whats the best graphics card i can pair with a Ryzen 5 5600X without too much of a bottleneck

[sammywammy132]

whats the best graphics card i can pair with a Ryzen 5 5600X without too much of a bottleneck, budget is not an issue im just curious whats the best possible graphics card i could get with this cpu, i have 32 gb of ram and rog stix b550-f motherboard 

 

 

[Alcarin]

You could probably put in a 3080 or 4070 without encountering significant bottlenecks. The 5600X is still a very good CPU.

[mikaelus]

4090 if you play at 4k (like I do). Basically, at higher resolutions and full details every GPU is going to be a bottleneck, not the CPU. I have 5600x myself and am not planning to change it, because there's zero to gain. Look up YT benchmarks to see that basically anything above 5600x for gaming at 4k is a waste of money, so you can pair it with the most powerful GPUs.

 

If you play at a lower resolution then you might be safe with something cheaper, as the CPU is going to be the bottleneck instead.

[podkall]

Bottleneck for CPUs like 5600x is still present but that's expected, for GPUs to pair, everything midtier, or even some lower high range cards.

 

To be straight, you can pair 5600x with 4090, but expect on average 50-100-200 less fps compared to pairing it with faster CPUs (200fps for esport titles)

 

So something like 3080, 4070 or AMD equivalent

 

2 minutes ago, mikaelus said:

because there's zero to gain.

there could be a potential gain, though not sure on 4K though, you may be right with that:

 

 

[mikaelus]

3 minutes ago, podkall said:

there could be a potential gain, though not sure on 4K though, you may be right with that:

 

 

I don't know about specific esports titles but in older games it might be true that there's a performance limit as they are too basic to saturate the 4090 even at max settings. I was mainly thinking about performance in newest AAA games, if you want to crank everything to the max (like Cyberpunk).

 

PS. To be fair, depending on the games played performance between AMD and Nvidia cards even on a comparable price shelf could be wildly different (as much as 30% or more in rare cases), so that's something to consider as well.

[emosun]

a 4090. bottlenecks occur through usage not just the parts existing in the machine

[Middcore]

The best graphics card that exists.

 

A 5600X is not a meaningful bottleneck for any current game. 

 

At higher resolutions, the GPU will almost always be the determining factor of performance.

 

At lower resolutions (1080p) the CPU could have an impact but you also wouldn't be likely to spend the money for a GPU powerful enough that it would come into play if you're only running at 1080p. I mean, maybe the 5600X would be a bottleneck at 1080p with a 4090, but why are you buying a 4090 to play at 1080p? You have the budget for a 4090 but not a new CPU or display?

[podkall]

11 minutes ago, Middcore said:

At lower resolutions (1080p) the CPU could have an impact but you also wouldn't be likely to spend the money for a GPU powerful enough that it would come into play if you're only running at 1080p.

don't tempt the human "capability"

 

15 minutes ago, emosun said:

a 4090. bottlenecks occur through usage not just the parts existing in the machine

4090 gets bottlenecked more likely at resolutions lower than 4k

[Agall]

1 hour ago, mikaelus said:

4090 if you play at 4k (like I do). Basically, at higher resolutions and full details every GPU is going to be a bottleneck, not the CPU. I have 5600x myself and am not planning to change it, because there's zero to gain. Look up YT benchmarks to see that basically anything above 5600x for gaming at 4k is a waste of money, so you can pair it with the most powerful GPUs.

 

If you play at a lower resolution then you might be safe with something cheaper, as the CPU is going to be the bottleneck instead.

Not true, its mostly dependent on the types of games that are played. In single threaded games that don't handshake with servers and/or CPU draw calls for player/NPC positioning, those games will usually be GPU bound at 4K ultra. Even then, those games can show very small differences because of single threaded performance, but marginal at best, in most cases at high resolution, not worth the hundreds of dollars required to upgrade.

 

However, in a game like Warframe, there's those situations and more, where the game can run up to 1200 fps if you engineer the scenario correctly at 1080p ultra (mind you with a top specced system). Yet in that same scenario, a 4790k and 7950x3D reached the same framerate at 500 fps when using 4K ultra.

 

Other scenarios where there's player positioning involved, the limitations of a lesser CPU start to really show, like REALLY show. Yes, I'm talking about a 4790k vs 7950x3D, but anyone could easily plot their CPU's relative performance somewhere between them to figure out what they should be able to reach, assuming their WAN connection is of low latency and stable.

