PCI(e) card providing POWER?

[da na]

Working on a project to convert a massive mid 2000s PowerEdge server into a custom case desktop, and the SATA power is an issue I am running into. Molex power comes from the SAS backplane board but this is not something I want in the new case since the SAS card and backplane take a ludicrous amount of space and I do not need them. However, the backplane does all the conversion from PSU connector to 12v/5v for drives, so there is nowhere else I can get SATA, Molex, or floppy power other than this board. 

Because of this, is there some sort of card that can pull Molex or SATA power from the PCI-X or PCI-E slots? This seems like the best solution to get SATA drives and Molex fans running on the computer.

Thanks!

[tkitch]

absolutely not.

 

There's no way to use a PCIE Card to get molex / SATA power out of it.  Even if you could, those slots are very low draw limit.    You need the custom hardware shit in that box to make it work.  

[da na]

10 minutes ago, tkitch said:

absolutely not.

 

There's no way to use a PCIE Card to get molex / SATA power out of it.  Even if you could, those slots are very low draw limit.    You need the custom hardware shit in that box to make it work.  

Thanks, guess I'll be hooking up an external PSU to run fans. 

[thrasher_565]

there are pcie sata slot ssd/m.2 but for gpu power you probly would have to only use what the slot can give normaly 75w and under...

uness you can add another psu in the case? or a power brick or somthing... still would not be recomed for gpu power.

 

[da na]

3 minutes ago, thrasher_565 said:

there are pcie sata slot ssd/m.2 but for gpu power you probly would have to only use what the slot can give normaly 75w and under...

uness you can add another psu in the case? or a power brick or somthing... still would not be recomed for gpu power.

 

Not doing GPU power here, only want to power one SATA drive and a few fans. Will probably use an external 12volt brick and pull 5v power from USB ports.

[thrasher_565]

4 minutes ago, da na said:

Not doing GPU power here, only want to power one SATA drive and a few fans. Will probably use an external 12volt brick and pull 5v power from USB ports.

ya there are pcie ssd and m.2 that dont need external sata power.

fans can run off usb i would think depends on fan and how many.

 

https://www.amazon.ca/GINTOOYUN-Controller-Dissipation-Mainframes-Motherboards/dp/B09CYX2TJN/ref=sr_1_104?crid=2NS02H6AX1WK7&keywords=pcie+ssd&qid=1695150911&sprefix=pcie+ssd%2Caps%2C251&sr=8-104

 

https://www.amazon.ca/GLOTRENDS-SFF-8639-Adapter-Desktop-Installation/dp/B099185SSV/ref=sr_1_114?crid=2NS02H6AX1WK7&keywords=pcie+ssd&qid=1695150936&sprefix=pcie+ssd%2Caps%2C251&sr=8-114

Edited September 19, 2023 by thrasher_565

[da na]

1 minute ago, thrasher_565 said:

ya there are pcie ssd and m.2 that dont need external sata power.

fans can run off usb i would think depends on fan and how many.

 

https://www.amazon.ca/GINTOOYUN-Controller-Dissipation-Mainframes-Motherboards/dp/B09CYX2TJN/ref=sr_1_104?crid=2NS02H6AX1WK7&keywords=pcie+ssd&qid=1695150911&sprefix=pcie+ssd%2Caps%2C251&sr=8-104

 

https://www.amazon.ca/GLOTRENDS-SFF-8639-Adapter-Desktop-Installation/dp/B099185SSV/ref=sr_1_114?crid=2NS02H6AX1WK7&keywords=pcie+ssd&qid=1695150936&sprefix=pcie+ssd%2Caps%2C251&sr=8-114

This is a 20-year-old server mind you. Long before boot from PCIe SSDs existed

[thrasher_565]

1 minute ago, da na said:

This is a 20-year-old server mind you. Long before boot from PCIe SSDs existed

the m.2 runs off sata so it basically an expensive ssd but m.2 ruing at sata speeds... thow there might be some cash benefit thow...

Edited September 19, 2023 by thrasher_565

[da na]

1 minute ago, thrasher_565 said:

the m.2 runs off sata so it basically an expensive ssd but m.2 ruing at sata speeds... thow there might be some cash benefit thow...

but that still will not work

[thrasher_565]

4 minutes ago, da na said:

but that still will not work

why? if it has pcie it sould work. all sata as far as i no is backward compatible just at lower speed...

there also usb 3.0 to ssd.

Edited September 19, 2023 by thrasher_565

[da na]

1 minute ago, thrasher_565 said:

why? if it has pcie it sould work. all sata as far as i no is backward compatible just at lower speed...

it cannot boot from PCIe cards, and I believe the adapters you linked will boot from PCIe? Or am I misunderstanding, and somehow they get power from PCIe and use regular SATA for data? I'd prefer to use my current HDD for this system but if need be, your solution seems like it might be good.

[thrasher_565]

11 minutes ago, da na said:

it cannot boot from PCIe cards, and I believe the adapters you linked will boot from PCIe? Or am I misunderstanding, and somehow they get power from PCIe and use regular SATA for data? I'd prefer to use my current HDD for this system but if need be, your solution seems like it might be good.

there are nvm m.2 and then there the older m.2 with that adaptor to sata (data) plugs in to a sata port on the mb.

there probably an ssd pcie with sata data ill look for that too.

