Best possible gaming/editing performance for $2,000

[Vitalius]

If you think he does not need an overclocked processor, why not a 3820?

 

Because he can upgrade to a custom cooler later and overclock it if he wishes.

The point of my builds is to fulfill the needs of a person and leave upgrading wide open for later. 

3930k dosen't come with a stock one but I'll decide on that later

 

I'll acualy use 16gbs of ram because I run a minecraft server

Awesome. Buy 2x8GB more later when you feel you need it.

[mvitkun]

3930k dosen't come with a stock one but I'll decide on that later

 

I'll acualy use 16gbs of ram because I run a minecraft server

you'll use 16GB of ram as in you'll prefer to buy 16GB,or you'll use it as in you'd easily fill it up?

 

I felt that you had accepted that you didn't need SLI as much as you needed a more powerful cpu,so I opted for a higher quality 650 watt power supply.

[Anult]

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1adJN

 

Replace the 7970 Ghz if you want to with a 780 and it will just creep over the 2000 dollar mark and you also have room to expand your cards for a SLI/Crossfire Setup and add additional memory too if you so wish.

[Raptus]

If you're building a PC for consumer grade work and gaming I say X79 is a waste of money. 3930k is a great CPU, but most consumer grade software and work don't require the CPU performance. I say this all the time, if you don't make money off the build get a Haswell or a LGA1155 CPU like the 3770k or 4770k. Performs great at the pricepoint. And you'll save money on the MB and so on. 

If you really want to get a 3930k and get a beast video editing rig you must remember that to get the most performance out of it you have to get excellent harddrives (WD Blacks for example) and preferably some sort of RAID array. In video editing CPU and CUDA cores are important, but people forget that if you work on video the harddrive setup has to be good so that you actually can utilize the CPU power. 

[piplupgao]

you'll use 16GB of ram as in you'll prefer to buy 16GB,or you'll use it as in you'd easily fill it up?

 

I felt that you had accepted that you didn't need SLI as much as you needed a more powerful cpu,so I opted for a higher quality 650 watt power supply.

I'll easily fill it up

but I'll probably want a power supply that can support sli for when/if I upgrade

[mvitkun]

I'll easily fill it up

but I'll probably want a power supply that can support sli for when/if I upgrade

I'd say a 750 would support it and there's a good deal on the XFX 750 watt

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005IUVYA2/?tag=pcpapi-20

80+ silver for $100

[piplupgao]

I'd say a 750 would support it and there's a good deal on the XFX 750 watt

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005IUVYA2/?tag=pcpapi-20

80+ silver for $100

I prefer modular something like the ax 860i

[mvitkun]

I prefer modular something like the ax 860i

it's semi modular.

and all semi modular means is that the cables that you most likely will use,are attached.

[piplupgao]

it's semi modular.

and all semi modular means is that the cables that you most likely will use,are attached.

well I think you can figure out what I think about wires from my signiture

 

The main reason I like the ax 860i is because of the corsair individually sleeved cables

[stevv]

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

 

CPU:  Intel Core i7-3930K 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor  ($499.99 @ Microcenter) 

CPU Cooler:  Phanteks PH-TC12DX_BL 68.5 CFM  CPU Cooler  ($54.82 @ Amazon) 

Motherboard:  Asus P9X79 LE ATX  LGA2011 Motherboard  ($233.49 @ Newegg) 

Memory:  G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($254.99 @ Newegg) 

Storage:  Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk  ($129.99 @ Adorama) 

Storage:  Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($114.99 @ Newegg) 

Video Card:  EVGA GeForce GTX 780 3GB Video Card  ($663.98 @ Newegg) 

Case:  Fractal Design Define R4 (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($84.99 @ Microcenter) 

Power Supply:  SeaSonic 650W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply  ($89.99 @ Newegg) 

Total: $2122.23

(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)

(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-06-25 16:46 EDT-0400)

 

also what software do you use for video editing?

premiere pro?

sony vegas?

after effects?

