First time pc build, 2k USD, moderate gaming, second round

[TheIndecisiveMollusk]

 Budget (including currency):  2000 USD (yes I'm slightly over budget for this pick, but that's acceptable)

Country: Hongkong/China & US (I can get the parts from the US, I don't think there'll be an issue with shipping or acquiring them to HK)

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: See 

for more detailed explantion. Mostly web surfing, moderate gaming, most of the performence requirements will be used to play around ML and generative AIs.

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- It's going to bt 99% internet surfing, I'm terminally online, watching videos, and staring at the screen. With a bad habit of keeping a lot of tabs, windows, and programs together. Discord, mail, photoshop, if anything I can run the the background without needing to occupy the window, it's likely going to be in the background.

- Moderate gaming. Like gosh, a handful of times a month? Mostly last generation of games, StarCraft, Halo MCC, pre-2010 COD and Battlefield, Hades, I do want to try newer titles like Halo Infinite. And I do plan to play those games as visually amazing as possible. But nothing crazy with like 4K on 144Hz. 

- Generate AI. Probably the real reason I'm picking a good GPU. Just playing around with them. Stable Diffusion, local LLMs, TTS. Both using and training. 

 

 

Other detail: (planned)

CPU: Intel Core i7-13700K 3.4 GHz 16-Core Processor  ($344.99 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: Deepcool AK620 ZERO DARK 68.99 CFM CPU Cooler  ($64.98 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: Asus PRIME B760-PLUS ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($139.99 @ ASUS) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-7000 CL40 Memory  ($149.99 @ Corsair) 
Storage: Western Digital Black SN850X 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($179.99 @ Best Buy) 
Storage: Seagate BarraCuda 4 TB 3.5" 5400 RPM Internal Hard Drive  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Video Card: Asus TUF GAMING GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER 16 GB Video Card  ($799.99 @ Best Buy) 
Case: Corsair 4000D Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case  ($89.99 @ Corsair) 
Power Supply: MSI MAG A850GL PCIE5 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($110.99 @ Best Buy) 
 

 

I swear it's not spaming or reposting because I didn't get that much engagment last time. I did take into account @Why_Me's recommendations and made some changes.

Motherboard - Does the form factor matter to performance? Since I realized a mid-tower would fit a full ATX motherboard and it's price comparable with the same chipset. I heard the B chips are more mid-tier. Does it matter that much here?

Storage - Is there something wrong with WD SN850? Does it just not worth the price because one wouldn't use most of its performance?

Video Card - Which manufactor do you guys recommend based on warrant, service, and complient software? I was using this https://www.techpowerup.com/review/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-super-gaming-oc/39.html as a general benchmark other than the price.

Case - Am I stressing too much about cooling and airlow? Or are the most basic cases are fine?

[ulookuglynoob]

6 minutes ago, TheIndecisiveMollusk said:

Motherboard - Does the form factor matter to performance? Since I realized a mid-tower would fit a full ATX motherboard and it's price comparable with the same chipset. I heard the B chips are more mid-tier. Does it matter that much here?

Storage - Is there something wrong with WD SN850? Does it just not worth the price because one wouldn't use most of its performance?

Video Card - Which manufactor do you guys recommend based on warrant, service, and complient software? I was using this https://www.techpowerup.com/review/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-super-gaming-oc/39.html as a general benchmark other than the price.

Case - Am I stressing too much about cooling and airlow? Or are the most basic cases are fine?

Well, The form factor doesn't affect performance. A B Mobo for an Intel CPU isn't the best, since you can't overclock. You will get good performance, byt try to get a Z Mobo if you want to overclock. I think your storage is fine. Its decent for the price. However, it is kinda expensive. For the Video card, there really isn't a "best" brand. However, for the 4070 ti super,the best card would be an Asus ROG. However, its overpriced. You should be fine with the tuf, since it is a decently designed card. Asus also has pretty good software. You don't have to stress on the case, since the one you picked has good airflow. However, most basic cases have good enough airflow.

[filpo]

 

6 minutes ago, TheIndecisiveMollusk said:

Does it matter that much here?

Not much unless you're going to OC or use pcie 5 

 

7 minutes ago, TheIndecisiveMollusk said:

Does it just not worth the price because one wouldn't use most of its performance?

at $180 it's not a good deal anyways. The GM7000 from acer is about $50-$60 less and has still got DRAM, or you can get a DRAMless for $105. Since you have the budget I'd say get the ssd with dram

 

8 minutes ago, TheIndecisiveMollusk said:

Is there something wrong with WD SN850?

no, but at this price it's a bad option. Do all these prices consider the shipping to hong kong? Check the prices for shipping of competing components

 

9 minutes ago, TheIndecisiveMollusk said:

Which manufactor do you guys recommend based on warrant, service, and complient software?

