Eyes seeing at 22fps and motion blur making it less choppy hehe

[leegypt]

Lee please stop digging...... You said eyes see in 22fps and they just don't film real life games porn binoculars sunglasses telescopes everything generalization or no generalization the fact of the matter is you are wrong about that.

 

 

Onto your next point.... I am aware that things in games are not real, but thank you for clearing it up anyway. I think you missed my many points I have made however....

 

Let me break it down really simply for you....(here's where it gets a little confusing it seems for you so please pay attention)

 

Motion blur in FILM = NATURAL it is a natural phenomenon which is created by the camera capturing the light. No method of blurring pixels via software is used.

 

Motion Blur in GAMES = ARTIFICIAL, A blurring EFFECT not blurring's NATURAL occurrence as a computer doesn't capture light from the games code and then display it it renders the picture pixel by pixel from what is programmed within a games code as per MB off. THEN VIA SOFTWARE EFFECT (NOT REAL LIFE) it blurs the imagines pixels in certain areas. This gives the impression of momentum. It does not however reproduce how it works in films. Therefore the two methods work differently and it is impossible for the in game effect to provide frame transitioning smoothing effect like real motion blur does in low frame rate movies!

 

I do hope you follow me.

 

Your attempt to mock my intelligence by saying water on the screen is not real to further your argument makes you look a bit silly now.

 

RIP in pepperoni 

"You said eyes see in 22fps and they just don't film real life games porn binoculars sunglasses telescopes everything generalization or no generalization the fact of the matter is you are wrong about that." I disagree, 22fps+ and things look smooth.

"Motion Blur in GAMES = ARTIFICIAL, A blurring EFFECT not blurring's NATURAL occurrence as a computer doesn't capture light from the games code and then display it..." I already told you in my last reply to not say exactly this! Reason being that games = artificial, doesn't mean that they aren't trying to replicate nature

"...a computer doesn't capture light from the games code and then display it..." no, you're right! nor does it have a lens, but it still emulates lens flare as an attempt to appear natural. Not having a lens means that it can't get wet if you go in the water (in game) either, but it still tries to emulate in an attempt to appear natural. Same is the case with motion blur; it can't be caused by a lens capturing light, but it attempts to emulate it to appear natural.

[leegypt]

Then just stop discussing it with him. If he wants to stay ignorant, so be it.

 

You could have also actually provided him evidence or sources behind your statements, rather than just posting it here to prove him wrong.

I've provided him with evidence to that effect, I don't know what the rules are on this forum regarding linking to other websites so I haven't put any links to the evidence on here, but if you read what I've put in my replies, you will see that I'm right.

[MumsALizard]

Then just stop discussing it with him. If he wants to stay ignorant, so be it.

 

You could have also actually provided him evidence or sources behind your statements, rather than just posting it here to prove him wrong.

 

To be fair I think I'm going to do that, its a lost cause. Before I brought him to the forum I linked him Linus video on the matter and still no luck. So I thought someone knowledgeable could help. Instead I was met by memes which is still pretty funny

 

Lee you sent me a forum link that as a whole said motion blur is rubbish and one misinformed guy said it was cool.. this does not back up you 'Facts'.

 

Your arguments are flawed on too many levels to even warrant a response now...

 

Goodnight........

[leegypt]

he didn't say it was cool, he said consoles use it to smooth out their 30fps, which is right, and it's also what I've been saying this whole time.

 

That wasn't the only link I sent you anyway.

 

The clue is in the name really; motion blur, MOTION blur, blur of things that are in motion, blur applied to objects in motion to make motion appear smoother.

[connorpiper]

"They try to make higher frame rates with MB"

 

MB is the acronym for Megabytes. (Commonly)

 

This person should just go back to console land. Or even mobile land.

 

Also, our eyes are not shit. 

[Nexxus]

[GrimNeo]

he didn't say it was cool, he said consoles use it to smooth out their 30fps, which is right, and it's also what I've been saying this whole time.

 

That wasn't the only link I sent you anyway.

 

The clue is in the name really; motion blur, MOTION blur, blur of things that are in motion, blur applied to objects in motion to make motion appear smoother.