 

 

- save $ on ram: 16GB min (I see my ram hover around 13GB when using Premeire Pro 4, but not sure about sony Vegas)

- increase SSD to 256GB: It's faster than the 128GB. OS and software and a few months of usage and that's over 40-50% usage. More room for working projects.

 

 

I prefer modular something like the ax 860i

 

AX860i is pricey but awesome.  Very efficient the fan barely spinning even with around 400 watt usage.  7 Year warranty. Corsair link to monitor power.  Alternatively the AX760i, which has the same number of modular plugs, but just 100w less. 

Fan not even spinning when folding (2600K@4.8, GTX680, 2x 8800GTX)

 

 

If video editing supports multi-gpu rendering assist, then extra power would also  be a plus (in addition to more gpu power for games).

[Flynn]

It's all about quality bro. 

The "quality" of the FPS (in reference to frame latency specifically) is simply lower on AMD cards. AMD almost always wins price-performance and I can't help but believe, from what I've seen, that that is due to them compromising quality in the process.

Edit: While I admit that he will be editing a lot, gaming matters too. Best of both worlds with $2000 isn't hard.

 

So because you have a "feeling" about AMD that means they skimp on quality?  I have a "feeling" about that damn squirrel I see every morning on my way to work, doesn't mean there is anything wrong with him, it means I have a bias against squirrels.

 

Don't let your bias affect professional acclimate.  Personally I can't stand NVidia, but I will be the first to say put an NVidia card in his machine because of CUDA capability.  I absolutely HATE Window's, but I'm the first to sing the praises of Enterprise solutions for businesses.

 

AMD isn't skimping on parts if a specific card sucks, its the company that makes that card that sucks.  You can buy two different 7970's and one be superior to the other because different companies make them.  You literally have dozens of manufactures to choose from.  Personally I only buy EVGA and XFX (with XFX getting favouritism from me).

[Masfiras]

- save $ on ram: 16GB min (I see my ram hover around 13GB when using Premeire Pro 4, but not sure about sony Vegas)

- increase SSD to 256GB: It's faster than the 128GB. OS and software and a few months of usage and that's over 40-50% usage. More room for working projects.

 

 

 

AX860i is pricey but awesome.  Very efficient the fan barely spinning even with around 400 watt usage.  7 Year warranty. Corsair link to monitor power.  Alternatively the AX760i, which has the same number of modular plugs, but just 100w less. 

Fan not even spinning when folding (2600K@4.8, GTX680, 2x 8800GTX)

 

If video editing supports multi-gpu rendering assist, then extra power would also  be a plus (in addition to more gpu power for games).

 

the recommended for video rendering on a After Effects is 32gb. I say After Effects because Premiere Pro is 35% of a video editing/rendering work, the heavy part is at After Effects.

 

If you're editing a lot, you'll never store you're projects on a SSD, for a video rendering computer SSD is just for the OS and Programs even a couple of games, for media storage and projects go with a mechanical hard drive.

 

I would not go with those expensive psu, a CXseries is enough, they have some semi-modular models.

This one is a nice psu and fully modular http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207029&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

But I would still not spend too much money with a psu.

 

Premiere Pro does not take the performance of a second GPU, but After Effects does a lot but only if it's a heavy project with lot of rendering and effects.