 

https://www.amazon.ca/Express-Adapter-Circuit-connector-included/dp/B01452SP1O/ref=sr_1_128?crid=2NS02H6AX1WK7&keywords=pcie+ssd&qid=1695151846&sprefix=pcie+ssd%2Caps%2C251&sr=8-128&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.b06bdbbe-20fd-4ebc-88cf-fa04f1ca0da8

 

https://www.amazon.ca/Adapter-Converter-Reader-Performance-Bridge/dp/B0BK1FV4BS/ref=sr_1_272?crid=2NS02H6AX1WK7&keywords=pcie+ssd&qid=1695152265&sprefix=pcie+ssd%2Caps%2C251&sr=8-272

Edited September 19, 2023 by thrasher_565

[da na]

30 minutes ago, thrasher_565 said:

there are nvm m.2 and then there the older m.2 with that adaptor to sata (data) plugs in to a sata port on the mb.

there probably an ssd pcie with sata data ill look for that too.

 

https://www.amazon.ca/Express-Adapter-Circuit-connector-included/dp/B01452SP1O/ref=sr_1_128?crid=2NS02H6AX1WK7&keywords=pcie+ssd&qid=1695151846&sprefix=pcie+ssd%2Caps%2C251&sr=8-128&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.b06bdbbe-20fd-4ebc-88cf-fa04f1ca0da8

 

https://www.amazon.ca/Adapter-Converter-Reader-Performance-Bridge/dp/B0BK1FV4BS/ref=sr_1_272?crid=2NS02H6AX1WK7&keywords=pcie+ssd&qid=1695152265&sprefix=pcie+ssd%2Caps%2C251&sr=8-272

Awesome, that might work. Thank you for your help, I will buy an mSATA or M.2 drive and use this adapter.

[thrasher_565]

there usb3.o to ssd and some with power brisk also.

 

will any of this work i dont no...

 

https://www.amazon.ca/BENFEI-SATA-Drive-Adapter-Cable/dp/B07F7WDZGT/ref=sr_1_6?crid=167I2WMWTMCL7&keywords=usb%2Bto%2Bsata&qid=1695153818&sprefix=usb%2Bto%2Bsata%2Caps%2C142&sr=8-6&th=1

 

https://www.amazon.ca/UGREEN-Converter-Adapter-2-5-3-5Inch-Supports/dp/B016JTH8FA/ref=sr_1_4?crid=167I2WMWTMCL7&keywords=usb+to+sata&qid=1695153845&sprefix=usb+to+sata%2Caps%2C142&sr=8-4

 

https://www.amazon.ca/SATA-Hard-Drive-Adapter-Cable/dp/B0C9Z2F6Z5/ref=sr_1_10?crid=167I2WMWTMCL7&keywords=usb+to+sata&qid=1695153867&sprefix=usb+to+sata%2Caps%2C142&sr=8-10

 

https://www.amazon.ca/SATA-Power-Cable-Driver-Useful/dp/B098765JTJ/ref=sr_1_40?crid=167I2WMWTMCL7&keywords=usb%2Bto%2Bsata&qid=1695153908&sprefix=usb%2Bto%2Bsata%2Caps%2C142&sr=8-40&th=1

 

https://www.amazon.ca/MEIRIYFA-15-Pin-Female-Slimline-Adapter/dp/B09XK811Z9/ref=sr_1_215?crid=17POT6U0UPD38&keywords=usb+to+sata+power&qid=1695154250&sprefix=usb+to+sata+power%2Caps%2C139&sr=8-215

 

https://www.amazon.ca/LIANXUE-Essential-Notebook-Computer-Durability/dp/B0CF5CHRCM/ref=sr_1_272?crid=17POT6U0UPD38&keywords=usb%2Bto%2Bsata%2Bpower&qid=1695154359&sprefix=usb%2Bto%2Bsata%2Bpower%2Caps%2C139&sr=8-272&th=1

 

https://www.amazon.ca/CRJ-Voltage-Step-Up-Sleeved-Adapter/dp/B07QFG6LFR/ref=sr_1_16?crid=3C0N6PPTVQ0IG&keywords=usb+to+molex+power&qid=1695154477&sprefix=usb+to+molex+power%2Caps%2C143&sr=8-16

 

https://www.amazon.ca/Gebildet-Sleeve-Power-Adapter-Connector/dp/B09HGLN7CX/ref=sr_1_19?crid=3C0N6PPTVQ0IG&keywords=usb+to+molex+power&qid=1695154533&sprefix=usb+to+molex+power%2Caps%2C143&sr=8-19

 

imo a power brick might be best for fans and sata power imo thow

Edited September 19, 2023 by thrasher_565

[jaslion]

On 9/19/2023 at 9:03 PM, da na said:

Thanks, guess I'll be hooking up an external PSU to run fans. 

What poweredge?

 

Some dremels and boom instant standard pc psu fits.

 

Been there done that with a poweredge 2900. Even modded the fans to be 4pin controllable on a server fan board to then slow them down to 800rpm.

 

Ended up making my own backplane by using the old one as standoff holders for the sas connections.

 

Was only worth it because I had a lot of crap for free tho

[da na]

5 hours ago, jaslion said:

What poweredge?

 

Some dremels and boom instant standard pc psu fits.

 

Been there done that with a poweredge 2900. Even modded the fans to be 4pin controllable on a server fan board to then slow them down to 800rpm.

 

Ended up making my own backplane by using the old one as standoff holders for the sas connections.

 

Was only worth it because I had a lot of crap for free tho

Poweredge 2900 Mk3. Would love to know how to connect a standard PSU since it uses a 24-pin connector, but then not a standard 4-pin for CPU power. Also would like to know how to control fans.