Anonymity discussion from 7/4/2014 WAN Show

[BustinJustin]

I searched and didn't find a thread about this. I thought it would be a good idea to have a discussion about it off Twitter since you can't really get a complicated idea across in 140 characters.  Please keep it civil.

 

My opinion:

 

I don't have a huge problem with it. I don't think the NSA is concerned with how much you watched pornhub. I do think they're concerned with any illegal activities you may be engaging in online. I agree with the "if you're not doing anything illegal, don't worry about it" crowd while at the same time realizing that this could be a slippery slope. 

 

I realize that people are more concerned with the principle of privacy than the actual consequences currently. But the government needs some way to counter/monitor terrorism. Too often (in the US) we hear people complain about bad things happening and how something should be done to prevent them, but every attempt to do so that would be halfway effective is a violation of privacy. I think this is an issue of either having or eating your proverbial cake. 

[Misanthrope]

I don't have a huge problem with it. I don't think the NSA is concerned with how much you watched pornhub. I do think they're concerned with any illegal activities you may be engaging in online. 

 

Like reading Linux blogs? Sorry but 

 

1) The NSA has no moral standing when it has no legal standing and what they do clearly violates the constitution: The people would have to decide to amend or change it before they proceed

 

2) Even if the NSA had both legal and moral standings there's just no check balances in place to confirm they are only looking at illegal activities and not politically motivated things aimed at just suppressing legitimate and valid political dissent. 

[Leonard]

This thought that the NSA doesn't care about your pornhub videos is a real scheme. All data can be used against you but it is dependent on the situation.Just check the case with the guy who left his son in  the car too long and his son died. Before they keep on the topic of how could he be so negligent and the probable cause that he could have planned it as he and his wife did internet searches on how long can someone live in a car in the heat, they have now added how he is sexting and has some "other life" with some young girl.

 

I for one hates the idea of what the NSA is doing as creates doubt in everything technological i use or interact with especially with the True Crypt fiasco. 

 

@Misanthrope is correct when he said, "the NSA has no moral standing" 

 

Google is a company that is starting to piss me off too They like to link everything easily but make it hard to "opt out" of the many useless shit they have. I personally feel the NSA is a US government shell company to collect data on people..

 

Someone is calling the shots and making this onslaught of privacy violation happen. If i knew who he/she/it was i would expose he/she/it like a prostitutes goods after she is paid.

[LDX]

pronhub is not an issue for government? 

 

what if pedophiles use this site to entertain themselves? 

I think it does matter to them everything you are doing... even ebay shopping

 

But Im just saying... im not in the US tho'

[Misanthrope]

pronhub is not an issue for government? 

 

what if pedophiles use this site to entertain themselves? 

I think it does matter to them everything you are doing... even ebay shopping

 

But Im just saying... im not in the US tho'

 

Little known fact: If you scroll down all the way down on porn hub and other porn sites you'll find usually this statement:

 

18 USC 2257 Statement: Pornhub.Com

Pornhub.com is not a producer (primary or secondary) of any and all of the content found on the website (Pornhub.com). With respect to the records as per 18 USC 2257 for any and all content found on this site, please kindly direct your request to the site for which the content was produced.

Pornhub.com is a video sharing site in which allows for the uploading, sharing and general viewing of various types of adult content and while Pornhub.com does the best it can with verifying compliance, it may not be 100% accurate.

Pornhub.com abides by the following procedures to ensure compliance:

Requiring all users to be 18 years of age to upload videos.

When uploading, user must verify the content; assure he/she is 18 years of age; certify that he/she keeps records of the models in the content and that they are over 18 years of age.

For further assistance and/or information in finding the content's originating site, please contact Pornhub.com compliance at copyright@pornhub.com

Pornhub.com allows content to be flagged as inappropriate. Should any content be flagged as illegal, unlawful, harassing, harmful, offensive or various other reasons, Pornhub.com shall remove it from the site without delay.

Users of Pornhub.com who come across such content are urged to flag it as inappropriate by clicking 'flag as inappropriate' link found below each video.

 

So as much as you think "s/he can't be 18" and they purposefully claim otherwise during the "plot" of the video this is almost never, ever, ever the case.

[tobben]

pronhub is not an issue for government? 

 

what if pedophiles use this site to entertain themselves? 

I think it does matter to them everything you are doing... even ebay shopping

 

But Im just saying... im not in the US tho'

not sure if you are joking or if you are making a sarcastic joke, i will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume the latter.

 

and on the pornhub thing, remember all data can and will be used against you if the situtation calls for it, porn/search history is no exception.

[LDX]

 

Little known fact: If you scroll down all the way down on porn hub and other porn sites you'll find usually this statement:

 

 

So as much as you think "s/he can't be 18" and they purposefully claim otherwise during the "plot" of the video this is almost never, ever, ever the case.

 

I have a friend that went to live to the US few years ago, he got involved in the real estate business, and some day the NSA knocked his door

why? cause it seems he sold a house to a drug kimpin withouth knowing this, the house was a little bit overpriced so the NSA thought

he was somehow involved with this person and that he knew about his activities 

 

The agents asked him to come clean and tell the truth about this episode, and he told that he knew nothing about him

and if they want they can check all his telephone numbers and his telephone records, his internet activity and even his emails...

the NSA agents answered: "we already did sir"  

 

I dont know about pornhub, or any similar, but I am pretty sure there are websites with this kind of content... 