[Masfiras]

I did this pain, thinking in future upgrades like another graphics card and more hard drives. And more memory.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

 

CPU:  Intel Core i7-3930K 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor  ($499.99 @ Microcenter) 

CPU Cooler:  Swiftech H220 55.0 CFM  Liquid CPU Cooler  ($144.99 @ NCIX US) 

Motherboard:  Gigabyte GA-X79-UP4 ATX  LGA2011 Motherboard  ($233.99 @ Amazon) 

Memory:  Corsair Vengeance 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($118.54 @ NCIX US) 

Memory:  Corsair Vengeance 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($118.54 @ NCIX US) 

Storage:  Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk  ($129.99 @ Adorama) 

Storage:  Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($124.32 @ Amazon) 

Video Card:  MSI GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card  ($399.99 @ Amazon) 

Case:  Thermaltake Urban S41 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($89.99 @ Newegg) 

Power Supply:  Corsair Builder 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply  ($79.99 @ Newegg) 

Total: $1940.33

(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)

(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-06-26 09:46 EDT-0400)

 

the only thing i'd just change is the CPU, i'd wait the new Ivy Bridge-E 6-core.

Edited June 26, 2013 by Masfiras

[Vitalius]

So because you have a "feeling" about AMD that means they skimp on quality? I have a "feeling" about that damn squirrel I see every morning on my way to work, doesn't mean there is anything wrong with him, it means I have a bias against squirrels.

Don't let your bias affect professional acclimate. Personally I can't stand NVidia, but I will be the first to say put an NVidia card in his machine because of CUDA capability. I absolutely HATE Window's, but I'm the first to sing the praises of Enterprise solutions for businesses.

AMD isn't skimping on parts if a specific card sucks, its the company that makes that card that sucks. You can buy two different 7970's and one be superior to the other because different companies make them. You literally have dozens of manufactures to choose from. Personally I only buy EVGA and XFX (with XFX getting favouritism from me).

No.

It's not just my "feeling". My feeling is backed up by benchmarking by people like Linus[anandtech.com].

Stuttering is another way to say "high frame latency".

While I admit that they are finally fixing that, as the article mentions that single GPU's aren't as bad anymore, and multi-GPU solutions are finally being fixed as well[techpowerup.com], it goes beyond any one GPU/card. It was an architecture/driver problem. Not a silicon lottery problem.

That's why I have always advocated Nvidia over AMD. CUDA being a big bonus to that.

What I meant by "quality" is simply that AMD appears to have to do more to attain less. For example, their 8 core CPU (8350) trades blows with Intel's 4 core CPU (3570). Yes, AMD pulls ahead in multi-tasking, but in a semi-brute forced type of way with the mentality of "MOAR CORES". Plot their "efficiency" (if you can call it that) comparing the work done by each core to the GHz-core ratio and, core for core, Intel is always better.

The same can somewhat be said of the GPU market as well. Though that's a harder comparison to make. The 7970 being just under the 770 (a 680 basically), although that's understandable since it's 1 generation behind, it's a flag ship single GPU vs a flag ship single GPU (680 is a 770).

The only dedicated GPU I've ever owned is a 6870 (which I hated because of VisionTek's horrible BIOS), and all I know of these cards is from watching many videos, including but not limited to Linus' on the subject, along with reading articles like the anandtech and techpowerup ones above.

[Hunter259]

My idea. http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1atH3

[YellowDragon]

It's all about quality bro. 

The "quality" of the FPS (in reference to frame latency specifically) is simply lower on AMD cards. AMD almost always wins price-performance and I can't help but believe, from what I've seen, that that is due to them compromising quality in the process.

Edit: While I admit that he will be editing a lot, gaming matters too. Best of both worlds with $2000 isn't hard.

What are you smoking? i want some, There is no measurement of "Quality FPS" FPS is FPS, if your talking about frame latency a single AMD card has less frame latency then Nvidia cards, this has been proven already. the only time frame latency is an issue is in crossfire setups and that's only because the driver fix hasn't been implemented to fix frame timings. Currently you can use Radeon Pro to fix the frame timing issue and with that software its even superior to SLI and comes within spitting distance of a single card latency, with only the occasional spike. So yeah you are paying more for less when two 7970 can be bought for a lower price then one 780.

