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13 minutes ago, Ha-Satan said:

IMO whether or not sub-60 fps gameplay feels "laggy" or not depends on the input type used and the pace of the game.

 

A fast-paced game that requires really twitchy movements is going to feel pretty bad at 30 fps, but a lot of games (especially the types of games that I play) don't typically require these sorts of super twitchy responses.

 

Similarly, using a controller as opposed to a mouse makes 30 fps a lot less of a problem. That's because developers typically lock the camera turning speed to a relatively low max value, and sometimes add a brief of acceleration to the beginning of the movement. Both of these facts (the slow max speed and the acceleration) help to cover up the additional input latency and "jumpy" motion from the lower frame rate. (Motion blur helps cover up the jumpiness too.)

 

But if you use a mouse, you can turn the camera instantly and really quickly. Any sort of additional delay between your movement and the camera turning will be a lot more noticeable, and when you make big camera movements really fast, the "jumpiness" or "framiness" of the 30 fps update will be a lot more obvious.

 

So for me, if I tried to play a fast-paced game like Doom at 30 fps with a keyboard and mouse, that would be terrible and I would find it to be basically unplayable. But playing a slower-paced game like Assassin's Creed with a controller at 30 fps is totally fine.

 

Personally I find that I can play fast-paced games with keyboard and mouse down to about 50 fps. A locked and properly synced 50 fps doesn't feel meaningfully different to me than a locked and synced 60 fps. But below 50 fps, I need to be using a controller and I can't play games that are too fast-paced.

that makes scene thx for the info

ya even 40 fps can be fine so long as there's not lag or micro studders 

ya i don't no much about the  variable resolution up scaling and down scaling live based on the game. i haven't played a really nice looking game in a long time last is like nms and ied adjust it so i dint have thows moving edges...but nms is laggy after one of there updates so...

another thing is the lock on auto aiming with consoles but i wont play a shooter online ever again i dont think... so many hacks...i really love unreal tournament kinda was good at it. i miss quake 2 thow with grappling hooks...

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I have dyslexia plz be kind to me. dont like my post dont read it or respond thx

also i edit post alot because you no why...

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2 minutes ago, thrasher_565 said:

another thing is the lock on auto aiming with consoles but i wont play a shooter online ever again i dont think... so many hacks...

Honestly modern aim assist has gotten pretty good. Like in a lot of modern games, the game isn't just snapping you onto the target. Instead, it'll slightly bend your bullets towards the target, and it'll slightly slow down your camera speed as you pass over the target. It feels a lot better and less like "auto-aim." 

 

That said, I still vastly prefer to use gyro aim when possible if I'm going to play a game with aiming on controller. Gyro aim is massively better than dual-stick aim even with modern aim assist.

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11 hours ago, Kisai said:

 

What is your intended gameplay resolution/framerate. Because if you just want to play the game, get the PS5. If you want to play at resolution/framerate higher than 1080p60 then you need to pick the parts that let you do that. A 2070 might get 1440p60 or 1080p90 or something but that's not much of an upgrade. If you already have parts laying around, then don't spend more money unless you really have your heart set on a specific experience.

 

The PS5 is fine if you "just want to play the game". The difference is that the PS5 goes EOL and the game publishers don't port to more than one console of one manufacturer. So you get more usable time out of a PC, but only if you overbuild it in the first place. If you just use old parts and replace it with off-market parts, you spend more money than the console eventually.

 

My preference is "PC Master Race" + whatever Nintendo has, since the PS4/PS5 or Xbox is just a PC and the games are always available on the PC even if there is some delay in publishing due to console exclusivity or worse Epic Games timed exclusive.

 

 

The res that I'm going for is 1080p, for fps 60-90+ to play relatively modern games like some of this year and mostly from last 5 yrs. My intended build improved a little but no I dont have parts already lying around. The reason to switch despite using consoles for most of my life is simply looking for a more interesting experience, smoother gameplay, mods, free online, older games that dont have horrible controls and locked to 30 fps, better store since playstation one is horrible in prices (5-10eu more than pc), same games going on sale over and over and works properly only on the phone. The reason I'm not sure mostly depends on prices, I think overall exp could be much better with PC but I'm not willing at all to overspend by 100eu+ than PS5.

