are 10th and 11th gen cpus are really outdated nowdays?

[bal723]

so i looked at how people's builds are 12th gen, 13th gen, ryzen 7000 series
and thought "хмммм, мне кажется что мой ай3 уже очень стар, мне стоит обновиться до 11го поколения (hmmmm, i think my i3 is already very old, i should upgrade to 11th gen atleast"
does it worth upgrading to 11th gen considering i will get money on my birthday soon (i was planning on getting 3d printer instead)

[filpo]

1 minute ago, bal723 said:

does it worth upgrading to 11th gen considering i will get money on my birthday soon

no, they're not good value, they perform about the same as 10th gen

[MiszS]

Nah, 11th gen is too old at this point for new builds, you should get like a 5600, or other am4 cpu, or 12th gen, so you can later upgrade to a better cpu

[Hinjima]

1 minute ago, bal723 said:

so i looked at how people's builds are 12th gen, 13th gen, ryzen 7000 series
and thought "хмммм, мне кажется что мой ай3 уже очень стар, мне стоит обновиться до 11го поколения (hmmmm, i think my i3 is already very old, i should upgrade to 11th gen atleast"
does it worth upgrading to 11th gen considering i will get money on my birthday soon (i was planning on getting 3d printer instead)

What do you do with the PC? Gaming?

[ItTakes2ToMango]

I wouldn't say it's old, I'd say it's not worth the price when 12th gen+ is such a leap forward from 11th gen and earlier

[bal723]

1 minute ago, Hinjima said:

What do you do with the PC? Gaming?

yes, mostly some demanding games like cyberpunk and beamng

[bal723]

2 minutes ago, MiszS said:

Nah, 11th gen is too old at this point for new builds, you should get like a 5600, or other am4 cpu, or 12th gen, so you can later upgrade to a better cpu

that means ill have to get rid of b560m and my current cpu

[zinco]

4 minutes ago, bal723 said:

so i looked at how people's builds are 12th gen, 13th gen, ryzen 7000 series
and thought "хмммм, мне кажется что мой ай3 уже очень стар, мне стоит обновиться до 11го поколения (hmmmm, i think my i3 is already very old, i should upgrade to 11th gen atleast"
does it worth upgrading to 11th gen considering i will get money on my birthday soon (i was planning on getting 3d printer instead)

even if its outdated, if it suits your workloads, then its fine. 

[bal723]

1 minute ago, zinco said:

even if its outdated, if it suits your workloads, then its fine. 

i thought of upgrading to intel b series gpu in future, or maybe an a750 would be fine for what i play, does 11th gen has enough power to support any of them?

[Fasauceome]

6 minutes ago, bal723 said:

does it worth upgrading to 11th gen considering i will get money on my birthday soon (i was planning on getting 3d printer instead)

An 11th gen i3 would be no better than a 10th gen i3.

 

The CPUs are decent value, if you are getting them used at a low price. I am still rocking my 8th gen i7, which does a good job in the games I choose to play, and the performance would not be so different

2 minutes ago, bal723 said:

that means ill have to get rid of b560m and my current cpu

I wouldn't recommend ditching your setup until you consider used stuff

[Dedayog]

6 minutes ago, bal723 said:

so i looked at how people's builds are 12th gen, 13th gen, ryzen 7000 series
and thought "хмммм, мне кажется что мой ай3 уже очень стар, мне стоит обновиться до 11го поколения (hmmmm, i think my i3 is already very old, i should upgrade to 11th gen atleast"
does it worth upgrading to 11th gen considering i will get money on my birthday soon (i was planning on getting 3d printer instead)

A 10th gen i3 is a bit light on power these days, but still useful.  What's your entire build?

 

If you're young enough to need to wait for birthday money.... may want to realize I'm 50 with a 6-figure job.  So comparing yourself to others may not be the most apples to apples thing to do

 

If your machine is doing what you need, cool.  If not, figure out what is the weakest link and address it.

[porina]

10th gen was the last of the Skylake derived line, and 11th gen bought with it many improvements that are overlooked because all the mainstream reviewers did was look at gaming. Going from a 4 to 6 or 8 core can give a decent uplift regardless. The question is at what cost. If it is cheaper to get something newer, might as well do that. But if you can find something used at reasonable cost, why not?

[bal723]

Just now, Dedayog said:

A 10th gen i3 is a bit light on power these days, but still useful.  What's your entire build?