7990 vs 690 with Radeon Pro software on the 7990

http://media.bestofmicro.com/T/C/357456/original/Detail Frame Rate 03 SLI Adaptive VSync.png

http://media.bestofmicro.com/T/H/357461/original/Detail Frame Rate Crossfire 05 DVC 40 fps.png

Finally the source, toms hardware

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7990-devil13-7970-x2,3329-11.html

[Vitalius]

What are you smoking? i want some, There is no measurement of "Quality FPS" FPS is FPS, if your talking about frame latency a single AMD card has less frame latency then Nvidia cards, this has been proven already. the only time frame latency is an issue is in crossfire setups and that's only because the driver fix hasn't been implemented to fix frame timings. Currently you can use Radeon Pro to fix the frame timing issue and with that software its even superior to SLI and comes within spitting distance of a single card latency, with only the occasional spike. So yeah you are paying more for less when two 7970 can be bought for a lower price then one 780.

7990 vs 690 with Radeon Pro software on the 7990

http://media.bestofmicro.com/T/C/357456/original/Detail Frame Rate 03 SLI Adaptive VSync.png

http://media.bestofmicro.com/T/H/357461/original/Detail Frame Rate Crossfire 05 DVC 40 fps.png

Finally the source, toms hardware

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7990-devil13-7970-x2,3329-11.html

 

 

No.

It's not just my "feeling". My feeling is backed up by benchmarking by people like Linus[anandtech.com].

Stuttering is another way to say "high frame latency".

While I admit that they are finally fixing that, as the article mentions that single GPU's aren't as bad anymore, and multi-GPU solutions are finally being fixed as well[techpowerup.com], it goes beyond any one GPU/card. It was an architecture/driver problem. Not a silicon lottery problem.

That's why I have always advocated Nvidia over AMD. CUDA being a big bonus to that.

What I meant by "quality" is simply that AMD appears to have to do more to attain less. For example, their 8 core CPU (8350) trades blows with Intel's 4 core CPU (3570). Yes, AMD pulls ahead in multi-tasking, but in a semi-brute forced type of way with the mentality of "MOAR CORES". Plot their "efficiency" (if you can call it that) comparing the work done by each core to the GHz-core ratio and, core for core, Intel is always better.

The same can somewhat be said of the GPU market as well. Though that's a harder comparison to make. The 7970 being just under the 770 (a 680 basically), although that's understandable since it's 1 generation behind, it's a flag ship single GPU vs a flag ship single GPU (680 is a 770).

The only dedicated GPU I've ever owned is a 6870 (which I hated because of VisionTek's horrible BIOS), and all I know of these cards is from watching many videos, including but not limited to Linus' on the subject, along with reading articles like the anandtech and techpowerup ones above.

[Flynn]

No.

It's not just my "feeling". My feeling is backed up by benchmarking by people like Linus[anandtech.com].

Stuttering is another way to say "high frame latency".

While I admit that they are finally fixing that, as the article mentions that single GPU's aren't as bad anymore, and multi-GPU solutions are finally being fixed as well[techpowerup.com], it goes beyond any one GPU/card. It was an architecture/driver problem. Not a silicon lottery problem.

That's why I have always advocated Nvidia over AMD. CUDA being a big bonus to that.

What I meant by "quality" is simply that AMD appears to have to do more to attain less. For example, their 8 core CPU (8350) trades blows with Intel's 4 core CPU (3570). Yes, AMD pulls ahead in multi-tasking, but in a semi-brute forced type of way with the mentality of "MOAR CORES". Plot their "efficiency" (if you can call it that) comparing the work done by each core to the GHz-core ratio and, core for core, Intel is always better.

The same can somewhat be said of the GPU market as well. Though that's a harder comparison to make. The 7970 being just under the 770 (a 680 basically), although that's understandable since it's 1 generation behind, it's a flag ship single GPU vs a flag ship single GPU (680 is a 770).

