does AMD CPU really perform that bad?

[Natherul]

In essence my question comes from the fact that I need to change MB and CPU soon since my MB has for a long time been on the way of daying...

 

atm I have a Intel i7 3770k OCed to 4,4 Ghz

 

And since I had enough quite recently on NVIDIA and switched to AMD R9 290x and Im loving it I was compemplating on getting a full AMD rig then when I made the change on CPU.

 

The problem is that looking at numbers from different bechmarks the AMD processors are not doing that well (I am looking at the AMD FX-9590 and I primarily play MMOs, Wildstar in particular).

 

So my question is will AMD CPUs perform that bad compared to Intels options and what Intel models would you then (if) recommend in about the same price class or below the FX-9590?

 

Keeping in mind that I mostly play games and MMOs are a big favorite time-sink for me (so if an Intel I would guess a i5).

 

Cheers

[Tro]

AMD is basically for budget builds. If you want more power, you have to pay for it. They don't perform bad. They're just budget.

I don't see why you would get rid of your I7 though, it's alot better than any AMD CPU.

[Fulgrim]

Intel bitchslap AMD when it comes to their single core performance. In games which can utilize all the cores the FX series has, then they can be on par, if not better than their price equivalent Intel counterpart.

 

However, not a lot of games truly can use all 8 cores, and AMD's Mantle is only available for a handful of titles right now. Also, you'd only get a small boost getting a newer Intel chip, like the i5 4690k. I'd say keep your current chip and wait for Intel to release their new line of chips, and see what AMD has to offer when they pull their thumb out of their arsehole.

[nokturrduk84]

Don't switch from intel to AMD. You will make big mistake. It'll be downgrade. When it comes to performance, Intel is king, without any questions!

[Natherul]

AMD is basically for budget builds. If you want more power, you have to pay for it. They don't perform bad. They're just budget.

I don't see why you would get rid of your I7 though, it's alot better than any AMD CPU.

 I was thinking of getting rif off my CPU since I had to change MB anyway.... also with the OC that I have on it it will only give me so much on Wildstar. The OC did give me something like 20 extra FPS but it really aint that high anyway and the graphics card is not even breaking a sweat on it so its the CPU thats beeing molested by the game

 

Also Since I had to change the MB and was then pondering the change of CPU I was wondering if the system might get a boost from having both AMD graphics and CPU (reading somewhere about that feature, dont know if its true or the extent of this boost)

 

EDIT: also since seeing that the OC did that much a diff on the FPS in wildstar I was thinking that more speed on the cores means win in that scenario (knowing I should probably look at some other figures as well though, dont know what ones)

[Tro]

 I was thinking of getting rif off my CPU since I had to change MB anyway.... also with the OC that I have on it it will only give me so much on Wildstar. The OC did give me something like 20 extra FPS but it really aint that high anyway and the graphics card is not even breaking a sweat on it so its the CPU thats beeing molested by the game

 

Also Since I had to change the MB and was then pondering the change of CPU I was wondering if the system might get a boost from having both AMD graphics and CPU (reading somewhere about that feature, dont know if its true or the extent of this boost)

Nope, getting an AMD CPU will only decrease performance. Your CPU is fine, really. Like i said, better than any AMD CPU, and having both GPU and CPU from AMD doesn't boost shit

[gundershot]

Intel has been focusing more on power consumption and mobile devices lately. You're not missing out on much, no need to upgrade.

[othertomperson]

 and AMD's Mantle is only available for a handful of titles right now

 

Right now that is true. The list of confirmed titles is pretty decent though and soon Directx 12, OpenGL and Mantle will all support multithreaded gaming so single core performance doesn't matter as much going forward.

[Rubenis]

Your CPU is great for gaming, no need to go to 220w TDP FX CPU, that perform worse, gives more heat and asks for really good cooling.

[Natherul]

Your CPU is great for gaming, no need to go to 220w TDP FX CPU, that perform worse, gives more heat and asks for really good cooling.

I have a noctua NH-D14 so cooling should be fine either way

[harrynowl]

Yes, yes they do.

[i_build_nanosuits]

I have a noctua NH-D14 so cooling should be fine either way

an i7-3770K is vastly superior to even the 9590 especialy in regards to gaming mate, sorry.

AMD cpu cores are about 45% slower than your ivy bridge chip and 50% slower than the new haswell CPU's...no match for any modern i7.

And considering that your 3770K can do 4.4ghz it performs at the level of a stock i7-4770 already so i see no point in upgrading to anything intel either really...your cpu is fine there are no worthy upgrade for it in regards to gaming at least...if you would do mainly video editing, transcoding, 3d rendring...things of that nature...a 6 core or 8 core haswell-e would be worth the upgrade, but for gaming it's the same..

[Syraz]

You play MMO's so really only go for Intel than.. AMD does not mix well with MMO's

[Natherul]

cheers for the help people!

