Paul likes Megadeth!

[MegaDave91]

 

 

 

4:09 for the part Paul was listening to, but you should listen to the whole song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhbHYFP8hgg

[smjpl]

I have no love for metal music. Heavy and loud for the sake of being heavy and loud does nothing for me. The heaviest I would like would be Gn'R. I like a couple of metalica songs but usually the lighter songs like for whom the bells toll. half the internet seems to be a metal head these days. The classics are in the minority

[MegaDave91]

I have no love for metal music. Heavy and loud for the sake of being heavy and loud does nothing for me. The heaviest I would like would be Gn'R. I like a couple of metalica songs but usually the lighter songs like for whom the bells toll. half the internet seems to be a metal head these days. The classics are in the minority

I have my limits too. I cannot stand Metal with cookie monster vocals or yelling. Megadeth is pretty tasteful in my opinion, and you can actually understand the lyrics. Slayer, on the other hand, is absolutely terrible.

[theodoro]

Everybody's reviewing these headphones... I want to test them... and mod them and test them again.... and mod them again lol

[Volbet]

You sometimes get suprised. Paul don't strike me as a metal fan.

 

I have no love for metal music. Heavy and loud for the sake of being heavy and loud does nothing for me. The heaviest I would like would be Gn'R. I like a couple of metalica songs but usually the lighter songs like for whom the bells toll. half the internet seems to be a metal head these days. The classics are in the minority

You can like metal and enjoy the classics at the same time.

I'm a fan of music, not of metal specifically.

I will also disagree with @MegaDave91

Cookie monster vocals are awesome. It's just a diiferent way of organizing the vocal instrument. If it fits with the music it's a very cool effect.

[LukaP]

You sometimes get suprised. Paul don't strike me as a metal fan.

 

You can like metal and enjoy the classics at the same time.

I'm a fan of music, not of metal specifically.

I will also disagree with @MegaDave91

Cookie monster vocals are awesome. It's just a diiferent way of organizing the vocal instrument. If it fits with the music it's a very cool effect.

Agree with the liking all music. But. if the vocals are so growly that you dont hear the lyrics, and songs become a mush of distorted guitar with a wah on top, being followed by the recognisable ghhghghlgghgrrghg all over, that is not music, thta is me farting

[tobben]

nice, not a giant megadeth fan, but my favorite song from them has to be symphony of destruction. 

 

it's just so fun to listen to.

[Volbet]

Agree with the liking all music. But. if the vocals are so growly that you dont hear the lyrics, and songs become a mush of distorted guitar with a wah on top, being followed by the recognisable ghhghghlgghgrrghg all over, that is not music, thta is me farting

At that point the vocals become part of the instruments. Hence why some bands don't even have lyrics.

For some bands it is also cultural stand. By being unintelligible, they are decontructing what we can consider music, and thereby what can be considered art. 

Though this is more common in grindcore bands, than in extreme metal bands.

What i can't understand is why people consider opera high art, while groweling is considered a lesser form of exprenssion.

Both are pretty unintelligible, one becasue of orchestration of the vocals, the other because of growling. They are both changed to fit the music they accompany.

 

It's also about practice. I can understand most growled vocals just fine. 

[tobben]

Agree with the liking all music. But. if the vocals are so growly that you dont hear the lyrics, and songs become a mush of distorted guitar with a wah on top, being followed by the recognisable ghhghghlgghgrrghg all over, that is not music, thta is me farting

I have no love for metal music. Heavy and loud for the sake of being heavy and loud does nothing for me. The heaviest I would like would be Gn'R. I like a couple of metalica songs but usually the lighter songs like for whom the bells toll. half the internet seems to be a metal head these days. The classics are in the minority 

There are many different types of metal, metal doesn't have to be extreme.

Although it's mostly just a matter of what you are used to. What you can't

make sense out of, someone else likely can. 

[LukaP]

At that point the vocals become part of the instruments. Hence why some bands don't even have lyrics.

https://www.youtube.com/w

For some bands it is also cultural stand. By being unintelligible, they are decontructing what we can consider music, and thereby what can be considered art. 

Though this is more common in grindcore bands, than in extreme metal bands.

What i can't understand is why people consider opera high art, while groweling is considered a lesser form of exprenssion.

Both are pretty unintelligible, one becasue of orchestration of the vocals, the other because of growling. They are both changed to fit the music they accompany.

