thermal paste on CPU coolers

[tdkid]

i am not sure where this belongs as its not one specific topic but i would like to know two things for those willing to help. i know that some CLCs/AIOs come with pre-applied thermal paste on the CPU block. i would like to know 1. do you remove that paste and then apply whatever you want? and 2. if so what do you add? i know of corsair, thermal grizzly, thermaltake and some others but just curious. 

[_Omega_]

i just use the preapplied stuff but i change my paste about once a year and for that i use Arctic MX-6 its the best value in my opinion 

[Dedayog]

I use preapplied when new but if redoing I use Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut.

[danalog]

The preapplied paste will be fine. When repasting, Kryonaut is about the best out there.

[tdkid]

thanks guys. i will look into these and sorry for the past messages on my cyber security post. i was not having the best day and just really needed some validation in what i thought was right was correct which you guys went against me and it made me feel a little worse so i lashed out a little. i no longer deal with what caused that and i feel so much better now so thank you for putting up with me. 

[Needfuldoer]

I don't use fancy thermal paste, mostly because I tinker with my homelab machines a lot. I got a bunch of the cheap gray stuff in a 5-pack of big syringes, so far I've only put a dent in one of them.

 

Even when I put together a machine that's going to stay together, I'll use the preapplied paste. It works fine, and I'm not trying to break any overclocking records anyway.

[Beerzerker]

All I can say is for the price per gram, Kryonaut is overpriced vs the results you get from other TIM's.

You won't see enough difference between results from Kryonaut vs MX6 for example to make Kryonaut "Worth it" in terms of what you pay for the stuff. You also must remember Kryonaut was made and formulated for subzero use, that's why the stuff is so expensive per gram in the first place. 

During my time of running things at subzero I've always used MX2/MX4 and had excellent results from both, didn't have to pay nearly as much either with my results being just as good as those running Kryonaut.


As for the pre-applied stuff you can simply clean that off and use whatever you want.
If you want to use Kryonaut it's your call and money to spend or whatever, for me personally I stay away from the stuff for the reasons I've listed in my case.

[Dedayog]

19 minutes ago, Beerzerker said:

All I can say is for the price per gram, Kryonaut is overpriced vs the results you get from other TIM's.

You won't see enough difference between results from Kryonaut vs MX6 for example to make Kryonaut "Worth it" in terms of what you pay for the stuff. You also must remember Kryonaut was made and formulated for subzero use, that's why the stuff is so expensive per gram in the first place. 

During my time of running things at subzero I've always used MX2/MX4 and had excellent results from both, didn't have to pay nearly as much either with my results being just as good as those running Kryonaut.


As for the pre-applied stuff you can simply clean that off and use whatever you want.
If you want to use Kryonaut it's your call and money to spend or whatever, for me personally I stay away from the stuff for the reasons I've listed in my case.

Is there a reason you're going off about Kryonaut?  Seems a little focused.  

[Sil3nt1]

I use a graphite thermal pad for cpu cooler

[StDragon]

1 hour ago, Sil3nt1 said:

I use a graphite thermal pad for cpu cooler

This is the way.

Graphite thermal pads are easy to apply, and don't "degrade" in terms of drying or pumping out. They won't be as good the best performing paste and liquid metal, but for safety, simplicity, and longevity, do you really need your CPU to be 5c cooler than what a good graphite pad can provide?

Unless you're OCing or into competition, ditch the ooze.

https://www.innovationcooling.com/products/ic-graphite-thermal-pad/

https://www.thermal-grizzly.com/en/products/625-kryosheet-en

[tdkid]

thanks everyone. i just went to a micro center and bought the asus ROG strix b650e-f gaming wifi board with a ryzen 9 7950x3d with 64GB of gskill flare x 5 RAM bundle and because of going from intel to AMD, my old CPU cooler that i admit is from a prebuild that is even older, will not work so i have been looking at all kinds of air coolers and AIOs/CLCs, some of which come with the paste already applied so i wanted info from people more informed than me if they remove the paste and put something else on because admittedly who knows how long that paste has been on that part before being bought and then installed. 

[Beerzerker]

2 hours ago, Dedayog said:

Is there a reason you're going off about Kryonaut?  Seems a little focused.  

Not going off about it - Just the truth of it and saying as much about it.

Kryonaut, while it does work it is overhyped for what it is - Definitely overpriced per gram for daily useage applications when it's really intended and formulated for XOC stuff anyway.

All I'm saying here is why spend more than you have to for what amounts to the same results?
It's not like most here are pouring Ln2 into their case for higher CPU speeds and better FPS while gaming online..... But I'm sure if that could be done with any practicality, someone here would do it.

 

[Dedayog]

2 minutes ago, Beerzerker said:

Not going off about it - Just the truth of it and saying as much about it.

Kryonaut, while it does work it is overhyped for what it is - Definitely overpriced per gram for daily useage applications when it's really intended and formulated for XOC stuff anyway.

All I'm saying here is why spend more than you have to for what amounts to the same results?
It's not like most here are pouring Ln2 into their case for higher CPU speeds and better FPS while gaming online..... But I'm sure if that could be done with any practicality, someone here would do it.