I didn't really get you mean by "ps5 is fine to just play the game" and "you spend more money than the console eventually" mind explaining?

Here's my slightly updated build for which Im still searching for a new/used cpu with better price, used ram, maybe storage and case fans unless they come with case.

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2 minutes ago, _nolimit_ said:

 

I didn't really get you mean by "ps5 is fine to just play the game" and "you spend more money than the console eventually" mind explaining?

 

If you buy a PC, you probably spend like around $70 per game except when it's on sale, but if you only buy 5 year old hardware, you're going to keep having to replace that hardware as the goal posts move. So a new entry-level GPU is around $400-$500. A PS5 Slim is $580.

 

If you buy a PS5, you likely still spend 70$ for new releases, but when the PS6 comes out, no more games come out, so you end up having to buy a PS6 if you want new games. 

 

Hence, if the games you want to play are already out and work on what you have, just stick with it, but if you want to play new releases, sooner or later you'll be dropping about $500-$600 for a new console or a new GPU to play it.

 

Hence why I asked about resolution/frame rate, because the really large purchases (eg xx80/xx90 GPU's) are intended to run games at 4Kp60/p90 and generally have a longer time to go EOL, but if you're not going to run it at 4K, only 1080p, that's overkill, OR a sound investment that you can keep playing 1080p games for the next 8 years.

 

Honestly, don't fret too much over it, If you want to invest in the PC gaming side, generally people just dump a whole bunch of money up front buying what they want initially and then piece-meal upgrade it over time to hypermile the CPU and RAM, not buy just the minimum. a "just the minimum" experience is typically worse than the game console.

 

People often stick to PS or Nintendo consoles because there is less fiddly stuff to deal with, and owning a console is cheaper and more portable than owning two PC's.

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8 minutes ago, Kisai said:

If you buy a PC, you probably spend like around $70 per game except when it's on sale, but if you only buy 5 year old hardware, you're going to keep having to replace that hardware as the goal posts move. So a new entry-level GPU is around $400-$500. A PS5 Slim is $580.

 

If you buy a PS5, you likely still spend 70$ for new releases, but when the PS6 comes out, no more games come out, so you end up having to buy a PS6 if you want new games. 

 

Hence, if the games you want to play are already out and work on what you have, just stick with it, but if you want to play new releases, sooner or later you'll be dropping about $500-$600 for a new console or a new GPU to play it.

 

Hence why I asked about resolution/frame rate, because the really large purchases (eg xx80/xx90 GPU's) are intended to run games at 4Kp60/p90 and generally have a longer time to go EOL, but if you're not going to run it at 4K, only 1080p, that's overkill, OR a sound investment that you can keep playing 1080p games for the next 8 years.

 

Honestly, don't fret too much over it, If you want to invest in the PC gaming side, generally people just dump a whole bunch of money up front buying what they want initially and then piece-meal upgrade it over time to hypermile the CPU and RAM, not buy just the minimum. a "just the minimum" experience is typically worse than the game console.

 

People often stick to PS or Nintendo consoles because there is less fiddly stuff to deal with, and owning a console is cheaper and more portable than owning two PC's.

2070s at 175eu for 1080p is an overkill😅? I would also partly agree that owning a console is cheaper since some things come with it and some you already have but at the end of day its pretty limiting. 

Also I forgot the link, what would you say about this build?

https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/RHkRWc

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On 8/31/2025 at 4:54 PM, _nolimit_ said:

I'm not sure what to do. I have been looking to build a pc while not spending too much. I'm switching from old gen console and looking at it's possible performance I'm not sure if its a good choice compared to PS5. Build in short consists of a 2070s and ryzen 5 5600 and full build will cost around 550-600€ and I won't spend more (not even counting having to buy MnK), the intent is to play some modern AAA games and MP not necessarily every single 1 that came out this year at 1080p at least and looking at it, pc will struggle greatly because 8GB of VRAM that might not be enough and optimisation. At the same time modern games run somewhat smoothly on PS5 and that might be the case for games coming out in the next years. I'm questioning if I should just buy PS5 for 500 and be done with it or build the PC hoping games will run? I really need a serious advice. Here's the build

https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/CHjHyW

If your budget ceiling is around €550–600, a 5600 + 2070S build will definitely handle 1080p well today. Most modern AAA games will run fine with settings tweaked, but you’re right that 8GB vram can already feel tight in some newer titles and will age faster than the PS5’s unified memory.

