Help me choose my next language!

[Peeeeeeeeeeynk]

So I'm still a student studying web design, I just finished HTML and CSS and was thinking whats the next best language should I take? under webdesign of course.

I'm pretty interested in those websites with the fancy animations and designs :3.

 

[Levent]

flash

[Erik4boss]

You should consider php.

[TheTacoSniper]

Spanish. oh wait......

[Tea1337]

Java would come in handy for some HTML applications for webdesign.

[Peeeeeeeeeeynk]

Spanish. oh wait......why

why you do dizzz! 

[Maximation]

Are you more interested in front-end or back-end development? According to your latest sentence you are mostly interested in front-end development. In that case I strongly recommend you to learn JavaScript. Look at developer.mozilla.org for really good JavaScript guides.

[Peeeeeeeeeeynk]

Java would come in handy for some HTML applications for webdesign.

Javascript or Jquery I heard they're a like is it true ?

[Peeeeeeeeeeynk]

Are you more interested in front-end or back-end development? According to your latest sentence you are mostly interested in front-end development. In that case I strongly recommend you to learn JavaScript. Look at developer.mozilla.org for really good JavaScript guides.

Thanks. But isn't jquery the same as javascript ?

[Ssoele]

If you want to do fancy animations and stuff, definitely look into JavaScript together with jQuery.

If you want to do more than show normal webpages, look into PHP.

[Maximation]

I don't know why he recommends Java, it is definitely not the same as JavaScript.

Jquery is basically a 'framework' for JavaScript, it makes no sense to use it if you do not know how the JavaScript behind it works, in my opinion. That is why I, again, recommend you to learn vanilla JavaScript.

[Peeeeeeeeeeynk]

I don't know why he recommends Java, it is definitely not the same as JavaScript.

Jquery is basically a 'library' for JavaScript, it makes no sense to use it if you do not know how the JavaScript behind it works, in my opinion. That is why I, again, recommend you to learn vanilla JavaScript.

Thanks It makes more sense now, Javascript here I go!

 

Thank you to the other people who suggested! 

[Maximation]

Thanks It makes more sense now, Javascript here I go!

Thank you to the other people who suggested!

Very good, have fun!

[SnowGhost1212]

Javascript, jquery, php.

[SnowGhost1212]

flash

 

Not sure if troll...

[Aho]

If you're more into the actual design aspects of 'web design,' I would actually recommend taking a look at SASS.

 

It's a CSS preprocessor that coupled with Compass (an extension of SASS) will make your life so much easier.

 

SASS may also teach you a little in the ways of programming, in that it contains features similar to functions and control flow statements.

 

Also, take a look at all of the new CSS3 standards. They includes many new features that help replace JavaScript in areas such as animation. 

[Guest]

Dutch

[Erik4boss]

Dutch

haha, I get to choose from German, English (if you come from like Africa and suck at it) Spanish and French. In school this is. But I don't see why you would choose any language but German in this case, because German is the only language you are going to be able to use.

 

Spain: 1000 billion € in debt. Extremely few jobs for youth and a lot of un-employment.

French: Pretty bad jobs, worse living standard than in Germany, gets super mad at you for not being perfect at their language, and idk.

German: Lots of jobs available if you have the proper education, you will be able to communicate with Germans, due to the fact that they suck at English (in general). And Germans are good at a lot of things, and if you have not got a very good education you cann always work somewhere near the inner water spots, like Köln (Cologne) and stuff like that. 

[Guest]

haha, I get to choose from German, English (if you come from like Africa and suck at it) Spanish and French. In school this is. But I don't see why you would choose any language but German in this case, because German is the only language you are going to be able to use.

 

Spain: 1000 billion € in debt. Extremely few jobs for youth and a lot of un-employment.

French: Pretty bad jobs, worse living standard than in Germany, gets super mad at you for not being perfect at their language, and idk.

German: Lots of jobs available if you have the proper education, you will be able to communicate with Germans, due to the fact that they suck at English (in general). And Germans are good at a lot of things, and if you have not got a very good education you cann always work somewhere near the inner water spots, like Köln (Cologne) and stuff like that. 

