Bottle Necking?

[OneManArmy]

Hello and thank you to everyone one reading this question, I was wondering If my FX6100 6-core CPU will bottle neck a GTX970.

[nikolaizombie1]

Somewhat but negligible at best

 

Edit: if your gaming maybe but if your rendering not at all

[MattWakey]

Yes

[Enderman]

Yeah but not too much, maybe 5-10% less performance than an i5.

[i_build_nanosuits]

these guys have absolutely no idea what they are talking about i had a piledriver based FX-8320 running at 4.6ghz which represent a CPU that is at the very least 30 to 40% better at gaming than the FX-6100 and STILL it was bottlenecking my GTX 780 in most games. It will bottleneck like crazy all over the place for sure.

[rmac52]

A FX 6100 is still a perfectly capable CPU.

[i_build_nanosuits]

A FX 6100 is still a perfectly capable CPU.

not to pair with a GPU such as a GTX 970 by any means.

[rmac52]

these guys have absolutely no idea what they are talking about i had a piledriver based FX-8320 running at 4.6ghz which represent a CPU that is at the very least 30 to 40% better at gaming than the FX-6100 and STILL it was bottlenecking my GTX 780 in most games. It will bottleneck like crazy all over the place for sure.

 Bull.

There is a negligible difference in games between an 8320 and an i7 4770k.

[i_build_nanosuits]

 Bull.

There is a negligible difference in games between an 8320 and an i7 4770k.

haha i owned both chips trust me that is not true at all.

The FX is great for mutli-threaded applications (video rendering, encoding...) but for gaming his slow cores really hurt the performance when paired with high-end GPU's.

 

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-fx-8370e-cpu,3929.html

 

To put it nicely, the FX-8370 is a true middle-of-the-road CPU. Using it only makes sense as long as the graphics card you choose comes from a similar performance segment.

Depending on the game in question, AMD’s new processor has the potential to keep you happy around the AMD Radeon R9 270X/285 or Nvidia GeForce GTX 760 or 660 Ti level.

A higher- or even high-end graphics card doesn’t make sense, as pairing it with AMD's FX-8370 simply limits the card's potential.

[Faa]

 Bull.

There is a negligible difference in games between an 8320 and an i7 4770k.

Can we stop lying? You've seen enough benchmarks proving the opposite of this false claim.

[Baking Soda]

The FX-6100 will be fine with the 970. 

Really, to bottleneck a system, pair a Pentium 4 without H/T with a 980. That's a bottleneck. 

[i_build_nanosuits]

The FX-6100 will be fine with the 970. 

Really, to bottleneck a system, pair a Pentium 4 without H/T with a 980. That's a bottleneck. 

A CPU bottleneck is when your 400$ GPU is not fully loaded when playing games...and the GTX 970 will most of the time be running under 80% usage with an FX CPU...unfortunately.

[alphabeta]

I saw the performance my friend's 6100 & 6300 both with R9 270 and I can tell you YES THERE WILL BE BOTTLENECK but by how much I can't be very accurate but something around 10~15%

[Majestic]

100% Yes.

 

Also;

Why, after so many years and countless reviews and people pointing it out, is there still so much denial around this subject. WHY are you people so uninformed, keen to defend a manufacturer releasing poor products or flatout lying to your fellow forum-members for seemingly no other reason than justifying your own purchase or being quasi-"progressive". An FX-6100 is a 3.3ghz ZAMBEZi. I will guarantee you, unless you're running 4K 16xMSAA and throttling the card to a halt (like Teksyndicate) you will have severe bottlenecking. Especially if you try to run it over a 60fps target.

 

http://anandtech.com/bench/product/434?vs=1260

 

Look at the scores from the 2x770, which will not be far off from the results with a 970. It's with the 3.6ghz 8-core, but i can't find any good benchmark with the 6100 and a modern graphics card(s).

