Ford GT

[shiftberry]

I really have to disagree with you guys. I'm kind of tired of this "the old thing is always better, the new thing sucks, I don't like change"-bullshit, people need to accept progress, especially americans. More cylinders don't make a better engine and the V8 can no longer keep up with modern turbocharged engines in terms of weight and efficiency. This V6 puts out at least 650hp at the crank, possibly up to 700 (we don't know yet), and torque in excess of 500lb-ft. That's some serious power. In order to keep up with that, you'd need a supercharged V8. Equals 200lbs more weight, less efficiency and a much larger engine. Did I mention this V6 also happens to sound awesome?

This is a supercar designed to light a fire under Ferrari's ass, not a car you'd show off at the drag strip. That's why Ford is trying to be innovative instead of following the american tradition of presenting brand new cars with a fuel injected 80 year old engine. If they hadn't made the mistake of giving it the "ecoboost" name, implying that it is somehow "green", most of you wouldn't be hating. Its not like we haven't had incredibly good sportscars with twin-turbo V6s before *cough*GTR*cough*.

Maybe if more americans knew that the V8 is actually a french invention, they'd stop clinging on to it so hard.

 

Yes I totally agree with engine components efficiency and we want to see a twin-turbo to fit in a modern car. That's totally correct except "more cylinders don't make a better engine" ( take a look at the Huayra V12 AMG twin-turbo, it is breathtaking), however, the body design is quite mainstream, it just lacks the originality of ford GT, if they just based the body design on a GT 40 with just few modern tweaks rather than replacing it with a FUTURISTIC body because we are converging to future that would at least bring the vintage and the nostalgia back and we would be quite happy to have the GT back kicking the European hyper or super cars out.

[ELSknutson]

Because they make the Mustang...

I meant to say Corvette

[Kyuubixchidori]

Grand Touring, The car hardly looks like the original. and a 3.5 Liter Eco boost v6 with est 600BHP.

I don't care what the care is going to be used for I am just stick of them reusing the same name over and over again.

It's like calling every mid engined Ferrari the Ferrari F40

One of the only company's that does that and makes it work is Porsche With the 911 but with that car they don't do a complete redesign every 5 years.

what are you talking about? theres been 3. theirs been like 6 different body styles of the mustang. the mustang has changed a whole lot more. ask any non car guy what a foxbody mustang is. no one will recognize it. when you see the gt, its a gt. 

[Real_PhillBert]

I meant to say Corvette

Ahh ok, now it makes sense again.

[nj4ck]

Im gonna have to disagree. If they were to call it anything other than the GT, I would be with you. But the fact that they are going to call it the GT means that they should keep a certain amount of that heritage. The Corvette falls under this as well IMHO.

Well then you're going to be really pissed off at the supposed mid-engine corvette coming up next generation  Anyways, I think they've kept plenty of the heritage. What made the GT/GT40 so great was that it was so lightweight, small and incredibly fast. I think that (and of course the gorgeous looks) is what most people associate the old GT with. Basically an american Lotus with 3 times the power. But I don't think the switch from a V8 to a V6 does a lot of damage to that image, if any. Especially if its a good V6 and people actually end up loving it, like they did with the GTR. A small but powerful V6 combined with a carbon fiber tub, aluminum subframes, tons of lightweight engineering all over and the advanced aerodynamics should make for a perfect modern version of the old GT. Lightweight, fast, minimalistic and beautiful. Besides, the whole front of the car, as well as the silhouette, looks incredibly reminiscent of the old GT, IMO.

[Gofspar]

So you like big V8 cars that the engineers cant get a lot of horse power out of? 

I you buy some built internals and a decent Paxton kit you can get 1000+ HP out of a stang.

[nj4ck]

Grand Touring, The car hardly looks like the original. and a 3.5 Liter Eco boost v6 with est 600BHP.

I don't care what the care is going to be used for I am just stick of them reusing the same name over and over again.

It's like calling every mid engined Ferrari the Ferrari F40

One of the only company's that does that and makes it work is Porsche With the 911 but with that car they don't do a complete redesign every 5 years.

Oh common, you can't tell me that face doesn't remind you of the old GT...? I think it looks like a perfect modernization of the old car. And btw, according to Ford its at least 600 hp at the wheels, not bhp. that means we could be looking at anywhere between 650-700 bhp.

[theloveablemoose]

what I love, how all the car guys hate on it for having a twin turbo v6, but praise the nissan gtr for its exact same set up....

 

edit: i have pictures from the auto show if anyone wants to see more pictures 

The skyline was known for having a twin turbo straight 6, Ford GT was known for Dat V8. It's like buying a ducky keyboard without all the lighting effects there's better options.

