Refund for GTX 970

[LarsReviews]

Petition for Refund: https://www.change.org/p/nvidia-refund-for-gtx-970

 

All 970 owners must unite to fight nvidia. 

 

[TheKDub]

I think I'll just keep my Gigabyte GTX 970 G1 Gaming.

[ttam]

Mistakes happen

 

970 owners need to stop being whiny bitches. Srsly.

[LarsReviews]

I don't see what the big deal is. The specs may have been off but benchmarks don't lie? It's a great card.

 

The 970 still kicks ass, but a little cash back would be nice. 

[Interfectorem]

No.

[wyattzx]

Enough with these threads. Please? I've filed a report about this thread, though I don't know how much of a difference it will make. Less than 10% of 970 owners will be affected by the VRAM issue, as 4K monitors are not mainstream yet. Furthermore, the card is NOT designed for 4K gaming. Sure, it's a contender. The GTX 980 is the card you buy if you want to game at 4K. This is the fifth thread I've seen about the 970 TODAY. Enough. PLEASE.

 

Do you not realize just how good of a card the 970 is at $350? You are getting a PERFECT card for 1440p gaming, and it can even hold its own in a triple-1080p setup.

[Victorious Secret]

1. Nvidia can't issue refunds or exchanges. They didn't sell the cards. 

2. Gigabyte, ASUS, MSI and EVGA have to decide if they want to issue refunds and how. 

3. A petition that gets pissed on by anyone who has to deal with a online petition? Nice. Nvidia and their partners are running for the hills as we speak. 

4. Go to your retailer and return it or sell it off on your own if you feel so strongly. 

 

5. Stop being whiny bitches and flooding this forum (and other sites) with the same tired bullshit. 

[Sauron]

You bought the card for what you saw on benchmarks, not because you counted the ROPs it was supposed to have and calculated how it would perform. You thought it was worth your money for the numbers you were seeing. What changed now? I doubt it suddenly performs worse because nvidia revealed it has less of a certain metric. When you received your 970 you seemed pretty happy with it, and were satisfied with its performance. The only real problem would be the vram issue, but unless you're playing at 4k you probably won't notice it anytime soon. And if you were gaming at 4k AMD cards would have been a better choice regardless.

 

As i stated on another thread, I'm not trying to defend nvidia or to justify lieing to their customers, but I get the feeling people are blowing it out of proportion. Maybe next time you won't be as eager to buy from nvidia, but demanding a refund seems a little far fetched to me.

 

And let's be honest, it's not going to happen. Remember to pentium4 15$ intel is supposed to pay to p4 owners? That happened 10 years too late, and they had actually cheated in BENCHMARKS, not in on-paper specs. And by then nobody cared, and 15$ wouldn't have changed anything anyway.

[Sauron]

The GTX 980 is the card you buy if you want to game at 4K. 

 

I beg to differ. You can get your hands on an R9 295x2 for 50$ more, and we know how those two compare... or you could make the sensible choice and get two R9 290s, spare money, and kick a single 980's butt all day every day.

[wyattzx]

I beg to differ. You can get your hands on an R9 295x2 for 50$ more, and we know how those two compare... or you could make the sensible choice and get two R9 290s, spare money, and kick a single 980's butt all day every day.

Sir, I have been using AMD all my life. I do not even OWN an NVIDIA card. yet I know for sure that you do NOT want to go AMD here. Do you realize the TDP of the 295x2 is 480W? Do you realize just how loud and hot the 290x gets? How much power it draws? 250W. The 980 and 290x are close in performance, if not around the same. But optimization-wise, the 980 is much better. 

[Raudi_]

Sir, I have been using AMD all my life. I do not even OWN an NVIDIA card. yet I know for sure that you do NOT want to go AMD here. Do you realize the TDP of the 295x2 is 480W? Do you realize just how loud and hot the 290x gets? How much power it draws? 250W. The 980 and 290x are close in performance, if not around the same. But optimization-wise, the 980 is much better. 

Thats better then the 600W Combined TDP of my 770's I would take a 295x2 over my 770's anyday if I could.

[LarsReviews]

You bought the card for what you saw on benchmarks, not because you counted the ROPs it was supposed to have and calculated how it would perform. You thought it was worth your money for the numbers you were seeing. What changed now? I doubt it suddenly performs worse because nvidia revealed it has less of a certain metric. When you received your 970 you seemed pretty happy with it, and were satisfied with its performance. The only real problem would be the vram issue, but unless you're playing at 4k you probably won't notice it anytime soon. And if you were gaming at 4k AMD cards would have been a better choice regardless.

 

As i stated on another thread, I'm not trying to defend nvidia or to justify lieing to their customers, but I get the feeling people are blowing it out of proportion. Maybe next time you won't be as eager to buy from nvidia, but demanding a refund seems a little far fetched to me.

