GTX 960 Ti?

[mousetrapsful]

They aren't gonna make a 960 Ti. They want you to pay for the 970 instead. 

[Sakkura]

I'd love it that would happen. Hopefully with 3GB of ram and a 256 bit bus and around $250. I would be so happy. Take a look at this: http://techreport.com/news/27726/report-4gb-of-ram-coming-to-gtx-960-in-march

 

3GB on a 256-bit bus would not make sense. More likely a 192-bit bus with 3GB, that fits neatly in between the GTX 960 with 128-bit/2GB and the GTX 970 with (sort of) 256-bit/4GB.

 

All depends how many GM204 chips Nvidia has that failed to become GTX 970s. 28nm is getting pretty old, so maybe yields are just so good they don't have many failed chips. And/or they might be anticipating strong demand for a future GTX 960 Ti, saving up a stockpile of GPUs so they'll be able to keep up with demand.

 

My guess right now is that Nvidia's two trump cards for responding to AMDs 300 series are the GTX 960 Ti and GTX Titan II (or 980 Ti) with GM200.

[Sakkura]

*Edit: I obviously mean release price. You're going to be expected to pay more for the fancy new lettering on the plastic than what the 290X costs currently because it's a "new card".

 

I hope AMD are not that dumb. When they launched the 200 series, the 280X was significantly cheaper than the 7970, and the other rebadges at least matched the price of the old incarnations. The 260X came with 2GB at the same price as the 1GB version of the 7790.

[othertomperson]

I hope AMD are not that dumb. When they launched the 200 series, the 280X was significantly cheaper than the 7970, and the other rebadges at least matched the price of the old incarnations. The 260X came with 2GB at the same price as the 1GB version of the 7790.

 

They're dumb enough to release one new GPU and call it a series... twice. Soooo...

[EZY17]

What CPU do you have?

I have a i5 3570K

[SteveGrabowski]

I have a i5 3570K

 

Oh man, get the R9 280 then. For $200 I'd still take an R9 280 over a GTX 960 any day, but for half the price of the worst 960 that's a no-brainer. An i5 brings out the best in an R9 280. To get a 280 for less than the best new 750 Ti price is just insane value.

[SteveGrabowski]

Bear in mind that the 970, at stock speed, basically performs like a 780 and the 980 only performs marginally better (though with overclocking it can match a 780 ti quite easily), I'm not sure how you're expecting the 960 Ti to perform. It doesn't make sense for Nvidia to have three cards spanning from £200 right through to over £400 with only incremental performance differences between each.

 

It seems like a GTX 970 at stock is about 5% better than an R9 290. I guess I'm expecting something 5%-10% weaker than an R9 290 for the 960 Ti selling for around $280 or so at launch. Maybe $260 for the reference clocked versions, but $280 for the ones most people actually buy. What are you expecting out of the hypothetical 960 Ti? My glasses may be rose-tinted by the tremendous values the 970 and 290 have offered these last 6 months though.  :lol:

[othertomperson]

It seems like a GTX 970 at stock is about 5% better than an R9 290. I guess I'm expecting something 5%-10% weaker than an R9 290 for the 960 Ti selling for around $280 or so at launch. Maybe $260 for the reference clocked versions, but $280 for the ones most people actually buy. What are you expecting out of the hypothetical 960 Ti? My glasses may be rose-tinted by the tremendous values the 970 and 290 have offered these last 6 months though.  :lol:

 

I have no idea what to expect from a 960 Ti. If the 900 series existed in a vacuum, they probably have it right as it is. The 970 is a good price, the 960 performs decently, it's priced a sensible amount less. It's only the existence of last gen AMD products at twilight prices that make it not a sensible buy right now.

[chopdok]

Well, most of 960 boards that I saw can have 6 VRAM chips, but only 4 mounted. Adding 2 more will give you a 3 GB 192 bit VRAM card.

[Sakkura]

They're dumb enough to release one new GPU and call it a series... twice. Soooo...

 

Worked fine for Nvidia, so why not. Besides, rumor has it there are two new GPUs in the 300 series. As well as a previously unseen fully enabled Tonga.