[GloriousPain]

I'm gonna say what I always say;Never switch from one to the other Mobo switches in particular are painful because of all the new drivers windows reinstallation oh AND THE fact the Mobo is what everythings plugged into making it a long difficult process; And Intel to AMD you wont really gain anything... AMD to intel you do but for it to be a good upgrade it's usually a money pit...

[i_build_nanosuits]

I'm gonna say what I always say;Never switch from one to the other Mobo switches in particular are painful because of all the new drivers windows reinstallation oh AND THE fact the Mobo is what everythings plugged into making it a long difficult process; And Intel to AMD you wont really gain anything... AMD to intel you do but for it to be a good upgrade it's usually a money pit...

?? i recently swapped the FX-8320 and AM3+ to an haswell 4770K and z87 motherboard and within 5 minutes the PC was working all fine i didn't even had to re-install windows 8 all i did was install the lan driver and sound driver and i was rocking BF4 in no time flat...no idea what you are talking about!

OH and before this i swapped the intel core 2 quad Q6600 and socket 775 motherboard to AM3+ and FX (BIG MISTAKE BTW !!!) and that also only took minutes to change and get everything running.

All in all the FX was not performing really noticeably better than the Q6600@3.6ghz SO it was still bottlenecking the GTX 780 in many games so i had the AMD kit for about 5 months before i had enough of this bullcrap and decided to sell it and upgrading...and the FX-8320 that i got was stable as high as 4.93ghz and EVEN then it was still slow. 4.6ghz was daily gaming speed.

[Jack.EXE]

In short:

 

AMD cpus are not as bad as most think, but I would not reccomend switching to an FX processor from an i7, unless you have bogging issues when using all 8 threads.

[GloriousPain]

?? i recently swapped the FX-8320 and AM3+ to an haswell 4770K and z87 motherboard and within 5 minutes the PC was working all fine i didn't even had to re-install windows 8 all i did was install the lan driver and sound driver and i was rocking BF4 in no time flat...no idea what you are talking about!

OH and before this i swapped the intel core 2 quad Q6600 and socket 775 motherboard to AM3+ and FX (BIG MISTAKE BTW !!!) and that also only took minutes to change and get everything running.

It's still a bit more painful than changing out other components...  >.< and you're supposed to reinstall windows but that's not forced it's just nice to have a clean install...  

[i_build_nanosuits]

It's still a bit more painful than changing out other components...  >.< and you're supposed to reinstall windows but that's not forced it's just nice to have a clean install...

install windows 8 from USB to SSD takes like 8 minutes nowadays, i'm fine with it as well

[GloriousPain]

install windows 8 from USB to SSD takes like 8 minutes nowadays, i'm fine with it as well

So you're arguing replacing the two most important pieces of your computer which takes most people ~10-30 minutes plus about 10-15 more minutes doing some software stuff isn't annoying compared graphics card switching (for example) which takes about 1 minute, 1minute to clear CMOS, 1 minute of drivers..... 3Minutes vs 30 minutes I'll take the 3 any damn day; you're just being argumentative. 

[i_build_nanosuits]

So you're arguing replacing the two most important pieces of your computer which takes most people ~10-30 minutes plus about 10-15 more minutes doing some software stuff isn't annoying compared graphics card switching (for example) which takes about 1 minute, 1minute to clear CMOS, 1 minute of drivers..... 3Minutes vs 30 minutes I'll take the 3 any damn day; you're just being argumentative.

yes but you've mentionned not recommending switching from one to the other cause it's too much of an hassle and in the next sentence you mentionned the entire operation taking 30 minutes...30 minutes is worth it if you're to enjoy the computer many hours a week for the next several months or years IMHO.

[Faa]

In short:

 

AMD cpus are not as bad as most think, but I would not reccomend switching to an FX processor from an i7, unless you have bogging issues when using all 8 threads.

He clearly mentioned that he plays mmo's mainly, Intel CPU's are just up to twice as fast there. Their single threaded performance is still from around 2007, it would be a massive downgrade for him.

[GloriousPain]

yes but you've mentionned not recommending switching from one to the other cause it's too much of an hassle and in the next sentence you mentionned the entire operation taking 30 minutes...30 minutes is worth it if you're to enjoy the computer many hours a week for the next several months or years IMHO.

It's simply another reason ONTOP of the fact the i7 should out perform the fx9590 ....And you know this your just arguing for arguments sake and trying to justify it...

[totjup5]

AMD doesn't currently have anything faster than a 3770k, so it wouldn't be an upgrade. Take it from someone who went from an 8350 to a 3770k. If you are really set on an AMD  build wait until they release cpus with a new architecture instead of rebrands.

[Rubenis]

I have a noctua NH-D14 so cooling should be fine either way

TDP is problem to motherboard to, because there are not many motherboards, that can handle FX 9XXX CPUs. But if you live in cold place, in winter you better off with FX - extra heater in room.