It honestly doesn't matter too much unless there's a specific problem with that model (in which case it should've been recalled) so find the cheapest one with 4 star and up reviews, such as this one PNY VERTO OC GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER 16 GB Video Card (VCG4070TS16TFXPB1-O) - PCPartPicker

You might not have heard of the company but it's decent and is $50 less than the gigabyte

11 minutes ago, TheIndecisiveMollusk said:

CPU: Intel Core i7-13700K 3.4 GHz 16-Core Processor  ($344.99 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: Deepcool AK620 ZERO DARK 68.99 CFM CPU Cooler  ($64.98 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: Asus PRIME B760-PLUS ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($139.99 @ ASUS) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-7000 CL40 Memory  ($149.99 @ Corsair) 
Storage: Western Digital Black SN850X 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($179.99 @ Best Buy) 
Storage: Seagate BarraCuda 4 TB 3.5" 5400 RPM Internal Hard Drive  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Video Card: Asus TUF GAMING GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER 16 GB Video Card  ($799.99 @ Best Buy) 
Case: Corsair 4000D Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case  ($89.99 @ Corsair) 
Power Supply: MSI MAG A850GL PCIE5 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($110.99 @ Best Buy) 

not bad though that CL latency is a bit high and the 4000D airflow (i've had it) isn't great for the money when the 903 MAX is better for airflow, includes more fans and can store a larger rad up top

try this 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i7-13700K 3.4 GHz 16-Core Processor  ($344.99 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Liquid Freezer III 56.3 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($90.08 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: MSI B760 GAMING PLUS WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($159.00 @ MSI) 
Memory: TEAMGROUP T-Create Expert 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6400 CL32 Memory  ($99.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Acer Predator GM7000 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($129.99 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: Zotac GAMING Trinity GeForce RTX 4080 SUPER 16 GB Video Card  ($999.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: Montech AIR 903 MAX ATX Mid Tower Case  ($75.00 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: MSI MAG A850GL PCIE5 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($99.00 @ MSI) 
Total: $1998.04
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-04-16 13:10 EDT-0400

2 minutes ago, ulookuglynoob said:

Its decent for the price

the sn850x is a good drive but it isn't THAT good. DRAM ssds can be had for less, 980 pro is $165 (though that still isn't great value)

4 minutes ago, ulookuglynoob said:

the best card would be an Asus ROG

I've heard a lot of complaints for ROG 4090s that they've got a lot of coil whine, it might not be the same for the 4070 ti super but just something to keep in mind

[TheIndecisiveMollusk]

8 hours ago, ulookuglynoob said:

Well, The form factor doesn't affect performance. A B Mobo for an Intel CPU isn't the best, since you can't overclock. You will get good performance, byt try to get a Z Mobo if you want to overclock. 

If form factor doesn't impact performance then just get an ATX board since it can fit? What's the point for microATX then? Small form factor builds?

I never did overclock before so, hmmm....

8 hours ago, ulookuglynoob said:

I think your storage is fine. Its decent for the price. However, it is kinda expensive. For the Video card, there really isn't a "best" brand. However, for the 4070 ti super,the best card would be an Asus ROG. However, its overpriced. You should be fine with the tuf, since it is a decently designed card. Asus also has pretty good software. You don't have to stress on the case, since the one you picked has good airflow. However, most basic cases have good enough airflow.

Thank you explanation, I will take them into consideration. 

[TheIndecisiveMollusk]

8 hours ago, filpo said:

Not much unless you're going to OC or use pcie 5 

 

Oof, I've never overclock before or any idea with PCIE

8 hours ago, filpo said:

at $180 it's not a good deal anyways. The GM7000 from acer is about $50-$60 less and has still got DRAM, or you can get a DRAMless for $105. Since you have the budget I'd say get the ssd with dram

 

Well, the "budget" isn't really a hardset limit, more of a goal post I try not to get into reckless spending for expensive over-the-top components I've not really going to get uses out of.

8 hours ago, filpo said:

no, but at this price it's a bad option. Do all these prices consider the shipping to hong kong? Check the prices for shipping of competing components

 

Certain parts (like the mobo, case, and coolers) I'm going to buy locally, others one of my relative is visiting and they said they have a free luggage to bring goodies.