 

I get that, but it's odd to mention it at length and talk about value when you're playing with LN2 and subzero temps, which is a much much much larger waste of money than a couple extra bucks for a thermal paste.  

 

Like saying it's dumb for me to use UHP tires for my daily driver, but you do on your race car.

 

100% get it, Kryonaut isn't the best value for everyday use. 

 

At the end of the day it performs really well and if someone throws a few bucks away over it, isn't a big deal.

[tdkid]

with the ways you guys are going back and forth, i can kind of see needing Kryonaut for the 13900k CPUs with them running hot.

[Dedayog]

Just now, tdkid said:

with the ways you guys are going back and forth, i can kind of see needing Kryonaut for the 13900k CPUs with them running hot.

Eh, we're just arguing over nothing.  It's what passionate enthusiasts do.

 

It's all good, it's just a sticky grey goop after all.

[tdkid]

1 minute ago, Dedayog said:

Eh, we're just arguing over nothing.  It's what passionate enthusiasts do.

 

It's all good, it's just a sticky grey goop after all.

i figured you two were but if Kryonaut is better at subzero then it would probably be better to use on aircool or CLC/AIOs for the latest intel CPUs with how hot they are running. but with all of what you have said, i am looking into all of them to see what i like and what i think will work best for me and to be honest, most of it will as i done really have any plans to stupidily overclock everything where needing LN2 and a 1000W+ PSU on each part will be needed. 

[freeagent]

Does that Kryonaut stuff still pump out?

 

If so that is pretty weak..

 

I use SYY-157 most of the time. Its cheap, and its really good stuff. Don't need much.

[Beerzerker]

6 hours ago, Dedayog said:

I get that, but it's odd to mention it at length and talk about value when you're playing with LN2 and subzero temps, which is a much much much larger waste of money than a couple extra bucks for a thermal paste.  

 

Like saying it's dumb for me to use UHP tires for my daily driver, but you do on your race car.

 

100% get it, Kryonaut isn't the best value for everyday use. 

 

At the end of the day it performs really well and if someone throws a few bucks away over it, isn't a big deal.

That goes back to:

9 hours ago, Beerzerker said:

If you want to use Kryonaut it's your call and money to spend or whatever, for me personally I stay away from the stuff for the reasons I've listed in my case.

A few bucks here - A few bucks there adds up over time and that's just something I've learned along the way.

 

6 hours ago, Dedayog said:

Eh, we're just arguing over nothing.  It's what passionate enthusiasts do.

 

It's all good, it's just a sticky grey goop after all.

Agreed.

Speaking of the above that's bolded, If things work out and if I can get a setup ready for Team Cup ready to go at subzero, it won't be done with Kryonaut.
 

[SorryBella]

6 hours ago, freeagent said:

 

I use SYY-157 most of the time. Its cheap, and its really good stuff. Don't need much.

Yeah if we go rock bottom a lot of cheap generics is surprisingly decent. if you want name brand, +1 on MX6 again. Cheap as dirt and afaik is quite resistant to pump out.

[Beerzerker]

29 minutes ago, SorryBella said:

Yeah if we go rock bottom a lot of cheap generics is surprisingly decent. if you want name brand, +1 on MX6 again. Cheap as dirt and afaik is quite resistant to pump out.

Speaking of pump out......
This has been mentioned more than once here so.... Instead of retyping the whole thing, you can read what I had to say about it here: https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/pump-out-effect-is-it-real-or-is-it-nonsense-lets-discuss.283046/post-4544811

[freeagent]

33 minutes ago, SorryBella said:

Yeah if we go rock bottom a lot of cheap generics is surprisingly decent

The only stuff better than this that I have come across is Thermalright TFX 

[tdkid]

13 hours ago, freeagent said:

The only stuff better than this that I have come across is Thermalright TFX 

with that, what do you think of the AM5 secure frame by thermalright?

[freeagent]

24 minutes ago, tdkid said:

with that, what do you think of the AM5 secure frame by thermalright?

I don't have AM5, so I cant say..

 

I have one for my Intel setup for when its ready to run though.

[TPCEA]

On 8/11/2023 at 11:09 AM, tdkid said:

i am not sure where this belongs as its not one specific topic but i would like to know two things for those willing to help. i know that some CLCs/AIOs come with pre-applied thermal paste on the CPU block. i would like to know 1. do you remove that paste and then apply whatever you want? and 2. if so what do you add? i know of corsair, thermal grizzly, thermaltake and some others but just curious. 

Unless you KNOW that it's old, just try the pre-applied thermal paste and if the temps are good, riposte it later on when the temps get high. If you're not doing anything extreme on your PC, the results I've seen suggest that most current and some older TIMs are within a few degrees of each other, so just do a little research and get a cheap one. 

[tdkid]

11 minutes ago, RevGAM said:

Unless you KNOW that it's old, just try the pre-applied thermal paste and if the temps are good, riposte it later on when the temps get high. If you're not doing anything extreme on your PC, the results I've seen suggest that most current and some older TIMs are within a few degrees of each other, so just do a little research and get a cheap one. 

well most people dont KNOW its old but it is applied at the factory, covered up to protect it, shipped to wherever and then sits on a shelf for how ever long until someone buys it. could be hours or in most cases weeks to months later.