The only dedicated GPU I've ever owned is a 6870 (which I hated because of VisionTek's horrible BIOS), and all I know of these cards is from watching many videos, including but not limited to Linus' on the subject, along with reading articles like the anandtech and techpowerup ones above.

 

I love how dedicated you are to the information, but I still detect a sense of bias against AMD when you should be using other companies.  AMD is ONLY the processor on the card, that's why I said I go with XFX, because the entire board is quality.  It doesn't matter how great a proc is when the board bottlenecks it.  From my experience, (I use an NVidia card in my graphics machines, and AMD, specifically XFX, on my personal machines for gaming and development/design), my AMD cards have less overhead so long as I go with a proper card.  My XFX AMD card on my personal rig outperforms the NVidia card on the graphics rig, while the same NVidia card outperforms the Saphire AMD (same model, different manufacturer) that I put in my buddy's rig.

 

My point is you keep using AMD as a blanket statement when one AMD card does not equal another AMD card even within the same generation.  And comparing the GPUs to the CPUs doesn't work either, because the CPU isn't sitting on another manufacturer's card.  The same is said about NVidia cards.  

 

BTW, up until 3 years ago I used AMD CPU's and now I use Intel because they are WAY more efficient (IMO) than the current AMD cards.  BTW, look through Linus's stuff, in several videos (and look through hardware cunuks and toms hardware) have shown in several instances that several AMD cards pull ahead the same generation's NVidia cards.

 

Just to clarify, I don't want to get in an AMD/NVidia war.  I just want to point out that GPUs are dependent on more than just the GPU make, it's also dependent on the manufacturer of the board itself.  People keep talking about NVidia and AMD like the chip is the only part that matters, you need to pick a quality board as well (which of course means judgement of the manufacturer's track record).

[Vitalius]

[snip]

You didn't read the anandtech article apparently. 

As I said, it's not a silicon lottery (or manufacturer lottery either) problem, it was an architecture/driver problem.

Note the "was". They have been fixed (apparently), but I haven't seen any tests of it since the fix has been dispatched.

[Flynn]

You didn't read the anandtech article apparently. 

As I said, it's not a silicon lottery (or manufacturer lottery either) problem, it was an architecture/driver problem.

Note the "was". They have been fixed (apparently), but I haven't seen any tests of it since the fix has been dispatched.

 

I can read hundreds of articles going either way, along with many more that say we are going to be assimilated by the technology anyway.  Suggesting that the anandtech article is the end all on the discussion tells me that this isn't a discussion anyway, it's an argument..  So there is no point in my contributing ideas any further as it's a waste of time...

 

To OP, read more than one article and form an opinion based on the many, not just a few, let alone one.

[Vitalius]

I can read hundreds of articles going either way, along with many more that say we are going to be assimilated by the technology anyway.  Suggesting that the anandtech article is the end all on the discussion tells me that this isn't a discussion anyway, it's an argument..  So there is no point in my contributing ideas any further as it's a waste of time...

 

To OP, read more than one article and form an opinion based on the many, not just a few, let alone one.

Say what you will. Anandtech provides the facts of how the architecture works and why latency happens. I'd believe them before I believed anyone else as I consider their articles to be some of the most detailed and accurate information out there.

[Flynn]

Say what you will. Anandtech provides the facts of how the architecture works and why latency happens. I'd believe them before I believed anyone else as I consider their articles to be some of the most detailed and accurate information out there.

 

Just so you know, this is a statement of indoctrination lol.

 

I'd suggest we stop hijacking the OP's thread considering our conversation is no longer relevant to the discussion.  Take it to PM's if you wish.

[Vitalius]

Just so you know, this is a statement of indoctrination lol.

 

I'd suggest we stop hijacking the OP's thread considering our conversation is no longer relevant to the discussion.  Take it to PM's if you wish.

Agreed. Not interested in taking it to PM though. Call my statement what you will, but I don't see how favoring facts over opinion makes me indoctrinated. :P

Tis a debate for another time.