The tradeoff is:

Pc pros: Upgradability, keyboard mouse, mods, wider game library, productivity use.

PC cons: Higher upfront cost including peripherals, less optimized for the very latest AAA games compared to a ps5.

Ps5 pros: Plug and play, consistent performance for upcoming games, cheaper initial outlay.

Ps5 cons: Locked ecosystem, no upgrades, no flexibility outside gaming.

If you mostly want a just works machine for gaming the next 4–5 years, ps5 is safer. If you like the idea of upgrading over time and using the pc for more than gaming, your 5600 + 2070S build is still solid value for 1080p today.

So the real question is: do you want an appliance ps5 or a platform you can build on pc?

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7 hours ago, Kisai said:

If you buy a PS5, you likely still spend 70$ for new releases, but when the PS6 comes out, no more games come out, so you end up having to buy a PS6 if you want new games. 

PS5 is likely going to have a long tail for games, especially with PS6 rumored to be such a small upgrade from PS5. PS5 was an enormous upgrade over PS4 and five years into the gen we have just now gotten to the point where new games release on PS5 instead of crossgen.

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To me op's budget screams PS5. 2070 Super is such an old gpu so you'd be buying really late on the bathtub curve of reliability and it would likely be a card ridden hard mining during the big ether bubble of a few years ago. Plus it only has 8GB VRAM and is power hungry; not something I'd put on a low end 450W psu like the one in your pcpartpicker list. If you play online games needing to subscribe to PSN is definitely a strike against PS5. Though a big plus for PS5 IMO is physical games and being able to sell games you finish instead of hoarding them in your library like you're forced to do with digital purchases. Another plus for PS5 is it's the platform more devs target, with PC ports sometimes being really bad. E.g. Spiderman 2 plays way better on my PS5 than on my significantly more powerful i5-12400F + RX 6700 XT PC.

 

Though PC has one enormous advantage over PS5: namely that almost any monitor made the last 7 years or so should support FreeSync while PS5 locks variable refresh rate behind HDMI 2.1 VRR, which you still only see on higher end monitors or TVs. FreeSync is such a game-changer. I love no longer having to chase 60 fps minimums and now just choose settings to try to keep my framerate above 50 so FreeSync can take care of making it look good. For instance Elden Ring was way better on PC than PS5 for me as my 6700XT could easily run 60 fps most of the time but could drop into the 50s, but with FreeSync it always looked smooth. While the PS5 native version of Elden Ring could drop into the high 40s when you're on horseback, which looks like absolute crap without VRR. Which is why when I played Elden Ring on PS5 I installed the PS4 version and ran in backward compatibility mode. Looked quite a bit worse than when I upgraded my gpu to a 6700XT and could now play the current gen version without ugly frame drops on PC.

 

I'd still go PS5 even if OP has a FreeSync monitor as that system doesn't seem too reasonable. The 5600 is a great choice on cpu but that gpu is suspect, and especially with a weak psu.

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7 minutes ago, SteveGrabowski0 said:

To me op's budget screams PS5 all the way. 2070 Super is such an old gpu so you'd be buying really late on the bathtub curve of reliability and it would likely be a card ridden hard mining during the big ether bubble of a few years ago. Plus it only has 8GB VRAM and is power hungry; not something I'd put on a low end 450W psu like the one in your pcpartpicker list. If you play online games needing to subscribe to PSN is definitely a strike against PS5. Though a big plus for PS5 IMO is physical games and being able to sell games you finish instead of hoarding them in your library like you're forced to do with digital purchases. Another plus for PS5 is it's the platform more devs target, with PC ports sometimes being really bad. E.g. Spiderman 2 plays way better on my PS5 than on my significantly more powerful i5-12400F + RX 6700 XT PC. IDK to me PC is either for really budget gaming, like indies and emulation, or high end gaming where you want to blow away what console can do. Between R5 5600 + RTX 2070S vs PS5 the PS5 seems like a no-brainer. I don't think I'd pick PC over PS5 until I started getting up into the RTX 5070 or even better RX 9700 range of power on my budget.