Performance limitations caused by the CPU in modern titles range from 15% to 50% in 1080p single player. Imagine what will happen in 4 threaded or less titles, multiplayer titles or more CPU intensive titles running at higher framerates. You might as well just grab a card that's 50% slower in the first place. Honestly, if you want to grab a FX-6300 over something like an i3, you really don't want to pair it with anything higher than a R9-270X.

 

Stop this endless debate and start being objective...and quit this unconditional brand-bias for no good reason. You're also making people create accounts and have a laugh everytime they make one of these topics. Because the discussion is somehow infinite. And while we're at it, stop using 1xGPU single player CPU benchmarks ran at 1080p as evidence that there is no difference. It's like determining the best supercar on a dirt road. You can say it doesn't matter much in scenario A or B, and can determine that's good enough for you. But don't generalise it any further than that. Modern titles are indeed showing a decreased need for CPU performance. Especially games like Tomb Raider there is nearly no difference between a G1820 and a 5960x. But that doesn't give you the right to call them equal in any way.

 

Subjective personal note; The reason is not the shift towards GPU or better coding. It's because a decreased effort by developers to create engaging and interesting titles that have no intelligence to them. There simply is nothing to calculate, it's just an on-rail setpiece. When you take an example with..F.E. Arena Commander... That's a whole different ballgame.

[XiaoPineApple]

sad even the fx8370e lose almost 50% perfomance when paired up higher end GPU  in dirt3 compare to i7-4790k,

[OneManArmy]

would it be okay to do it until I get a better gpu?

[i_build_nanosuits]

would it be okay to do it until I get a better gpu?

you mean a better CPU?

yes it's still worth getting the 970...you'll still be able to turn up the graphics demanding settings and play with high anti aliasing...youll get better average framerate as well and if you play mostly single player games you might actually get pretty good results.

[OneManArmy]

yeah, haha sorry. Just woke up. and thanks, I tihnk i'll get the 970 then a better AM3/AM3+ socket CPU.

[i_build_nanosuits]

yeah, haha sorry. Just woke up. and thanks, I tihnk i'll get the 970 then a better AM3/AM3+ socket CPU.

no no, AMD has nothing to offer at this point in time that is worth your time/money...if you want something that won't bottleneck the GTX 970 you'd have to go intel...something like this for example will play games much better...and sell your AMD stuff online.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4440 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($179.99 @ Newegg)

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H81M-H Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($41.34 @ Newegg)

Total: $221.33

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

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you can re-use your RAM...all you need is 8GB DDR3.

 

This is a little more expensive but is worth it IMHO, slightly faster CPU and better motherboard on intel's latest chipset...more features...just better overall:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4590 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($189.99 @ Newegg)

Motherboard: ASRock H97M PRO4 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($64.99 @ Newegg)

Total: $254.98

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

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[OneManArmy]

what about a FX9590? or yeah, i'll switch to Intel.

[harrynowl]

what about a FX9590?

no

[i_build_nanosuits]

what about a FX9590? or yeah, i'll switch to Intel.

no, this is just an overclocked amd cpu which is not much better than your 6100 would be if youd highly overclock in regards to gaming...all these chips cant compete with a core i5 for gaming...every amd cpu bottleneck mid to high range graphics cards in many games unless you play at very high resolution.

[OneManArmy]

okay. I have a 990fx motherboard. what if I over clock? and im not trying to argue, im just seeing my options.

[i_build_nanosuits]

okay. I have a 990fx motherboard. what if I over clock? and im not trying to argue, im just seeing my options.

overclocking your cpu will indeed help minimising the bottleneck, sure...if you have an aftermarket cpu cooler capable of some overclocking then by all means grab a good overclocking tutorial online and try to see how far you can push your cpu.

[Ryukrieger]

okay. I have a 990fx motherboard. what if I over clock? and im not trying to argue, im just seeing my options.

Like i_build_nanosuits said, it's an option to overclock, however it is known that even if you overclock, there's no guarantee that it will eliminate or reduce bottleneck to a negligible amount. However, if anything, that overclock could be used to hold out until you can't bear the performance, or when the next CPU series come out, just depends on what you need right now.