[EZY17]

Oh man, get the R9 280 then. For $200 I'd still take an R9 280 over a GTX 960 any day, but for half the price of the worst 960 that's a no-brainer. An i5 brings out the best in an R9 280. To get a 280 for less than the best new 750 Ti price is just insane value.

Ah okay thanks man. I'm just worried about heat and noise and power consumption  :unsure:

[Megahurt]

There is a big performance gap between the 960 and 970, so there is room for a card in there, and so far, the naming as been the same as the 600 series cards, which had a X60 Ti in the lineup.

[david cassar]

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I actually think that nvidia will be waiting for amd to release their new products. As we know the 285 which is basically a gimped Tonga is as fast as a 960. Rumours have it that the 370(x) will be the non gimped Tonga GPU. If priced correctly this would cause nvidia to drop the prices of the 960. The 970 is actually faster than the 780 by about 15%. If they drop the price of the 970 to under 300$ they would have room to squeeze in a 960 ti at say 250$. I think that in the future the 970 is going to cost 280$ while the 960 ti is going to cost between 240-250. Also I mean come on. Its obvious that nvidia are going to release a 960 ti. The gap in performance is too large between the 960 and 970. The 970 is literally as fast as two 960s. Nvidia aren't going to leave out that price segment.

[HyperHertz]

That's probably until AMD releases a new card then NVIDIA will make a move for it. Just my guess lol.

[othertomperson]

I actually think that nvidia will be waiting for amd to release their new products. As we know the 285 which is basically a gimped Tonga is as fast as a 960. Rumours have it that the 370(x) will be the non gimped Tonga GPU. If priced correctly this would cause nvidia to drop the prices of the 960. The 970 is actually faster than the 780 by about 15%. If they drop the price of the 970 to under 300$ they would have room to squeeze in a 960 ti at say 250$. I think that in the future the 970 is going to cost 280$ while the 960 ti is going to cost between 240-250. Also I mean come on. Its obvious that nvidia are going to release a 960 ti. The gap in performance is too large between the 960 and 970. The 970 is literally as fast as two 960s. Nvidia aren't going to leave out that price segment.

 

I agree with the first point. I said earlier that Nvidia are waiting for AMD to do something. I disagree with your estimation of the 960 970 gap though. Two 960s beat a 980 in some situations, and are otherwise generally comparable until vram becomes important. The 960 and 970 are about level, I wouldn't be surprised if the 285 becomes the 370X. That would mean that to compete, the 960 would have to drop to ~750 Ti tier with the 960 Ti being their true middle.

 

A 960 for £150 would be stupidly good value though imo. They would have to disable SLI in the driver or dramatically cut the price of the 980 if they did that -- otherwise you could SLI 960s and beat a 980 AND save £100 in the process. Especially if EVGA or someone gets the smart idea to make a dual 960 8GB card for £350.

[GrantSor+1]

You guys don't think Nvidia has a stockpile of GM204 chips that are failed 970s? There is so much of a gap between the GTX 960 and GTX 970 price-wise, you have to think Nvidia will have something in the middle. Plus that one leak from the Korean site that got the performance of the 960 spot on a few weeks before release claimed to test two other Nvidia GPUs, one of which performed near the 780 level. I'd be surprised to not see a GTX 960 Ti once the R9 300 series launches. It might be a good competitor for a possible $250 R9 380x (rebranded R9 290x).

The pricegap of the 960 and the 970 here in the PH is only $20-30 lol

[david cassar]

Sniperoni

Two 960s are actually worse than a single 970/290x in some cases. Also there are 960s which cost around 155£ I believe, and even then they are undercut by the r9 280 which can be found as cheap as 139£!

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_960_SLI/

[GrantSor+1]

there's also going to be a 965 right?

[Sakkura]

 I disagree with your estimation of the 960 970 gap though. Two 960s beat a 980 in some situations, and are otherwise generally comparable until vram becomes important. The 960 and 970 are about level, I wouldn't be surprised if the 285 becomes the 370X. That would mean that to compete, the 960 would have to drop to ~750 Ti tier with the 960 Ti being their true middle.

 

The GTX 960 is a 128-bit card, so it was always designed as a budget card. It's just taking midrange money now because Nvidia hasn't been forced to cut the price. That's the kind of thing we need AMDs 300 series for.