 

Can you describe The Netherlands?

[Erik4boss]

Can you describe The Netherlands?

The Netherlands is probably awesome, can't learn dutch in school though and not enough people speaking it for me to consider it as a language to learn.

 

I'd say like this though. The Netherlands is either 1 million people in 1 corner, or living on farms.

[Builder]

So many bad ideas in this thread...Flash...Java...PHP...

[Maximation]

So many bad ideas in this thread...Flash...Java...PHP...

Well, to help us out you could suggest languages you consider to be better.

[Builder]

Well, to help us out you could suggest languages you consider to be better.

Flash is a buggy piece of crap that's already being phased out and almost nobody thinks is the best solution for anything anymore, Java is not a web design language, it's a JIT-compiled language featuring object-oriented paradigms and garbage collection. They were referring to JavaScript, which is also a terrible language. PHP is too.

 

Honestly Rails or Django are far better than PHP and its associated frameworks. You're just making your life harder by forcing yourself to use bad languages. With JavaScript you almost have no choice, though Dart is probably a better option considering Chrome and Google's dominance. 

[Maximation]

Flash is a buggy piece of crap that's already being phased out and almost nobody thinks is the best solution for anything anymore, Java is not a web design language, it's a JIT-compiled language featuring object-oriented paradigms and garbage collection. They were referring to JavaScript,

 

I can definitely agree with you on this.

 

 

 which is also a terrible language. PHP is too.

 

I am not so sure about this though. I do not understand why Javascript is a 'terrible language', according to you. What alternatives are there for Javascript? What other languages "whose implementations allow client-side scripts to interact with the user, control the browser, communicate asynchronously, and alter the document content that is displayed" are available and worth using? (I quoted Wikipedia there). I see you mentioned Dart, I have never used it but it seems really interesting. But it made me wonder why it is better than vanilla Javascript? What does it do that Javascript does not? Is it all about security? I am genuinely interested, I am after all still learning as much as I can. Do not release any anger on me or someone else, this forum is meant to discuss opinions and learn from them (I assume). I would definitely not start using Dart just because of Google's dominance, we should rather rebel against Google's dominance.

[Builder]

I am not so sure about this though. I do not understand why Javascript is a 'terrible language', according to you. What alternatives are there for Javascript? What other languages "whose implementations allow client-side scripts to interact with the user, control the browser, communicate asynchronously, and alter the document content that is displayed" are available and worth using? (I quoted Wikipedia there). I see you mentioned Dart, I have never used it but it seems really interesting. But it made me wonder why it is better than vanilla Javascript? What does it do that Javascript does not? Is it all about security? I am genuinely interested, I am after all still learning as much as I can. Do not release any anger on me or someone else, this forum is meant to discuss opinions and learn from them (I assume). I would definitely not start using Dart just because of Google's dominance, we should rather rebel against Google's dominance.

I can't say I'd use Dart because of Google's dominance, no, I don't like them, but hopefully it will foster better languages for the browser just as Chrome fostered better browsers. What I meant now is that Google will probably put a Dart runtime into Chrome at some point and even before that it compiles into JavaScript. They may have already done so, I'm not a big Chrome guy.

 

I'll admit there aren't very many alternatives to JavaScript, which is a shame because it sucks. When I say it sucks I mean the syntax is terrible. In short, it borrows too much syntactically from C. It was also built in 10 days by Brandon Eich, and even he doesn't think it's very good, you can read more on it here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2057565

 

It was kind of a hack that wasn't meant to last 20 years and as a result we're using a poorly designed scripting language as a standard in our web browsers instead of whatever we choose to. Source-to-source implementations for languages like Dart are the future, because it will be almost impossible to uproot JavaScript. Eventually there will be JavaScript byte code compile targets for every major language and we can stop bitching about it. But until then, if you really need to, you can learn JavaScript. It's not the best tool to use, which is why I hesitate to advocate for it as something to learn unless you're a web developer. Unfortunately if you are a web developer though I'd say your best choices are Dart or JavaScript.