 

I use Warframe specifically to demonstrate this because it has a substantial variety of environments which is why there's 13 scenarios (some in the same location with different variables) to properly show the difference, at least within reason. The framerate variability range is higher than any other games I know, being anywhere from 30-1200 fps while being extremely high fidelity. Its been an impressively optimized game for the last +10 years I've played it on various systems.

[emosun]

43 minutes ago, podkall said:

4090 gets bottlenecked more likely at resolutions lower than 4k

you accidentally quoted me

[podkall]

Just now, emosun said:

you accidentally quoted me

no

[emosun]

1 minute ago, podkall said:

no

you sure? because you typed something that had little to do with what i typed.

[podkall]

33 minutes ago, emosun said:

you sure? because you typed something that had little to do with what i typed.

yeah because you think bottlenecks aren't hardware related

[emosun]

2 hours ago, podkall said:

yeah because you think bottlenecks aren't hardware related

they aren't hardware related they're usage related. not knowing that shows a fundamental lack of knowledge of what a bottleneck is.

under your assumption the machine would have a bottleneck even if it wasn't powered on which is pretty funny

[DeerDK]

Correct me if I'm completely wrong, but isn't higher tier cpus mostly for people with production tasks, or who run multiple background tasks while gaming, and then e-sport titles and data/calculation heavy complex games like Factorio, Civ or Victoria 3. 

 

I have a 5600x myself and had looked into whether getting a 5800x3d made sense, but ultimately it wouldn't be a meaningfull gain right now... Don't know if future brings games that makes 5600x choke but the 5800x3d can chew through 

[podkall]

9 hours ago, emosun said:

they aren't hardware related they're usage related. not knowing that shows a fundamental lack of knowledge of what a bottleneck is.

under your assumption the machine would have a bottleneck even if it wasn't powered on which is pretty funny

well if you go into details I could also call you bofoon for not specifying what kind of usage are you talking about

[podkall]

2 hours ago, DeerDK said:

Correct me if I'm completely wrong, but isn't higher tier cpus mostly for people with production tasks, or who run multiple background tasks while gaming, and then e-sport titles and data/calculation heavy complex games like Factorio, Civ or Victoria 3. 

you're right

 

2 hours ago, DeerDK said:

I have a 5600x myself and had looked into whether getting a 5800x3d made sense, but ultimately it wouldn't be a meaningfull gain right now... Don't know if future brings games that makes 5600x choke but the 5800x3d can chew through

what resolution do you play on?

[DeerDK]

20 minutes ago, podkall said:

you're right

 

what resolution do you play on?

1080p single-player. 

Currently BG3, but awaiting StarField and Cyberpunk 2077 Phantom liberty. Apart from that I play Paradox titles and civilization and such. Got a bit into PUBG few months back, but that didn't stress my pc at all. 

[podkall]

4 minutes ago, DeerDK said:

1080p single-player. 

Currently BG3, but awaiting StarField and Cyberpunk 2077 Phantom liberty. Apart from that I play Paradox titles and civilization and such. Got a bit into PUBG few months back, but that didn't stress my pc at all. 

yeah with 3060, you'd probably get almost no increased performance on CPU upgrade,

 

cool PC btw

[DeerDK]

43 minutes ago, podkall said:

yeah with 3060, you'd probably get almost no increased performance on CPU upgrade,

 

cool PC btw

Thanks

I'm currently shopping for another gpu as I wanna use my mITX case and my gpu doesn't fit. 

Awaiting the rx 7700 /7800 to see if they are relevant 

[podkall]

3 minutes ago, DeerDK said:

Thanks

I'm currently shopping for another gpu as I wanna use my mITX case and my gpu doesn't fit. 

Awaiting the rx 7700 /7800 to see if they are relevant 

so you just have 3060 in your table's drawer?

[DeerDK]

3 minutes ago, podkall said:

so you just have 3060 in your table's drawer?

Nope. Got a mATX case with it. It was in the summer 2021 and it was offered to me on a good discount because my e-tailer could not deliver the Sapphire 5600 xt I had ordered. Under the circumstances I couldn't really be too choosy, but I've been annoyed with not using my mITX case ever since