8 hours ago, filpo said:

It honestly doesn't matter too much unless there's a specific problem with that model (in which case it should've been recalled) so find the cheapest one with 4 star and up reviews, such as this one PNY VERTO OC GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER 16 GB Video Card (VCG4070TS16TFXPB1-O) - PCPartPicker

You might not have heard of the company but it's decent and is $50 less than the gigabyte

Thank you for the recommendation, I did heard of PNY, I just wasn't sure of the companies to pick from until this point.

8 hours ago, filpo said:

not bad though that CL latency is a bit high and the 4000D airflow (i've had it) isn't great for the money when the 903 MAX is better for airflow, includes more fans and can store a larger rad up top

CL latency is a bit high, so too high for the rest of the set up? Thank you for the input on the case.

8 hours ago, filpo said:

CPU: Intel Core i7-13700K 3.4 GHz 16-Core Processor  ($344.99 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Liquid Freezer III 56.3 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($90.08 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: MSI B760 GAMING PLUS WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($159.00 @ MSI) 
Memory: TEAMGROUP T-Create Expert 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6400 CL32 Memory  ($99.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Acer Predator GM7000 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($129.99 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: Zotac GAMING Trinity GeForce RTX 4080 SUPER 16 GB Video Card  ($999.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: Montech AIR 903 MAX ATX Mid Tower Case  ($75.00 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: MSI MAG A850GL PCIE5 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($99.00 @ MSI) 
Total: $1998.04

Thank you for the selection, I'll take a look at my purchasing options.

I did think about the 4070 Ti Super and 4080 Super, I just didn't think the performance justifies the price difference. Most people seem to have only a 10-15% improvement benchmark in games and Stable Diffusion tests.

[filpo]

16 hours ago, TheIndecisiveMollusk said:

Oof, I've never overclock before or any idea with PCIE

if you're not going to OC then don't worry unless you need some features on the z790. You haven't got a pcie 5 gpu or ssd so don't worry about that either

 

16 hours ago, TheIndecisiveMollusk said:

Most people seem to have only a 10-15% improvement benchmark in games and Stable Diffusion tests.

for the 4080 super? Should be more like 20% better in games, idk about stable diffusion

if we stick with the 4070 ti super

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i7-13700K 3.4 GHz 16-Core Processor  ($344.99 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Liquid Freezer III 56.3 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($90.08 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: MSI B760 GAMING PLUS WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($159.00 @ MSI) 
Memory: TEAMGROUP T-Create Expert 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6400 CL32 Memory  ($99.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: *Acer Predator GM7000 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($129.99 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: Gigabyte WINDFORCE OC GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER 16 GB Video Card  ($799.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: Montech AIR 903 MAX ATX Mid Tower Case  ($75.00 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: Deepcool PX1000G 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($129.99 @ Newegg) 
Total: $1829.03
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-04-17 14:13 EDT-0400

16 hours ago, TheIndecisiveMollusk said:

so too high for the rest of the set up?

for the 7000mhz yes. Even 6000 CL30 would be better and cheaper

[TheIndecisiveMollusk]

7 hours ago, filpo said:

if you're not going to OC then don't worry unless you need some features on the z790. You haven't got a pcie 5 gpu or ssd so don't worry about that either

 

for the 4080 super? Should be more like 20% better in games, idk about stable diffusion

if we stick with the 4070 ti super

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i7-13700K 3.4 GHz 16-Core Processor  ($344.99 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Liquid Freezer III 56.3 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($90.08 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: MSI B760 GAMING PLUS WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($159.00 @ MSI) 
Memory: TEAMGROUP T-Create Expert 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6400 CL32 Memory  ($99.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: *Acer Predator GM7000 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($129.99 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: Gigabyte WINDFORCE OC GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER 16 GB Video Card  ($799.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: Montech AIR 903 MAX ATX Mid Tower Case  ($75.00 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: Deepcool PX1000G 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($129.99 @ Newegg) 
Total: $1829.03
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-04-17 14:13 EDT-0400

for the 7000mhz yes. Even 6000 CL30 would be better and cheaper

Thank you so much for the explanations.  Why the 1000 W PSU then?

[filpo]

5 hours ago, TheIndecisiveMollusk said:

Thank you so much for the explanations.  Why the 1000 W PSU then?

A 1000w psu should last you a long time before you need to upgrade it, and since it’s so cheap, it’s a good option