 

The GTX 970 is (sort of) a 256-bit card, so there's a huge gap in between. The 600 series ended up with THREE 192-bit cards between the 256-bit 670 and the 128-bit 650 Ti. If you want to compare other parts of the GPU, then the 670 had 1344 shaders vs. 768 on the 650 Ti (which was bandwidth-starved), 75% more. The GTX 970 has 1664 to the 960's 1024, a 62.5% difference. So there's clearly plenty of room for a card in between. It's just a question of when (or if) Nvidia feels they're forced to fill it.

[othertomperson]

The GTX 960 is a 128-bit card, so it was always designed as a budget card. It's just taking midrange money now because Nvidia hasn't been forced to cut the price. That's the kind of thing we need AMDs 300 series for.

 

The GTX 970 is (sort of) a 256-bit card, so there's a huge gap in between. The 600 series ended up with THREE 192-bit cards between the 256-bit 670 and the 128-bit 650 Ti. If you want to compare other parts of the GPU, then the 670 had 1344 shaders vs. 768 on the 650 Ti (which was bandwidth-starved), 75% more. The GTX 970 has 1664 to the 960's 1024, a 62.5% difference. So there's clearly plenty of room for a card in between. It's just a question of when (or if) Nvidia feels they're forced to fill it.

 

Comparing numbers between over two years of architectural changes is meaningless. I'm talking about how it actually performs in benchmarks.

 

 

Two 960s are actually worse than a single 970/290x in some cases. Also there are 960s which cost around 155£ I believe, and even then they are undercut by the r9 280 which can be found as cheap as 139£!

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_960_SLI/

 

Again, you're comparing the price of a current generation GPU with a two year old GPU at its end-of-life price.

[Sakkura]

 

Comparing numbers between over two years of architectural changes is meaningless. I'm talking about how it actually performs in benchmarks.

 

Okay. The GTX 970 is 50% faster at 1920x1200, in Techpowerup's review of the GTX 960.

 

At the same resolution, the GTX 670 was 16% faster than the GTX 660 Ti, which was 14% faster than the GTX 660, which was 11% faster than the GTX 650 Ti Boost, which was 37% faster than the GTX 650 Ti.

 

So all of these performance gaps were significantly smaller in the 600 series. There's clearly plenty of room for a card between the 970 and 960, any way you look at it.

[EZY17]

Oh man, get the R9 280 then. For $200 I'd still take an R9 280 over a GTX 960 any day, but for half the price of the worst 960 that's a no-brainer. An i5 brings out the best in an R9 280. To get a 280 for less than the best new 750 Ti price is just insane value.

By the way, I'm getting a used GTX 770 for $150 instead. I know it might not be worth the extra $50 for like 5-10 more fps but I personally like Nvidia better so I decided to with the 770.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Okay. The GTX 970 is 50% faster at 1920x1200, in Techpowerup's review of the GTX 960.

 

At the same resolution, the GTX 670 was 16% faster than the GTX 660 Ti, which was 14% faster than the GTX 660, which was 11% faster than the GTX 650 Ti Boost, which was 37% faster than the GTX 650 Ti.

 

So all of these performance gaps were significantly smaller in the 600 series. There's clearly plenty of room for a card between the 970 and 960, any way you look at it.

 

Yeah, there is a night and day difference between the 960 and 970. It's not like the 760 and 770 which had the same amount of VRAM and with about a 20% difference in framerates.

 

 

The 960 just feels like a ripoff while the 970 is pretty great value even with the gimped 0.5GB of VRAM.

[EZY17]

Yeah, there is a night and day difference between the 960 and 970. It's not like the 760 and 770 which had the same amount of VRAM and with about a 20% difference in framerates.

 

 

The 960 just feels like a ripoff while the 970 is pretty great value even with the gimped 0.5GB of VRAM.

Soooo.... the deal for the 770 I was going to get fell apart. That 280 might still be availible though. But Nvidia just announced a 960 with 4GB of RAM. I might wait for that. Any suggestions?

[Sakkura]

The GTX 960 with 4GB will almost certainly be as bad of a deal as the GTX 770 with 4GB was. Not something I would hold out for.