Damn you making me rethink everything lol. I've been looking up different parts, thinking to buy, lowering cost as much as I could. From what I could gather 2070s with r5 5600 isnt that bad? While its power hungry, overall consumption doesnt even go above 400W. From what I've seen plenty of games perform better on that build instead of ps5.

Like I've been playing on controller for most of my life but MnK seem to be more interesting as theres more control unlike with controller, which in some games could be pretty bad. The option to control settings, having more fps, freedom. ESPECIALLY with mods which to me is one of the biggest reason I'm thinking about switching. While PS5 needs to have older games patched so they can fully utilise it, some older ones are locked at 30fps, can't significantly change options, fake 4k with 30fps, horrible store that they never improve.  It becomes more and more difficult for me to choose. 

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29 minutes ago, SteveGrabowski0 said:

I'd still go PS5 even if OP has a FreeSync monitor as that system doesn't seem too reasonable. The 5600 is a great choice on cpu but that gpu is suspect, and especially with a weak psu.

The gpu is reliable used only for 3 years, wasn't used for mining. Someone I know is selling it

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11 minutes ago, _nolimit_ said:

Damn you making me rethink everything lol. I've been looking up different parts, thinking to buy, lowering cost as much as I could. From what I could gather 2070s with r5 5600 isnt that bad? While its power hungry, overall consumption doesnt even go above 400W. From what I've seen plenty of games perform better on that build instead of ps5.

Like I've been playing on controller for most of my life but MnK seem to be more interesting as theres more control unlike with controller, which in some games could be pretty bad. The option to control settings, having more fps, freedom. ESPECIALLY with mods which to me is one of the biggest reason I'm thinking about switching. While PS5 needs to have older games patched so they can fully utilise it, some older ones are locked at 30fps, can't significantly change options, fake 4k with 30fps, horrible store that they never improve.  It becomes more and more difficult for me to choose. 

Crap I was hoping you wouldn't read until I got the edit about FreeSync in, which is IMO the biggest plus of PC vs PS5. Does your monitor support FreeSync? Because that's huge IMO, as PS5 requires HDMI 2.1 VRR if you want variable refresh rate support. If the 2070S hasn't been pushed hard in mining that's good. You're still cutting it a little tight on psu though. I'd skip the cpu cooler and use the stock cooler and see if you can go up to a bit better psu if you're going to go the PC route. The crappy Intel stock cooler is fine on my i5-12400F and the only time it ever gets hot on it is when I'm encoding video to HEVC. But never in gaming. And IIRC the Ryzen stock cooler is far superior to the Intel one.

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14 minutes ago, SteveGrabowski0 said:

Crap I was hoping you wouldn't read until I got the edit about FreeSync in, which is IMO the biggest plus of PC vs PS5. Does your monitor support FreeSync? Because that's huge IMO, as PS5 requires HDMI 2.1 VRR if you want variable refresh rate support. If the 2070S hasn't been pushed hard in mining that's good. You're still cutting it a little tight on psu though. I'd skip the cpu cooler and use the stock cooler and see if you can go up to a bit better psu if you're going to go the PC route. The crappy Intel stock cooler is fine on my i5-12400F and the only time it ever gets hot on it is when I'm encoding video to HEVC. But never in gaming. And IIRC the Ryzen stock cooler is far superior to the Intel one.

I'm planning to buy another monitor which yea would be another 100€+ depending on what I'll find but the one I've been looking at has freesync.

I've changed the build a little bit, found some better prices, removed additional cooler but can't go lower than this except if im willing to find another psu. https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/4KMrFZ

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13 minutes ago, _nolimit_ said:

Like I've been playing on controller for most of my life but MnK seem to be more interesting as theres more control unlike with controller, which in some games could be pretty bad. 

IDK really depends on the games you like to play. If it's shooters, and especially online shooters, you're probably way better off on PC not only because of mouse and keyboard but also because those kinds of games tend to be cpu bound and the Ryzen 5 5600 kills the cpu in the PS5, which is more like the Ryzen 7 2700. But if you like third person games like Elden Ring or RPGs I think controller is way better. Though I HATE the PS5 controller. Have already had one develop stick drift and I don't play the kind of twitch shooters that are infamous for making sticks drift. In fact the only time I have ever had stick drift on another controller was on my XBox 360 controller when I tied a rubber band to the stick to keep it in the up position for 12 hours training the sneak skill in Oblivion while I went to work lol.

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