[nj4ck]

I you buy some built internals and a decent Paxton kit you can get 1000+ HP out of a stang.

yeah but transmissions that don't get shredded by 1000hp cost a fortune.... and usually still get shredded  :lol:

[Real_PhillBert]

Well then you're going to be really pissed off at the supposed mid-engine corvette coming up next generation  Anyways, I think they've kept plenty of the heritage. What made the GT/GT40 so great was that it was so lightweight, small and incredibly fast. I think that (and of course the gorgeous looks) is what most people associate the old GT with. Basically an american Lotus with 3 times the power. But I don't think the switch from a V8 to a V6 does a lot of damage to that image, if any. Especially if its a good V6 and people actually end up loving it, like they did with the GTR. A small but powerful V6 combined with a carbon fiber tub, aluminum subframes, tons of lightweight engineering all over and the advanced aerodynamics should make for a perfect modern version of the old GT. Lightweight, fast, minimalistic and beautiful. Besides, the whole front of the car, as well as the silhouette, looks incredibly reminiscent of the old GT, IMO.

You have brought up the GTR several times now without once mentioning that it has been a 6 cylinder car from the start.

 

Dont get my wrong I am all for fast cars, I am just against companies shitting on the achievements of the past. Same reason why I dont like that Chrysler decided to name the new Charger the Charger, when the old charger was never 4 doors... that was the Coronet.

 

And yes, if the new GM mid-engined car is in fact the new corvette, I will be upset about that too. Not because I think front engine layouts are somehow superior to mid-engine layouts but because that is not the formula for the corvette. Call it something else.

[Real_PhillBert]

yeah but transmissions that don't get shredded by 1000hp cost a fortune.... and usually still get shredded  :lol:

Transmissions to hold 1000hp arent an issue when your tires/axles/differentials cannot hold it.

[nj4ck]

"More cylinders don't make a better engine." Tell that to Ferrari and Lamborghini. Even the big Benzes and BMWs

Yeah, meanwhile you tell that to the guys at Nissan who built a 1.5L 3-cylinder that weights 88lbs and makes 400hp/300lb-ft. The future is called boost and its here to stay... at least until the gas prices get too high and we all buy Teslas.

[ELSknutson]

what are you talking about? theres been 3. theirs been like 6 different body styles of the mustang. the mustang has changed a whole lot more. ask any non car guy what a foxbody mustang is. no one will recognize it. when you see the gt, its a gt. 

Im talking About the Original 1960 GT40 and there remakes. not the mustang

The original GT 40 produced different variations form 1960 -1970's then came the GT70 , GT90, the GT from 2002-2007, Then the GTR, and now the GT again

in the cores of 55 years they have made over 20 variations of the ford GT and half of them look close to the original like the GT and the rest look like they slapped a GT badge on another car like the GT90 and the new GT.

[ELSknutson]

Ahh ok, now it makes sense again.

lol

[ELSknutson]

Yeah, meanwhile you tell that to the guys at Nissan who built a 1.5L 3-cylinder that weights 88lbs and makes 400hp/300lb-ft. The future is called boost and its here to stay... at least until the gas prices get too high and we all buy Teslas.

lol The future is called electric hybrid

[nj4ck]

You have brought up the GTR several times now without once mentioning that it has been a 6 cylinder car from the start.

 

Dont get my wrong I am all for fast cars, I am just against companies shitting on the achievements of the past. Same reason why I dont like that Chrysler decided to name the new Charger the Charger, when the old charger was never 4 doors... that was the Coronet.

 

And yes, if the new GM mid-engined car is in fact the new corvette, I will be upset about that too. Not because I think front engine layouts are somehow superior to mid-engine layouts but because that is not the formula for the corvette. Call it something else.

Ok, I get your point. I just don't think 2 cylinders less is as drastic of a change as 2 more doors or an engine in the other end of the car.

[nj4ck]

Transmissions to hold 1000hp arent an issue when your tires/axles/differentials cannot hold it.

I guess my main point is that 1000hp cars are expensive, no matter what.

[Real_PhillBert]

Ok, I get your point. I just don't think 2 cylinders less is as drastic of a change as 2 more doors or an engine in the other end of the car.

I agree it is a smaller change than adding doors or moving the engine, but in a car that is as special to auto enthusiasts as the GT40, you just shouldn't deviate on that and call it the GT. Just my humble opinion.

[Gofspar]

Transmissions to hold 1000hp arent an issue when your tires/axles/differentials cannot hold it.

Ford Racing makes a kit for difs etc.. 