 

It's also about practice. I can understand most growled vocals just fine. 

 

 

There are many different types of metal, metal doesn't have to be extreme.

Although it's mostly just a matter of what you are used to. What you can't

make sense out of, someone else likely can.

i give you, porngrind... tell me honestly, that this is a form of expression, and that it is good music. this is objectively shit. the guitar is worse than those "punk" bands that just bash a powercord with no rythm, and the vocals are like i would continuosly fart into a mic, add some overdrive and call it a day

[Volbet]

i give you, porngrind... tell me honestly, that this is a form of expression, and that it is good music. this is objectively shit. the guitar is worse than those "punk" bands that just bash a powercord with no rythm, and the vocals are like i would continuosly fart into a mic, add some overdrive and call it a day

Without going into a debate about the nature of art (which this thread isn't suited for)

 

You can't really state that it's "objectively shit". Art is a very subjective form of expression 

While it might not convey a message in it's lyrics, it can in its existence. It comment on what art is by decontructing it. It's comparable to what the dada movement did in the 1920s. 

I'm not a big fan of Torsofuck, so they are hard to defend.

 

And if we are picky, Torsofuck isn't porngrind. They were a death metal / goregrind band

Porngrind is much slower and uses a different vocal style.

[LukaP]

@Volbet i really dont want to go into a debate about art and expression right now, because that in its own cant be debated objectively  

 

but musically, you cant say torsofuck is anything but bad.

[tobben]

i give you, porngrind... tell me honestly, that this is a form of expression, and that it is good music. this is objectively shit. the guitar is worse than those "punk" bands that just bash a powercord with no rythm, and the vocals are like i would continuosly fart into a mic, add some overdrive and call it a day

that doesn't suit my taste in music at all, so yeah that might be true.

But i don't see what you are getting at in relation to my post,

it just goes back to what i said about there being different types

of metal. 

 

as for my other point, i just meant that if you are used to very

relaxing music, some feisty metal might sound like an utter

mess to you, while it is in perfect harmony to someone used

to it, it could even be boring.

 

To me music should be systematic in some shape of form, 

if it's just utter chaos and no recognisability, well yeah.

That's bad in my opinion. But again, that depends on what

you are acclimated to.

[LukaP]

that doesn't suit my taste in music at all, so yeah that might be true.

But i don't see what you are getting at in relation to my post,

it just goes back to what i said about there being different types

of metal. 

 

as for my other point, i just meant that if you are used to very

relaxing music, some feisty metal might sound like an utter

mess to you, while it is in perfect harmony to someone used

to it, it could even be boring.

 

To me music should be systematic in some shape of form, 

if it's just utter chaos and no recognisability, well yeah.

That's bad in my opinion. But again, that depends on what

you are acclimated to.

im not someone who isnt used to heavy music, in fact, i listen to alot of stuff most people would prefer did not exist. but objectively, there is bad metal

[tobben]

im not someone who isnt used to heavy music, in fact, i listen to alot of stuff most people would prefer did not exist. but objectively, there is bad metal

I was about to say that this conversation has branched into something far 

from the origin of the discussion. But that isn't true, as i now see that i replied

to the wrong person in my first comment

 

I thought you guys already agreed that it is purely subjective and not worth

discussing. Music is a form of art and expression. It can be objectively

bad from certain viewpoints, but in the end it's subjective. So it's not

objectively bad in it's entirety. 

 

it's really just a matter of how our brain decides to interpret the mess,

some people cannot recognize music at all.

[Guest Kloaked]

I have no love for metal music. Heavy and loud for the sake of being heavy and loud does nothing for me. The heaviest I would like would be Gn'R. I like a couple of metalica songs but usually the lighter songs like for whom the bells toll. half the internet seems to be a metal head these days. The classics are in the minority

Actually, bands don't play loud for the sake of playing loud. A lot of bands have well thought out music if you pay attention. I see a crap ton of people who are "all about the classics" make ignorant remarks about Animals As Leaders. Saying things like it's just some dude playing random riffs as fast as he can, which is not true at all.

Also, half the internet doesn't exist on tech-related forums that you likely mostly visit.

[Misanthrope]

For some bands it is also cultural stand. By being unintelligible, they are decontructing what we can consider music, and thereby what can be considered art. 