I think what you mean is motion blur for TVs. Where the tv will use interpolation to put in the same frame a multiple number of times to make the image smooth. For example if you pay for a tv that had 240 true motion or whatever it is called. The actual source is at 24fps like a blu ray movie. What the TV does is input those images multiple times to make it smooth. So a 240 true motion will do 240/24 = 10. That means the same image is presented 10 times in that second to make it smooth. You also said that mums monitor is not real 120Hz. This is not true. Monitors have a native 120Hz meaning the monitor will do 120fps unlike TVs where they are limited by HDMI for example. Games run at high frame rates depending on your gpu. So if your game runs at a constant 120fps and your monitor is 120Hz then you will see every frame rate. G-sync and freesync will help. You also said your eyes see 22-23 fps which is also not true. Eyes don't see in fps. Honestly I think your just confused. I will not argue with you because there is no reason for it.

[leegypt]

I never said that 120Hz monitors aren't true 120Hz. I know full well what they are, and why they're better. Please don't put words in my mouth that I've never said to make me look wrong.

 

I also know the difference between 120Hz monitors and TVs that are >60Hz, though this doesn't necessarily apply to 3D TVs which use active 3D as active 3D requires 120Hz (60 per eye).

 

The points I've been making are only:

 

1) Motion blur in games is primarily used to make 30fps console games appear smoother.

 

 

2) higher generates are always far better.

[Ialyrn]

Jeez, I was just reading a few threads with my morning coffee; and I end up seeing this diatribe.

@MumsALizard  For starters, your thread title is misleading. It should be entitled "I make fun of people on the internet, for I am King(or Queen) Douchbag; and I know everything and am always right about everything". Secondly, posting up your conversation in public with someone I would assume is your friend? Or at the least an online gaming buddy? Either way, It is just a plain dick move. It is as though you want to be an internet bad ass or something, and so you decided to ridicule someone in a public forum to make yourself seem more important, and make yourself look smarter than you actually are. Seriously, are you looking for a pat on the back from us all on here? or for someone to drop to their knees and open wide? If you ask me, I think you dropped the soap on this one. Still, if your steam friend doesn't want to listen to you over something, then just leave them to their own devices. You can not make someone listen to you, and you can not force them to share your point of view. Instead of doing that however, you had to show yourself off and flex. All you have done though, is show everyone how two faced you can be.

@leegypt  I think you should let this go, as you are just helping to perpetuate a cycle with regards to this topic. End of the day though you have your views on this, and everyone else has theirs. Doesn't ultimately matter who is right or wrong. I would say to just let this thread die.

 


 

[MumsALizard]

Are you serious…?

Your whole argument here is hilarious! Let’s start by giving you a round of applause for coming into this thread and contributing absolutely nothing to what this thread is about.

Secondly let’s take some time to actually delve into what it is you have decided to write.

Your first point you have tried to make is that “I am a King(or Queen) Douchbag” because I “make fun of people on the internet” and “I know everything and am always right about everything". Now this in itself is a little bit silly as your whole post to me is trying to belittle me, so what exactly quantifies being a “King douchebag” because by your logic I think you have just labelled yourself as one?

You then go onto me being an “internet bad ass” because I “ridicule someone in a public forum to make yourself seem more important” is that not what you are attempting to do in your post? You don’t even write an opinion or any facts or anything of use at all really your post is merely an attempt to show you are above an argument about tech and by your almighty reckoning it is petty.

You also have the audacity to call me two faced, I would like you to point out where exactly it is I have been two faced? Also I think you should note, your whole post is two faced for the for mentioned reasons.

All this is irrelevant however as it nothing to do with what we were arguing about. So let’s try and ascertain what little opinion and tech knowledge you have tried to share on this thread.

You say “you can not force them to share your point of view” and “End of the day though you have your views on this, and everyone else has theirs. Doesn't ultimately matter who is right or wrong”

This is a technical debate, you talk about having conflicting views and it does not matter who is right or wrong. That is just idiotic and with that logic you could get a job at Ubisoft. It’s like arguing that Anti-Aliasing’s function within games is to increase FPS, and because that is your view you are no more wrong than the people who actually know what it is used for…

Just close this thread already don’t need any more hyped up kids and there hypocritical post trying to belittle me for belittling someone. Jesus. Started as a little fun poking some people need to get off their high horse.

