AMD or intel

[ABADDON Aamir]

Hey guys!

What would be the best for work and study among Intel i3 13th gen to whatever the equivalent from AMD's side? 

[Eigenvektor]

Either will work just as good. Pick whatever gives you the most bang for the buck.

 

If you provide a budget, I'm sure someone will be able to tell you the best option(s) in that price bracket.

[Hinjima]

2 minutes ago, ABADDON Aamir said:

Hey guys!

What would be the best for work and study among Intel i3 13th gen to whatever the equivalent from AMD's side? 

for just work and study, no gaming?  I'd go intel, the 13100f is half the price of the cheapest AM5 CPU at the moment. However, the equivalent from AMD would probably be previous gen AM4 Ryzen 5000 series.
As written above, pick the one that is best bang for buck.

[Sanedish]

I'd say for work you are the best off with apple silicone (M1), it is way more expensive and, well, apple, but its an absolute work horse. If this is not an option, id say you are better off with an intel chip, or what ever gives you (like Eigenvektor sayd) the best bang for the buck.

[podkall]

2 minutes ago, ABADDON Aamir said:

Hey guys!

What would be the best for work and study among Intel i3 13th gen to whatever the equivalent from AMD's side? 

what kind of work and study?

[emosun]

the brand wouldn't really matter if the use case is so typical and lightweight. cpu could be made by anybody

[PDifolco]

8 minutes ago, ABADDON Aamir said:

Hey guys!

What would be the best for work and study among Intel i3 13th gen to whatever the equivalent from AMD's side? 

Which works which studies ? You need vastly different configurations for say Litterature vs AI/ML thesis ...   

[Kid.Lazer]

This sub-forum is for laptops and pre-builts (which include desktops). For which are you in the market: laptops or desktops? (I would guess laptop, but I'm not seeing any relevant context). And please give us a specific usage and budget. You will get far better help that way.

[avidgamer121]

tbh intel provides better value at budget segment (atleast in my region), amd has weird pricing in my country for some reason but i know places like USA where AMD is neck to neck infact better in most cases at budget

[Agall]

1 hour ago, ABADDON Aamir said:

Hey guys!

What would be the best for work and study among Intel i3 13th gen to whatever the equivalent from AMD's side? 

The closest to the i3 12100f/13100f is the R5 5600, which is on an obsolescent platform of AM4 versus LGA 1700 which supports 12th, 13th and possibly 14th gen.

 

When talking about CPUs specifically overall between them;

 

Advantages of AMD: efficiency, best gaming performance, generally the best part at a price point is quite obvious especially with 3D v-cache

Disadvantage of AMD: stability and bugs, fabrication is licensed out and done in Taiwan which is a geopolitical minefield right now

Overall, AMD tends to innovate to keep up by using the best technology available but lacks tested stability because of it.

 

Advantages of Intel: Stability, best raw single and multicore performance, does their own fabrication, generally works better with professional applications, quick sync

Disadvantages of Intel: efficiency, a lot more SKUs to choose between, very resistant to innovation

Overall, Intel has been able to keep up by throwing more power at the problem. Because they fabricate their own chips, retooling for better manufacturing processes is very expensive which is partly why they were on 14nm from 6th gen through 11th gen. Big-little was their biggest innovation they've had since, hyperthreading in 2002? Even then, big-little was already a stable of ARM chips.

 

TLDR: AMD has better gaming performance atm because of their willingness to take risks at a much lower power draw but lacks stability compared to Intel, who are more conservative in design. That's only modern AMD though, since Ryzen's MCM architecture was a make or break for the company's future which was successful enough to kick Intel off its butt. If Intel hadn't sat on their hands for so long between 6th and 8th generation, Ryzen would've probably never gotten enough market share to reach 5th generation.

 

The reality is if Intel was manufacturing their CPUs on 5nm like Ryzen 7000 is (CCDs specifically) then we wouldn't be having this debate. Intel would wipe the floor with AMD on performance across the board if the manufacturing processes were equal.

[ABADDON Aamir]

22 hours ago, podkall said:

what kind of work and study?

Some PPT and word, basically just mostly office 

[ABADDON Aamir]

22 hours ago, PDifolco said:

Which works which studies ? You need vastly different configurations for say Litterature vs AI/ML thesis ...   

