Need advice on direction of cooling. 9 fans isn't enough apparently.

[JACKO4590]

Hey guys. So I built my system a couple of months back after using a system I built nearly 7 years ago. I seem to be having issues with cooling where as I don't reckon I was before. 
Old specs were 

 

• 1080ti sli asus
• z390-a asus motherbored
• i7 9800k
• aio cpu cooler 240mm
• 32 gigs ram 3200 team force
• about 3 case fans (2 on bottom intake, one on back exhaust, 2 on aio cooler at front) - some inwin fans 120mm
• inwin infinity case.

 

Now I had upgrades to the below machine 

 

• 3080 10 gig rog strix
• z790 d4 asus tuf motherbored
• i9 13900kf
• aio Cooler Master MasterLiquid ML360L V2
• 64 gigs ram 3600 team force
• 6 case fans (3 on bottom intake, 3 on top exhaust, 3 on side on aio intake) - Cooler Master SickleFlow ARGB 120mm Fan
• Lian Li PC-O11 Dynamic

 

I have also since got a Elgato Stream Deck Plus and one of the useful apps is the HWiNFo where I am able to monitor my temps and load. 
I notice I seem to hit thermal throttle a fair bit while gaming. This was almost every time I played a game. I have since removed the mesh filters from my case (top, side and bottom) and that has decreased the temps a fair bit. But in games like Minecraft, Cities Skylines 2 and BF 2042 I am hitting t/t almost on and off all the time. 
Surely this can not be good for the computer. And While I also play AoE4 I dont see the t/t or any higher temps then about 80 in that game.

The aio pump has already been taken off and thermal paste applied a second time just in case that was the issue. Same results afterwards.

 

I am not running any AI overclocking but I do have xmp2 turned on and resizeable bar as well. (as recommended by the LTT videos I watch) 

 

What is my next step? Better aio? Bigger fans like a 140mm? I know the 13900 is a hot card. But it was pretty cheap and kinda wanted a card that will last another good 7 years. 

[Leo561]

check this out from jayz2cents- 

 

 

[JACKO4590]

I knew I came to the right spot. I've gone through this video and followed it. Lets hope this helps me out. 

[NorKris]

33 minutes ago, JACKO4590 said:

 

 

What is my next step? 

telling us what the temps are,  and under what load

[JACKO4590]

Ok running minecraft on a new world still causes it to thermal throttle. This is after disabling Asus multicore enhancement. 

 

Any other ideas I should be looking at?

[NorKris]

1 minute ago, JACKO4590 said:

Ok running minecraft on a new world still causes it to thermal throttle. This is after disabling Asus multicore enhancement. 

 

Any other ideas I should be looking at?

 

wow, 99c at 215w.. thats way too much 

[PDifolco]

38 minutes ago, JACKO4590 said:

Hey guys. So I built my system a couple of months back after using a system I built nearly 7 years ago. I seem to be having issues with cooling where as I don't reckon I was before. 
Old specs were 

 

• 1080ti sli asus
• z390-a asus motherbored
• i7 9800k
• aio cpu cooler 240mm
• 32 gigs ram 3200 team force
• about 3 case fans (2 on bottom intake, one on back exhaust, 2 on aio cooler at front) - some inwin fans 120mm
• inwin infinity case.

 

Now I had upgrades to the below machine 

 

• 3080 10 gig rog strix
• z790 d4 asus tuf motherbored
• i9 13900kf
• aio Cooler Master MasterLiquid ML360L V2
• 64 gigs ram 3600 team force
• 6 case fans (3 on bottom intake, 3 on top exhaust, 3 on side on aio intake) - Cooler Master SickleFlow ARGB 120mm Fan
• Lian Li PC-O11 Dynamic

 

I have also since got a Elgato Stream Deck Plus and one of the useful apps is the HWiNFo where I am able to monitor my temps and load. 
I notice I seem to hit thermal throttle a fair bit while gaming. This was almost every time I played a game. I have since removed the mesh filters from my case (top, side and bottom) and that has decreased the temps a fair bit. But in games like Minecraft, Cities Skylines 2 and BF 2042 I am hitting t/t almost on and off all the time. 
Surely this can not be good for the computer. And While I also play AoE4 I dont see the t/t or any higher temps then about 80 in that game.

The aio pump has already been taken off and thermal paste applied a second time just in case that was the issue. Same results afterwards.

 

I am not running any AI overclocking but I do have xmp2 turned on and resizeable bar as well. (as recommended by the LTT videos I watch) 

 

What is my next step? Better aio? Bigger fans like a 140mm? I know the 13900 is a hot card. But it was pretty cheap and kinda wanted a card that will last another good 7 years. 