[Real_PhillBert]

I guess my main point is that 1000hp cars are expensive, no matter what.

As are all halo cars.

[Victorious Secret]

ITT: Benchracers

 

I've had the honour of being around some serious horsepower. F12s, old GTs, Aventadors; you name it. I have, at least, farted in the drivers seat of it. The Ford GT (old) was special because it was just brutal. It didn't pull punches on its performance. It was visceral. The power never came on "fast", but it built up and was unrelenting. If there was EVER an actual supercar that was a racecar in disguise, it was the Ford GT. 

 

And now we have the head of the new GT program point blank saying that this GT will be more unforgiving and more geared towards track use than the old GT was, I can only assume I will get to enjoy more of the same. A car that is pretty fucking stupid for daily use because it just isn't built for your 15 minute drive to the grocery store. Its a car built to dominate the track and then some. 

I think Ford knows a hell of a lot more about what engine makes sense in their flagship supercar than you, me or really anyone not on the FGT development team. They have been running these TTV6s hard in prototype cars for YEARS. They have all the data. GTE Pro class has rules on engines too. They could've either punched the Voodoo out to 5.5L but naturally aspirated engines aren't where its at anymore. GTE allows for upwards of 4L boosted. Makes sense that they'll use a TTV6 in the segment they are racing. 

And yes, they are doing this to race. Not for armchair critics. They are taking the new FGT to compete THIS YEAR. The only reason they need to sell them is to fulfill homologation rules. 

Thats why I have faith in this car. Its being built to race and nothing else. The fact that it'll be sold for ~350k to average rich guys means nothing. Ford doesn't give a flying fuck about those guys. They care about kicking Ferraris ass on international circuits and showing everyone up once again. 

[nj4ck]

I like it, but at the same time I don't. It looks over designed, too many lines across it and unnecessary cutouts. I prefer the older GT from the early 2000s, but I like the engine for this one. A V6 twin turbo ecoboost should give ferrari, porsche and McLaren a right old fright, what with their fancy hybrid designs and all that. Also, Ecoboost, for a simple description really just stands for very efficiently designed engines, not that it's a planet saver, it just gets a lot more from its powerplant than other equivalent vehicles.

 

Show them to us please! Do you have any of the NSX? I'm more interested in that

Trust me, none of that is unnecessary. those lines are usually all there to channel air to the rear spoiler. As for the cutouts in the hood, they're the outlets for air passing through the radiator. They also create a significant amount of downforce at speed. The rest of the cutouts are mostly for cooling the brakes.

[Real_PhillBert]

Ford Racing makes a kit for difs etc.. 

I was referring to the idea of designed failure. I was not and am not saying there are not tires/axles/differentials that can hold 1000hp.

[nj4ck]

lol The future is called electric hybrid

yeah well I thought I made it clear that I meant the future of combustion engines.

[nj4ck]

ITT: Benchracers

 

I've had the honour of being around some serious horsepower. F12s, old GTs, Aventadors; you name it. I have, at least, farted in the drivers seat of it. The Ford GT (old) was special because it was just brutal. It didn't pull punches on its performance. It was visceral. The power never came on "fast", but it built up and was unrelenting. If there was EVER an actual supercar that was a racecar in disguise, it was the Ford GT. 

 

And now we have the head of the new GT program point blank saying that this GT will be more unforgiving and more geared towards track use than the old GT was, I can only assume I will get to enjoy more of the same. A car that is pretty fucking stupid for daily use because it just isn't built for your 15 minute drive to the grocery store. Its a car built to dominate the track and then some. 

I think Ford knows a hell of a lot more about what engine makes sense in their flagship supercar than you, me or really anyone not on the FGT development team. They have been running these TTV6s hard in prototype cars for YEARS. They have all the data. GTE Pro class has rules on engines too. They could've either punched the Voodoo out to 5.5L but naturally aspirated engines aren't where its at anymore. GTE allows for upwards of 4L boosted. Makes sense that they'll use a TTV6 in the segment they are racing. 

And yes, they are doing this to race. Not for armchair critics. They are taking the new FGT to compete THIS YEAR. The only reason they need to sell them is to fulfill homologation rules. 

Thats why I have faith in this car. Its being built to race and nothing else. The fact that it'll be sold for ~350k to average rich guys means nothing. Ford doesn't give a flying fuck about those guys. They care about kicking Ferraris ass on international circuits and showing everyone up once again. 

Finally, I was beginning to believe I was the only one who didn't hate the car for it's V6. Well spoken, sir. Btw, is a $350k pricetag confirmed? Last I heard was that it should stay under $300k.