 

And let's be honest, it's not going to happen. Remember to pentium4 15$ intel is supposed to pay to p4 owners? That happened 10 years too late, and they had actually cheated in BENCHMARKS, not in on-paper specs. And by then nobody cared, and 15$ wouldn't have changed anything anyway.

 

Mainly I don't care about the performance, but more that companies can do such things. It is says 4 GB on the box at that speed, I want it to have that speed at 4gb. Today I tested the vram with Watch Dogs, I set it to 1440p at über ultra settings and it ran playable. I can run smoother at a lower setting, but it was fine, until the magical vram spot was reached. The game maxed the vram out at 3886MB and suddenly it was stuttering like crazy. If the vram usage dropped below that, around 3300 ish MB the game ran fine. I am at no mean a professional benchmarker, but Nvidia has people that are. If I am able to test something like that, they should be able to even validate their tests. 

 

Sir, I have been using AMD all my life. I do not even OWN an NVIDIA card. yet I know for sure that you do NOT want to go AMD here. Do you realize the TDP of the 295x2 is 480W? Do you realize just how loud and hot the 290x gets? How much power it draws? 250W. The 980 and 290x are close in performance, if not around the same. But optimization-wise, the 980 is much better. 

 

lets not turn this into a AMD Nvidia war please. 

[Sauron]

But optimization-wise, the 980 is much better. 

 

It may be so, but the price difference between a 290x and a 980 is so high even if it ate twice as much power you wouldn't get close to paying as much for the card + power consumption. The tdp of a 295x2 is adequately dissipated by the liquid cooler sure, optimization is better on the 980 (which is not suprising since it came out one year later) but the price is just stupid for what you're getting. When I replied to you I just wanted to point out that for 4k, a 980 is a bad choice. It won't even provide enough power to max out everything, which is fine if you DON'T dump almost 600$ in a gpu...

 

Mainly I don't care about the performance, but more that companies can do such things. It is says 4 GB on the box at that speed, I want it to have that speed at 4gb. Today I tested the vram with Watch Dogs, I set it to 1440p at über ultra settings and it ran playable. I can run smoother at a lower setting, but it was fine, until the magical vram spot was reached. The game maxed the vram out at 3886MB and suddenly it was stuttering like crazy. If the vram usage dropped below that, around 3300 ish MB the game ran fine. I am at no mean a professional benchmarker, but Nvidia has people that are. If I am able to test something like that, they should be able to even validate their tests. 

 

To be fair, I wouldn't be surprised if a 980 had run into the same wall. Bare in mind that not all 4096mb of vram are necessarily available for use. Think of system ram, can you actually use every single mb on it? No, not really. 3.9gb without performance issues seems like a pretty solid result to me.

 

I do agree however that corporations shouldn't be allowed to do that. The way to fix that would have been not to jump on the 970 hype train right away; it is well known that at launch new graphics cards can have issues, regardless of whether the producer lied or there simply was a bad first batch. Of course asking people to wait 6 months would be a bit excessive and would probably make nvidia fail but next time you're consiering a gpu from them it would be more than justified if you held back a bit longer or went with the competition instead. As for nvidia, bad reputations tend to stick in these cases, they'll have to make some silky smooth launches for a while if they want to rub it off.

[LarsReviews]

 

 

My other option would have been a used 780ti, but I don't the the cuda cores. Normally I don't buy things on their release data, but running on the Intel onboard GPU for a few month can make you change your mind pretty quickly. It would be interesting to know if being able to turn the 500MB off would let games run better, than allowing them to use the slow vram. I was planning on using this card longer than my 770, which I only had for 6 months. I really hope they do it better with Pascal. When was the release date? 2016? 

[Sauron]

My other option would have been a used 780ti, but I don't the the cuda cores. Normally I don't buy things on their release data, but running on the Intel onboard GPU for a few month can make you change your mind pretty quickly. It would be interesting to know if being able to turn the 500MB off would let games run better, than allowing them to use the slow vram. I was planning on using this card longer than my 770, which I only had for 6 months. I really hope they do it better with Pascal. When was the release date? 2016? 

 

No idea on the release date to be honest ^^ and it's to far off to make any accurate predictions. I feel your pain, unfortunately. You could have went for an R9 290 though that's still a good card! And compared to a 780ti really doesn't draw that much more power.

[Guest]

Sir, I have been using AMD all my life. I do not even OWN an NVIDIA card. yet I know for sure that you do NOT want to go AMD here. Do you realize the TDP of the 295x2 is 480W? Do you realize just how loud and hot the 290x gets? How much power it draws? 250W. The 980 and 290x are close in performance, if not around the same. But optimization-wise, the 980 is much better.

ENOUGH ABOUT POWER CONSUMPTION ALREADY

Such a non-argument imo.

So it outputs more heat, so what. If your PSU can handle it, you have a pair of headphones to hear your music or game sounds easily over any sound a gpu will make.... Then there is no issue.