No amount of case fans will help much the AIO to cool the 13900K reactor, need a better AIO or custom cooling on a delidded CPU

Get the biggest Arctic LF3 that can fit in your case, think an Intel 1700 bracket is included 

Also rad front isn't very good as it blows hot air in and severely reduces airflow in the case, top is better imo

[NorKris]

do u know the speed of the pump and the fans on the rad?

[NorKris]

4 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

No amount of case fans will help much the AIO to cool the 13900K reactor, need a better AIO or custom cooling

Get the biggest Arctic LF3 that can fit in your case

Also rad front isn't very good as it blows hot air in and severely reduces airflow in the case, top is better imo

this is wat happend when jayz tryied 319w (cine)

 

plz dont  do ur misinformation 

[JACKO4590]

5 minutes ago, NorKris said:

do u know the speed of the pump and the fans on the rad?

I hope the bottom part of this screenshot will help you. This is me playing bf2042 on med settings windowed (was black screening and fans on 100 crashing to computer restart before on default)

[NorKris]

4 minutes ago, JACKO4590 said:

I hope the bottom part of this screenshot will help you. This is me playing bf2042 on med settings windowed (was black screening and fans on 100 crashing to computer restart before on default)

 

looks like max..

 

we all like to look at pics of nice looking pc's,  any chance of a pc picture? 

[JACKO4590]

5 minutes ago, NorKris said:

looks like max..

 

we all like to look at pics of nice looking pc's,  any chance of a pc picture? 

I hope these help. 

[NorKris]

3 minutes ago, JACKO4590 said:

I hope these help. 

its pure pc porn   

two things comes to mind:

1: fans do better in push than pull, (and the sicle flows are... yeee)

2: the block is not tight enough against the cpu maybe?  (one time i mounted the legs on the cpu block the wrong way and i got temps like u) 

 

 

[PDifolco]

55 minutes ago, NorKris said:

this is wat happend when jayz tryied 319w (cine)

 

plz dont  do ur misinformation 

What did he do ? Slapped an A/C as "case fan" ?

[NorKris]

2 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

What did he do ? Slapped an A/C as "case fan" ?

360 aio 

[PDifolco]

8 minutes ago, NorKris said:

360 aio 

I'm lost here what misinformation did my post spread ? I just said OP 360 AIO is not a good enough one if it throttles at 220W

[jaslion]

12 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

What did he do ? Slapped an A/C as "case fan" ?

High end aio + undervolt if I remember correctly

 

Op has a ml 360 something a peerless assasin beats

[NorKris]

3 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

No amount of case fans will help much the AIO to cool the 13900K reactor, need a better AIO or custom cooling on a delidded CPU

wrong. 

 

1 hour ago, PDifolco said:

 

Also rad front isn't very good as it blows hot air in and severely reduces airflow in the case, top is better imo

this does INCREASE temps, we want them down. 

[NorKris]

5 minutes ago, jaslion said:

Op has a ml 360 something a peerless assasin beats

no air beats a 360

[Fasauceome]

Just now, NorKris said:

no air beats a 360

That's not the point here but it's also not necessarily true. 

 

1 hour ago, PDifolco said:

an Intel 1700 bracket

This might be the best addition to this particular PC for CPU temps, any of the high end i9 and i7 CPUs benefit a ton from the bracket. 

[NorKris]

3 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

That's not the point here but it's also not necessarily true. 

no? 

the bigger surface area

the bigger area for fresh air

the front intake 

the push pull benefit 

and the fact that nhd 15 was beat by a 120  

[Fasauceome]

1 minute ago, NorKris said:

the bigger surface area

the bigger area for fresh air

the push pull benefit

Something like a peerless assassin has absolutely massive surface area, and push pull, and area for fresh air despite the fin density. 

 

I'm still not gonna recommend that @JACKO4590 get a new cooler. I think the LGA 1700 bracket is the best move here. 

[jaslion]

3 minutes ago, NorKris said:

no air beats a 360

Its a ml 360 the worst aio there is.

 

Here's a review

 

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/thermalright-peerless-assassin-120-se/2

 

The fl's are the new BETTER versions and they dnf on no power limits whilst the peerless is chilling.

 

The ml 360a and fl 360 are simply bad coolers

[jaslion]

Just now, Fasauceome said:

Something like a peerless assassin has absolutely massive surface area, and push pull, and area for fresh air despite the fin density. 

 

I'm still not gonna recommend that @JACKO4590 get a new cooler. I think the LGA 1700 bracket is the best move here. 

Absolutly that will give a good bit of reduction already.

[NorKris]

5 minutes ago, jaslion said:

Its a ml 360 the worst aio there is.

 

Here's a review

 

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/thermalright-peerless-assassin-120-se/2

 

The fl's are the new BETTER versions and they dnf on no power limits whilst the peerless is chilling.

 

The ml 360a and fl 360 are simply bad coolers

can u tell me that happens when u   front mount / intake mount    an AIO?