back from your screen and how large it is. E. g. 32" at 1,5 meters with 1440p interpolated on a 4k panel will not look all that great. But if your at a good distance a way say 3+ meters you really won't be noticing much difference between real 1440p panels and the 4 panel.

Some of the TVs these days also seem to have great scaling capabilities but I don't know if that's going to do you any good.

my monitor is 28" and I sit less than a metre away from it.

I have a really narrow desk. my keyboard touches my monitor stand and is level with the edge of the desk, I sit basically as close as I can get without being on the desk lol

[Glenwing]

so have i on my 4k monitor lol i wouldn't say i thought it scaled perfectly based on something I've read on the internet. I have a gtx 770 so some games i have to play at a lower res. Ive experimented with both 1080p and 1440p and neither looks any worse to me than they would on a 1080p or 1440p monitor.

 

when dying light first came out before it was patched it played really badly, so i ran the game for the first few days at 1080p, i tired it on my lips 1080p monitors before i sold them and i couldn't notice a difference. after the patch i played it at 1440p and i again had no complaints. But as with everything computer based, one persons experience and perspective can be different from the next.

 

It'll depend on how the specific monitor handles scaling. Yours might scale very well or perfectly, but not all 4K monitors will scale 1080p perfectly just because they're 4K, in fact most don't.

[GoodBytes]

so have i on my 4k monitor lol i wouldn't say i thought it scaled perfectly based on something I've read on the internet. I have a gtx 770 so some games i have to play at a lower res. Ive experimented with both 1080p and 1440p and neither looks any worse to me than they would on a 1080p or 1440p monitor.

 

when dying light first came out before it was patched it played really badly, so i ran the game for the first few days at 1080p, i tired it on my lips 1080p monitors before i sold them and i couldn't notice a difference. after the patch i played it at 1440p and i again had no complaints. But as with everything computer based, one persons experience and perspective can be different from the next.

It depends on your distance, it also depends what. For me, text needs to be as good as 1080p monitor. If not, then you have a problem. I didn't say that the text was blurry like normally non-native resolution, but rather it is a bit like text on a large TV. Hard to read.

In games you might not see is bad, as you are not reading text, but you can't say "perfectly", because that means that even text will appear perfectly readable, like a native 1080p screen, which isn't the case.

We can agree on "pretty/very good in games", but not "perfectly".