Power consumption is not a valid argument to me anymore. It's overused, listed for the sake of listing an argument and a lot of people plain don't care unless it's very specific like a silent-at-all-times build or something along those lines.

Sorry I had to rant but I have had enough of the power consumption thing.

They could have 600 watts tdp for all I care and a animal sacrifice every day with it+ my newborn son should I ever get one, I would upgrade the PSU and go, as long as the card kicks ass.

Besides, just buy the card with a Vapor-X like cooler on it, that is actually very silent and a lot cooler.

[Whorax]

Enough with these threads. Please? I've filed a report about this thread, though I don't know how much of a difference it will make. Less than 10% of 970 owners will be affected by the VRAM issue, as 4K monitors are not mainstream yet. Furthermore, the card is NOT designed for 4K gaming. Sure, it's a contender. The GTX 980 is the card you buy if you want to game at 4K. This is the fifth thread I've seen about the 970 TODAY. Enough. PLEASE.

 

Do you not realize just how good of a card the 970 is at $350? You are getting a PERFECT card for 1440p gaming, and it can even hold its own in a triple-1080p setup.

I think my main concern is how will this card in SLI perform on a 1440p monitor for gaming, and then on a 1080p second monitor for other stuff? That's my largest worry.

[wyattzx]

ENOUGH ABOUT POWER CONSUMPTION ALREADY

Such a non-argument imo.

So it outputs more heat, so what. If your PSU can handle it, you have a pair of headphones to hear your music or game sounds easily over any sound a gpu will make.... Then there is no issue.

Power consumption is not a valid argument to me anymore. It's overused, listed for the sake of listing an argument and a lot of people plain don't care unless it's very specific like a silent-at-all-times build or something along those lines.

Sorry I had to rant but I have had enough of the power consumption thing.

They could have 600 watts tdp for all I care, I would upgrade the PSU and go, as long as the card kicks ass.

Because you do not care about power efficiency. That's fine. Just know that a lot of people do. To see cards becoming more and more efficient is a good thing!  Promoting those figures is a good thing! It means that technology progressively gets cheaper and better! I do not want my GPU to be running at 95C under load. Cards used to do that. Nowadays we have cards that get 65C under load. And they use less power, too. The cards that used to be "high end" for 1080p would cost the equivalent of cards suitable for 4k today. They would run at 95C playing games at 1080p, and these cards run at 65C playing games at 4K< and draw half as much power, if not less. 

[Guest]

Because you do not care about power efficiency. That's fine. Just know that a lot of people do. To see cards becoming more and more efficient is a good thing!  Promoting those figures is a good thing! It means that technology progressively gets cheaper and better! I do not want my GPU to be running at 95C under load. Cards used to do that. Nowadays we have cards that get 65C under load. And they use less power, too. The cards that used to be "high end" for 1080p would cost the equivalent of cards suitable for 4k today. They would run at 95C playing games at 1080p, and these cards run at 65C playing games at 4K< and draw half as much power, if not less.

I know it's a Good thing, it's certainly not bad. But I am saying it's not a good reason not to take an AMD card.

Especially with the motherfooking masters called Sapphire. Let them slap a Vapor-X-like cooler on the card and it runs silent and much colder all day.

[wyattzx]

I know it's a Good thing, it's certainly not bad. But I am saying it's not a good reason not to take an AMD card.

Especially with the motherfooking masters called Sapphire. Let them slap a Vapor-X-like cooler on the card and it runs silent and much colder all day.

 

:c My Sapphire 6870 died after two years. My brother's MSi 6870 has been running strong for four. I wish I had as pleasant-a experience with Sapphire as you did / do. 

[Guest]

:c My Sapphire 6870 died after two years. My brother's MSi 6870 has been running strong for four. I wish I had as pleasant-a experience with Sapphire as you did / do.

Vapor-X is truly something else.

My Tri-X died but this one new one is working perfectly, bad units happen. Also had a HD7870 before and it is still working to this day (sold it).

But the Vapor-X man.... The R9 290 Is completely silent with it at idle.

[wyattzx]

Vapor-X is truly something else.

My Tri-X died but this one new one is working perfectly, bad units happen. Also had a HD7870 before and it is still working to this day (sold it).

But the Vapor-X man.... The R9 290 Is completely silent with it at idle.

The STRIX cards are also completely silent at idle. c:

[Guest]

The STRIX cards are also completely silent at idle. c:

Well maybe every card is.

But the point is... Look at the Tek syndicate video about the vapor X. It's amaze balls, I would make love with it.

But then the card would get a smoke smell (look at my status update)

[ExcitezR]

I don't know about a full cash back bit a little bit back would be nice seeing as I paid for something I'm not getting right

[LarsReviews]

I don't know about a full cash back bit a little bit back would be nice seeing as I paid for something I'm not getting right

A free game would be nice too.