Though this is more common in grindcore bands, than in extreme metal bands

 

Metal bands play with those notions too, some even intentionally so exploring otherwise more traditional styles by applying dissonance in their harmony (not just distortion) so it would sound more eerie and uneasy:

 

[Misanthrope]

Actually, bands don't play loud for the sake of playing loud. A lot of bands have well thought out music if you pay attention. I see a crap ton of people who are "all about the classics" make ignorant remarks about Animals As Leaders. Saying things like it's just some dude playing random riffs as fast as he can, which is not true at all.

Also, half the internet doesn't exist on tech-related forums that you likely mostly visit.

 

Abso-fucking-lutely: Tosin Abasi is actually an incredible gifted musician and he has purpose for all of his notes, he just happens to be astonishingly talented on his technical skills as well but he doesn't do anything random he has very clear melodic and harmonic themes.

[Volbet]

Metal bands play with those notions too, some even intentionally so exploring otherwise more traditional styles by applying dissonance in their harmony (not just distortion) so it would sound more eerie and uneasy:

My words are escaping me at this moment, so bear with me.

 

My comment was more aimed at music as a concept, rather than at specific genres.

My point was that the artistic value of certain grindcore bands probably lie in the mear existence of their music, rather than the muisic itself.

The existence of Anal Cunt makes one question what music really is. Is Anal Cunt and Igor Stravinsky equal in the realm of art? It's a very meta way of looking at things. It's basically the punk philosophy taken to an extreme.

 

But I do agree with you. Some metal bands are really good at asking: "What do a genre mean?"

What do we understand with folk, classical or jazz?

While all these bands are certainly metal, they play around with genres, making us question what a genre actually is.

 

 

@Volbet i really dont want to go into a debate about art and expression right now, because that in its own cant be debated objectively

 

but musically, you cant say torsofuck is anything but bad.

Depends on how you look at Torsofuck, but as musicians, they aren't great.

But you can't judge a whole subgenre on a single band. Just becuase Torsofuck aren't great, it doesn't take away from the skill set of Dying Fetus or Necrophagist.

[LukaP]

Depends on how you look at Torsofuck, but as musicians, they aren't great.

But you can't judge a whole subgenre on a single band. Just becuase Torsofuck aren't great, it doesn't take away from the skill set of Dying Fetus or Necrophagist.

Yeah i mean musically, he is really not good.

 

i never bashed a subgenre i only cant stand certain artist, and torsofuck is pretty much a prime example of it.

[Guest]

there are  trillions of metal bands and songs who do not have growl vocals. for example
 

Most of NWOBHM (New Wave Of British Heavy Metal like SAXON and Iron Maiden) have clear vocals and many more  

[Misanthrope]

My words are escaping me at this moment, so bear with me.

 

My comment was more aimed at music as a concept, rather than at specific genres.

My point was that the artistic value of certain grindcore bands probably lie in the mear existence of their music, rather than the muisic itself.

The existence of Anal Cunt makes one question what music really is. Is Anal Cunt and Igor Stravinsky equal in the realm of art? It's a very meta way of looking at things. It's basically the punk philosophy taken to an extreme.

 

But I do agree with you. Some metal bands are really good at asking: "What do a genre mean?"

What do we understand with folk, classical or jazz?

While all these bands are certainly metal, they play around with genres, making us question what a genre actually is.

Ok I think I understand what you mean, and there's even more extreme music in the sense that is more extremely not conventional music at all like Merzbow.

 

 

And good thing you brought up Jazz cause the same label used to consider what people would classify as extremely old fashion music also houses Free Jazz and other forms of extreme non-music music so to speak, same as with other contemporary forms of art on other mediums and such.

[TheBostonTickler]

I'm the only one here who was old enough to hear the name Megadeath and get nostalgic, sad. I guess it's just another sign I should be doing yard-work or preparing my tax statements for this years returns instead of killing time on the internet. All I know is, those tax statements better be prepared for a Symphony of Destruction!

[Misanthrope]

I'm the only one here who was old enough to hear the name Megadeath and get nostalgic, sad. I guess it's just another sign I should be doing yard-work or preparing my tax statements for this years returns instead of killing time on the internet. All I know is, those tax statements better be prepared for a Symphony of Destruction!

 

Nope, I was listening to those records ever since elementary school in the early 90s and such, good times.

[MegaDave91]

I've been listening to them for 10 years now. I must listen to them nearly everyday.