Justice, forgiveness

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Polls polls.

 

Is any of those 2 goals?

Or are they just side effects of decisions founded on other things (those things are very far, not directly related).

 

Because as I was watching this entertaining video (the reporter not the things in it )

I remembered how intuitive thinkers will only gain majority in the next 1 or 2 generations.

and that as of now a lot of people dont have morals based on yielding ''the nicest results''.

About this part of the population.

Instead Justice at all costs, as top/only priority! whatever side effects are

 

Oh it gets better, just wait.

[Volbet]

What context are we working in? This question really needs more explanation. A deep question often requires a bigger explanation.

And what constituents justice?

[ShadowCaptain]

Depends

[Bogica]

Depends. But mostly achieving my goals thru any means. The world will never be a just place and forgiveness isn't always the answer, sometimes punishment is needed.

[Osmium]

I don't understand what you are trying to ask. What does Justice or forgiveness as a goal mean? That it is my goal in everything to be merciful or just? Because I can think of very different scenarios where I would be merciful or just.

[Jobbe03]

Context is key

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I am an ''intuitive thinker'' and I seek to determine the future that I prefer better and that is not self-centered. That is my only goal.

Justice and forgiveness are never goals, only diseregarded side-effects.

 

But some do justice as a main goal with priority on any side effects that it yields ->

 

Here's justice:

''we will do all possible to do justice, with diseregard of anything else, because yo dawg, thats ma highest goal''

 

oh and I dont await approval. I would have to be in Sillicon Valley for that.

[Manny Calavera]

forgiving justice 

[Osmium]

I am an ''intuitive thinker'' and I seek to determine the future that I prefer better. That is my only goal.

Justice and forgiveness are never goals, only diseregarded side-effects.

 

Here's justice:

''we will do all possible to do justice, with diseregard of anything else, because yo dawg, thats ma highest goal''

 

That still makes little sense. Whether you are a just person or not has no direct effect on your future, what you do however does and your actions do have consequences. 

[UnknownEngineer]

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The poll is asking if we have justice or forgiveness as our goal. You say the neither is an actual goal. And we still don't know the context, I don't think there are a whole lot of people hell bent on forgiveness or justice. I guess there is batman, he only likes justice...

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That still makes little sense. Whether you are a just person or not has no direct effect on your future, what you do however does and your actions do have consequences.

which part makes little sense?

The poll is asking if we have justice or forgiveness as our goal. You say the neither is an actual goal. And we still don't know the context, I don't think there are a whole lot of people hell bent on forgiveness or justice. I guess there is batman, he only likes justice...

that was my answer, not your answer. Context is your life.

there is no dependancy on context in my answer. The preference depends, but its just a low pirority preference.

I added '' never an end goal''

Now it should be fixed.

If you cna think of some contexts were it will be, in full sober thought. Then 2 or 1. and I will update them too.

[-TesseracT-]

I don't have a damn goal in life. I'll be happy if I get away from being depressed as much as possible, but I don't have a method for doing that, and I know that it won't ever go away.

[Vitalius]

But... It's forgiveness is justice. 

Most of the time, forgiveness is an internal process and is usually done for the sake of the forgiver rather than the forgiven. In fact, many times, the forgiven doesn't even know they are forgiven. 

It's so complicated... *throws hands up in air*

[UnknownEngineer]

that was my answer, not your answer. Context is your life.

 

there is no dependancy on context in my answer. The preference depends, but its just a low pirority preference.

 

I added '' never an end goal''

Now it should be fixed.

 

If you cna think of some contexts were it will be, in full sober thought. Then 2 or 1. and I will update them too.

I was merely asking why the poll was setup the way it is, as it was I didn't see a point in there being a poll. I still think you should just be asking, not giving us definitive options to choose from.

 

If your preference depends on something then wouldn't you answer be dependent on context? However low priority your may have set for justice and forgiveness it still depends on the context.

I just want a logical answer, I am sorry if am coming across as a little edgy.

"context is your life"

Explain this further.

[Mooshi]

Not even a minute in and it goes straight to looting. This is why I can't jump on the blind hate race baiting band wagon that many jumped on when it comes to that city. Police shoots a kid who was also a piece of crap petty thief and somehow this was justification to shit all over your city by targeting innocent businesses. Yeah, because this is a perfectly suitable reaction to a police shooting.

[Volbet]

Since I'm still uncertain about the context and premise of this thread, so I'm just going to freestyle an answer.

 

Neither forgivness nor justice are goals in themself. They are tools that are used in civilized society to achive the goal of a better society.

Society (the state if you will) use ´justice´ to punish people who broke the contract which society is build on. This is of course only tackling the idea of criminal justice, since going through justice as a system would demand a lengthy moral discussion. And I don't really think this is the right format for that discussion. 

But just to touch on the moral debate: Don't we all want justice? Don't we all want some sense of right and wrong?

 

Forgivness is a bit more abstract as a concept than justice.

As @Vitalius already said, forgiveness is a more often than not an internal process that is done for the sake of one self. 

If someone were to rob me, I would have to forgive them at some point. Else I would just feel the need for revenge, and that isn't very productive.  

 

As might show, i don't really think justice and forgiveness are two different things, but rather i think that forgivness needs to be in place in a civilized society.

We can't have justice if people are taking the law into their own hands. Therefor forgivness is needed for justice to exist. 

[MoonSpot]

"The Possibility of Hope", the entire thing is worth watching and considering.  That said, I find Naomi Kleins addition at 7:42 particularly rings true.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=hwsBd6PizJY#t=462

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I was merely asking why the poll was setup the way it is, as it was I didn't see a point in there being a poll. I still think you should just be asking, not giving us definitive options to choose from.

You have the Other option

If your preference depends on something then wouldn't you answer be dependent on context? However low priority your may have set for justice and forgiveness it still depends on the context. And there might be no possible contest where it would matter for some (improbable)

I just want a logical answer, I am sorry if am coming across as a little edgy.

"context is your life"

Explain this further.

And there might be no possible contest in your entire life where it would matter for some (improbable) improbable is between impossible and probable. like its improbable that a meteorite will fall on this planet of the exact size of our moon ( add mor eocnditions to make it more improbable or even impossible)

 

Say choosing justice or forgiveness will have no effect whatsoever on the universe.* w e9might be a little more loose with it.

But the context is so isolated abstract and unexisting, thus those certain people wouldnt hesitate to choose it as an answer.

 

If you want, you can find a given context that you think will explain things if I show the course of my thoughts.