If you do want to post here please try and contribute something about the debate or the technology in discussion. All the info Lee needs is in Linus’ video on resolution anyway so I think this should be now closed.

Thank you.

[Nup]

Haha the last thing you said made me laugh  

 good stuff, hope this sorts thing out for him. 

[ManOfDisguise]

Yall high framerate people who think you are smooth(pun intended) as fk suck.

I have my eyes finetuned to 24fps for that cinematic experience. Then I just add in some motion blur and lens flare and im set so suck it!

Hehe

[Ialyrn]

@MumsALizard We both know you didn't start this thread up to discuss the points of motion blur, as you clearly intended to use it as a way to browbeat your point across to leegypt. If your intended use was to discuss the points of motion blur, then you wouldn't have shown screen caps of your private conversation with him, you wouldn't have even named names. And even though you are right to a point in the fact he is wrong over the use of motion blur in video games, you have gone about it in completely the wrong way. As it is we all interpret the things we see in different ways, and even though there are right and wrong answers for practically everything in the world; it isn't always a cut and dry thing. And we form our opinions based of the information we gather. people can have very similar opinions over something, but they will never be a 100% match. Even when it comes to things that are known to be facts, we still form our own opinions based upon that information. I could give you a run down of how a food manufacturing process works within a food factory, give you all the little details and so on, and you would still have a different view to it than me.

Anyway, the main use of motion blur within gaming however, is for a multitude of reasons. These can be from creating a sense of speed and urgency, to smoothing certain aspects of the visuals (and I dont mean in regards to making 30fps feel like a higher FPS), to simulating how the human eye interprets something in motion, or how a camera captures something in motion. It never really works out like that though, and the vast majority of pc gamers will turn motion blur off if the option is available to do so. I know I turn it off, as I can not stand artificial motion blur. I even turn motion effects and so on off in games that feature that specific option, this option can often include things like camera shake; which again feels unnatural to most people.

As for me been two faced, that is a little hard within the context of this situation; since I was honest and upfront with my opinion of yourself and this ridiculous thread. And even though I was very bitchy in that post, that is just how I am first thing in the morning. I will happily accept that flaw in my personality, but you should be aware that you have come across as an atypical bully. I have had my dealings with bullies over the years for one reason or another, and they all get as defensive as you did when challenged over their behaviour and attitude. I also do not like seeing someone getting picked on, and all for the fact they have learnt flawed information from somewhere. It is quite pathetic in all honesty. And even though you clearly can not see it, you very much have been two faced with leegypt in the process of your discussion. You may have been debating with him the finer points of motion blur in private, but then you went behind his back to gather opinions and a pat on the back for been mostly correct. Fair enough you did eventually point him towards this thread, but that was only after you felt you could make him feel dumb after a few responses agreeing with you. And that is what makes you two faced within this situation.
We all have information that is flawed to some degree, and just as there will be things I can be wrong about, same can be said for you or anybody. Even a genius can have things upside down, and it is always best to educate someone over pointing a finger and basically saying "retard" at them as quietly as possible so they cant hear you. If you fail to see that you handled things badly when you started this thread, then I feel sorry for anybody who calls you a friend. Because with a friend like you, they certainly dont need enemy's. But I will admit my last post to you was a little over the top, and I could have gotten my point across in a much kinder way.

p.s I also find it funny that you liked my last post to you, considering you seem to take a fairly big issue with its content. Usually people only "like" a post when they agree with its content, the same as liking a youtube video, or someones facebook or twitter status. But liking a post you disagree with, well that is a new one on me.

[MumsALizard]

You again? Really?...

Ok so I made this thread to bully someone I know? Perhaps you should go back and reread this thread. You will see I uploaded a picture as a bit of a laugh at someone for saying something rather silly and commonly joked about in the gaming industry. I mean eyes seeing in 22FPS is a funny joke! And seeing someone swear blind to your face that it is in fact the truth is funny? If it isn’t maybe you should take a look at your life?