Literature 

[ABADDON Aamir]

21 hours ago, Agall said:

The closest to the i3 12100f/13100f is the R5 5600, which is on an obsolescent platform of AM4 versus LGA 1700 which supports 12th, 13th and possibly 14th gen.

 

When talking about CPUs specifically overall between them;

 

Advantages of AMD: efficiency, best gaming performance, generally the best part at a price point is quite obvious especially with 3D v-cache

Disadvantage of AMD: stability and bugs, fabrication is licensed out and done in Taiwan which is a geopolitical minefield right now

Overall, AMD tends to innovate to keep up by using the best technology available but lacks tested stability because of it.

 

Advantages of Intel: Stability, best raw single and multicore performance, does their own fabrication, generally works better with professional applications, quick sync

Disadvantages of Intel: efficiency, a lot more SKUs to choose between, very resistant to innovation

Overall, Intel has been able to keep up by throwing more power at the problem. Because they fabricate their own chips, retooling for better manufacturing processes is very expensive which is partly why they were on 14nm from 6th gen through 11th gen. Big-little was their biggest innovation they've had since, hyperthreading in 2002? Even then, big-little was already a stable of ARM chips.

 

TLDR: AMD has better gaming performance atm because of their willingness to take risks at a much lower power draw but lacks stability compared to Intel, who are more conservative in design. That's only modern AMD though, since Ryzen's MCM architecture was a make or break for the company's future which was successful enough to kick Intel off its butt. If Intel hadn't sat on their hands for so long between 6th and 8th generation, Ryzen would've probably never gotten enough market share to reach 5th generation.

 

The reality is if Intel was manufacturing their CPUs on 5nm like Ryzen 7000 is (CCDs specifically) then we wouldn't be having this debate. Intel would wipe the floor with AMD on performance across the board if the manufacturing processes were equal.

That last paragraph is exactly why I'm asking this! 

I just need a laptop through which I can manage all my thesis and work study (literature) and a teaching job basically the MS Office stuff and mails, a laptop that can at least handle 4 hr of battery life I know Intel i3, 13th gen is good but I also know AMD is more energy efficient but I'm looking for advice to make the best decision

[Agall]

41 minutes ago, ABADDON Aamir said:

That last paragraph is exactly why I'm asking this! 

I just need a laptop through which I can manage all my thesis and work study (literature) and a teaching job basically the MS Office stuff and mails, a laptop that can at least handle 4 hr of battery life I know Intel i3, 13th gen is good but I also know AMD is more energy efficient but I'm looking for advice to make the best decision

The Ryzen 7000 series APUs are likely the best bet. I haven't seen battery consumption data on it, but based on the architecture, it should be the most power efficient x86 CPU (APU) on the market by a good margin. AMD laptops still use a monolithic die, so some of the nuance and inefficiencies that come with AMD Ryzen's desktop MCM architecture doesn't apply, but the efficient and modern manufacturing process like 5nm does.

 

Nothing compares to the M1/M2 Macbooks when it comes to efficient laptops, but that's a whole different argument.

[Darkseth]

What even is the Budget we're talking about?

 

Very few can reach the batterylife of a M2 Macbook Air, but some come close. Like Thinkpad Z13 with 1920x1200 IPS Panel + Ryzen 5 6650u 6-Core. According to Notebookcheck it reaches 14 hours on their wifi-browsing script (150 nits + a fixed Script that does stuff).

High number, so if you actually do some work, it might drop to 13, 12 or maybe 10. But should be enough for the day, especially if you use Powerplans that limit the Powerdraw (nobody needs so many Cores on 30+ Watts while typing words.

 

But if you don't mind MacOS over Windows, i highly HIGHLY recommend going for Apple Silicon. M2 Air even in 256/8gb will do the job, if it's only some office and writing.

Benefits:

- Great everything. Screen, speakers, build quality, weight, keyboard, trackpad.

- Very high and snappy everyday performance

- stays silent forever

- lasts all day long. Maybe even almost 2 full workdays, depending on what you do.

 

Can't upgrade SSD or RAM, and upgrades are pricy. Aside from that, these things are among the best computers you can buy.

 

If it doesn't have to be Microsoft Word (aka docx format etc), you can absolutely use Apple iWork (Pages, Numbers and Keynote) or Libreoffice or Google Docs.

If all your applications run there, you will have a very good time.