 

If you're young enough to need to wait for birthday money.... may want to realize I'm 50 with a 6-figure job.  So comparing yourself to others may not be the most apples to apples thing to do

 

If your machine is doing what you need, cool.  If not, figure out what is the weakest link and address it.

i3 10105f
gigabyte arc a380 gaming oc 2750mhz
gigabyte b560m h mobo
512gb hdd
500w psu
and an useless 16gb optane for now, it wont work without 11th gen, as m2p_c nvme slot wont too without 11th gen

[bal723]

1 minute ago, porina said:

10th gen was the last of the Skylake derived line, and 11th gen bought with it many improvements that are overlooked because all the mainstream reviewers did was look at gaming. Going from a 4 to 6 or 8 core can give a decent uplift regardless. The question is at what cost. If it is cheaper to get something newer, might as well do that. But if you can find something used at reasonable cost, why not?

i5 11400f is 8k rub in my country which is equivalent to 90$

[PDifolco]

12 minutes ago, bal723 said:

i3 10105f
gigabyte arc a380 gaming oc 2750mhz
gigabyte b560m h mobo
512gb hdd
500w psu
and an useless 16gb optane for now, it wont work without 11th gen, as m2p_c nvme slot wont too without 11th gen

Well the worst part is the HDD, get a SSD tovaritch  

Cheap upgrade would be a 10400 or 10600, but they're already old, and won't really game faster

Else you have to upgrade everything, get a 7600 and board + DDR5, that will last and be upgradable

[bal723]

1 minute ago, PDifolco said:

Well the worst part is the HDD, get a SSD tovaritch  

Cheap upgrade would be a 10400 or 10600, but they're already old, and won't really game faster

Else you have to upgrade everything, get a 7600 and board + DDR5, that will last and be upgradable

this option is pretty expensive and hard to do (will need to transfer all data on less living ssd disk), as i will just get rid of hdd with no gains whatsoever

[Dedayog]

15 minutes ago, bal723 said:

this option is pretty expensive and hard to do (will need to transfer all data on less living ssd disk), as i will just get rid of hdd with no gains whatsoever

What does this  mean?  Why can't you buy  an SSD, clone the HDD to it?

 

Are SSD's really expensive where you are?

[bal723]

2 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

What does this  mean?  Why can't you buy  an SSD, clone the HDD to it?

 

Are SSD's really expensive where you are?

yes, they take 10k for 1tb ssd

[tkitch]

If you find a cheap i7 10700k or 11700k?  It might be worth upgrading.

But if you spend a bunch on the CPU?  It's 100% not worth the upgrade.  

Price out a "moderate" build on a 13600K, and compare the price of a DDR4 Mobo + 13600k vs a CPU Upgrade.

 

Then figure out which is a better deal for you.

[bal723]

2 minutes ago, tkitch said:

If you find a cheap i7 10700k or 11700k?  It might be worth upgrading.

But if you spend a bunch on the CPU?  It's 100% not worth the upgrade.  

Price out a "moderate" build on a 13600K, and compare the price of a DDR4 Mobo + 13600k vs a CPU Upgrade.

 

Then figure out which is a better deal for you.

the problem with 12 gen and later is optane support

[tkitch]

Just now, bal723 said:

the problem with 12 gen and later is optane support

I fail to see how optane could be so important, but whatever.

 

If a dead tech is that make or break for you, then you're stuck with 11th gen.  

[bal723]

1 minute ago, tkitch said:

I fail to see how optane could be so important, but whatever.

 

If a dead tech is that make or break for you, then you're stuck with 11th gen.  

eh k, atleast pcie 4.0 is still used nowdays anyway

[Dedayog]

4 minutes ago, bal723 said:

eh k, atleast pcie 4.0 is still used nowdays anyway

PCIe 4.0 isn't necessary.  

 

What's really holding you back from upgrading?  You're overthinking a lot of this stuff.

 

If you have the money to upgrade, do so.  If not, do not. 

 

How much MONEY do you have?  If 10k is not viable, then you really need to just stop and focus on something else.  If you don't have the funds,  it's not a big deal as said before.   Though how you're playing CyberPunk that costs $60+ USD, which is almost the price of a SSD.... Maybe don't play a few upcoming games and use that for the machine?

 

 

[bal723]

1 minute ago, Dedayog said:

PCIe 4.0 isn't necessary.  

 

What's really holding you back from upgrading?  You're overthinking a lot of this stuff.

 

If you have the money to upgrade, do so.  If not, do not. 

 

How much MONEY do you have?  If 10k is not viable, then you really need to just stop and focus on something else.  If you don't have the funds,  it's not a big deal as said before.   Though how you're playing CyberPunk that costs $60+ USD, which is almost the price of a SSD.... Maybe don't play a few upcoming games and use that for the machine?

 

 

the money i will prob get is around 10k on birthday, i already have 3k on my but all 13k goes for 3d printer as planned, but if i buy something else i might not get 3d printer till next new year
(oh btw cyberpunk is pirated)

[Dedayog]

32 minutes ago, bal723 said:

the money i will prob get is around 10k on birthday, i already have 3k on my but all 13k goes for 3d printer as planned, but if i buy something else i might not get 3d printer till next new year
(oh btw cyberpunk is pirated)

So you have around $140 USD.  Enough to get a 500GB SSD or a 11600K or something.

 

I took my kids machine from a 10105f to a 10600K and saw a decent boost in her games, but you may benefit more from a GPU purchase.  How much is a 6600 or 6650XT there?