You mention I am right to a point? Again this is a discussion about that something that truly is black and white. I am not right to a point, I am right in its entirety. I am aware there are grey areas in the world, but thank you for pointing it out anyway. This however is not opinion it does not have a grey area. I did allude to this in my previous post to you I guess you must have missed that?

You then to go on to talk about how people’s opinions mismatch sometimes. I do not know why you have chosen to talk/ramble about this since this has nothing to do with the discussion either? “I could give you a run down of how a food manufacturing process works within a food factory, give you all the little details and so on, and you would still have a different view to it than me.” Apart from this being completely unrelated and quite frankly a little stupid I’d still like to explore your thought process on this. If you told me a knife was used within the process to chop meat, could that also mean that it is used to cook the meat too if that is my opinion on the knifes purpose. As that is what we are discussing hear a tool, in this case motion blurs, purpose.

Please explain further how people’s opinions can dictate the use of a tool? Particularly when a tool is used to perform an impossible function. (If you need a hand understanding why I am asking you this please ask yourself how a fake motion blur effect can smooth 30fps so it is perceived like a film with real light captured motion blur).

Thank you also for explaining the purpose of motion blur in games to me? I guess that’s in a vain effort to demonstrate so technical nouse? I’m afraid you yet again have completely missed the point of this thread and failed to contribute. For future reference the argument is how both motion blur in films and games are different and in games it cannot increase the perceived speed of the updates of the image received by our eyes.

You also put down your rude comments down to you being a bitch in the morning? Does this excuse your personality and not mine? This makes me a bully and alleviates you of any responsibility? At least I have the bottle to not put down my bad attitude to how I am in the morning like a little girl. But I actually was having a little fun at a friend’s expense. Does this make me a monster? I was a little sour after being told I was a liar with a high level of sarcasm. Does this warrant you a complete stranger writing me off as bully? I think the reverse is in fact the case…

Do you have something you wish to share with us to ease your rage at something that doesn’t really include you? Are you over compensating and asserting your authority for any suppressed reasons? Maybe we could help? I hope you’re out bursts of pure tripe at me are helping?

Let’s continue anyhow..

I am defensive as you jumped on my back when I have listed fact after fact to educate someone both in private discussion and on the thread only to be called a liar and now a bully…

If you bothered to read my posts you would see if they are slightly sharp in response to Legypts Sarcasm. Also I am two faced under the assumption that I did this behind his back and didn’t discuss it at length in a private chat too? Well unfortunately, I did do exactly that. So please before pointing the finger make sure you know the facts? Assumptions can make you look a bit foolish.

I merely tried to educate someone with the help of the forum and someone like you has gotten a little over sensitive and now have turned this thread into a shit flinging contest the facts are though your arguments have no back bone?

So please, Leave this now before you lose all dignity you are making yourself look a fool.

P.S I liked your comment because it was so outrageous it made me chuckle. (It’s like laughing, if you know what that is?)

[Ialyrn]

lol, now that is a funny post.

[typographie]

you dont mind if upload a screenshot of this transcript to a tech forum do you?

 

My favorite part is that you took the screenshot before he answered.

 

The guy's just uneducated on the matter. Doesn't seem like he's even got much conviction in his own belief, as he's perfectly willing to give up ground as soon as you argue a little. On a tech forum we live and breathe this stuff, but it should come as no surprise that most people don't care, don't appreciate what it means to us, and/or don't catch the news when some big developer gaffes on a framerate comment.

[GrimNeo]

I never said that 120Hz monitors aren't true 120Hz. I know full well what they are, and why they're better. Please don't put words in my mouth that I've never said to make me look wrong.

 

I also know the difference between 120Hz monitors and TVs that are >60Hz, though this doesn't necessarily apply to 3D TVs which use active 3D as active 3D requires 120Hz (60 per eye).

 

The points I've been making are only:

 

1) Motion blur in games is primarily used to make 30fps console games appear smoother.

 

 

2) higher generates are always far better.

But our eyes only see 22-23 fps so why even bother according to you and don't say its generalizing bs. Can't tell if you're a troll or just a really confused person.