In fact I know that police monitor chatrooms conversations between allegedly adults and allegedly under aged people.

 

Correct me if Im wrong...

[Brendson]

pronhub is not an issue for government? 

 

what if pedophiles use this site to entertain themselves?

 

I'd rather have them use websites to get off than practice their acts on children. I know a Pedophile who does just that and I actually praise him for not victimizing children. I'd like to believe that they don't chose to be that way also, I've seen him in some shit ways because of it.

[IdeaStormer]

..snip..

 

Yes and no.

 

Do you remember the time when people were embedding messages in JPEG's? You can still do that, and a porn site would be perfect, just tag the photo in the  site its show in so the search tag is not part of the photo so the site carries that info then viewers download the pic and use special software to decode the embedded message.

 

A perfectly sane site may seem super safe and legit but deep down it would be still harboring information pertinent to some not so legal activities. Its the perfect scenario and has happened before, now you can do it with video and even text in the site all you need is the algorithm to decode it and you don't need one line of encryption. Security and anti-security through obscurity.

 

That is one reason they try to track you and follow all your moves and build a profile of you, so it can be used to back track through your steps, in case some of them lead them to those type of things.

 

Not that I agree with it. :mellow:

[e4canadian]

I think the points about someone unwittingly watching child pornography(ie not little kids but 17's with lots of makeup or something) are valid and not only the US government also the Canadian government goes overboard with these situations for example: http://www.t-ono.net/Anime-News/U.S.-Man-Arrested-in-Canada-for-Possession-and-Importation-of-Manga.html

The man has some anime porn drawings or something that seems harmless to any human beings to me, yet he was arrested for this. Now back to the topic at hand if the NSA discovers that one of the actors in a porn video was underage and they know all the people who viewed the video they could potentially arrest many people for watching child porn.

[BustinJustin]

We all know what sites are frequented by actual cyber criminals and other criminals who use the internet for their criminal activities. We all (mostly) know what they use to get away with it. If you also use these sites or tools, whether or not you are a criminal, you should know that you may (probably are) be watched. None of you seem to be concerned with this being pretty much the only way to catch actual criminals

[Victorious Secret]

Do you guys think this is new? On any level? The NSA is just the next agency that got caught. 

 

They'll never stop this. They never stopped before (and we're talking hundreds of years) and they won't stop in the future. 

 

Their tools have just gotten more advanced.

 

Do I care that the NSA might be watching me right now? That I have GI Joe playing on one half of the screen, this on the other, and Xbox going on in the background? Nope. Not even a little. I have so much bigger shit to deal with in my day to day life that what the government is doing with my information or how they are spying on me ranks so far down on the list of shit to give about that I wonder why I even worry.

[Rhotis]

I searched and didn't find a thread about this. I thought it would be a good idea to have a discussion about it off Twitter since you can't really get a complicated idea across in 140 characters.  Please keep it civil.

 

My opinion:

 

I don't have a huge problem with it. I don't think the NSA is concerned with how much you watched pornhub. I do think they're concerned with any illegal activities you may be engaging in online. I agree with the "if you're not doing anything illegal, don't worry about it" crowd while at the same time realizing that this could be a slippery slope. 

 

I realize that people are more concerned with the principle of privacy than the actual consequences currently. But the government needs some way to counter/monitor terrorism. Too often (in the US) we hear people complain about bad things happening and how something should be done to prevent them, but every attempt to do so that would be halfway effective is a violation of privacy. I think this is an issue of either having or eating your proverbial cake. 

 

What is not illegal today may be illegal tomorrow.  

 

The concept if you have nothing to hide.......  might be the single most dangerous mindset people in a free society can have.  

[Tech_Dreamer]

You clearly havent watched the leaked footages of goverment assisted terrorist attacks & black ops (unreleased manning files), Don't believe everything they feed you, Walk backstage once a while to see how it's done while you still can, it's kinda like that christianity , people led to believe miracles & stories that happen through & around Jeebuz,  all the while an empire is built & funded on false believes , perspective is all that keeps you from seeing what you think you're seeing,

 

Remember , Snowden revealed the TS files to the public & said that no one is going to respond to it anyhow becuase it's already too much of a debate to be handled, he was concerned if one day this was & will be used against the american public, the people who they were supposed to protect, hey if TSA can consider every person to be a pottential terorist  after one full scale attack, how come your goverment is getting away with the massacres they did & are doing right now?

 

in short , who's good here anyways? we've seen people(general public) act all together worse than the government we have now, lynching/GngRp/mass Pds/mass executions, the Government was created to stop all these & they've been doing a pretty good job upuntil now nevertheless. but when they turn to something that we were trying to avoid in the first place , who's the enemy here? & when they have too much power it scares us. Nevertheless  Human nature always turn ugly at the end.

[Rhotis]

One of the most important speeches ever given.

 

[snes]

We can complain all we want but it won't change anything. They don't even care that we found out about them tapping Merkel's phone and I wouldn't trust their word, if they said that they'd never do it again.