Thoughts on this part list - $2600 USD budget - Use: Gaming and Solidworks for computer engineering college course

[tyco12]

Budget (including currency): $2600 USD

Country: USA

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Gaming and Solidworks(for college). Not sure how much solidworks I'll be using

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MFdfJM

[Why_Me]

There's no link to your parts list.

[tyco12]

2 minutes ago, mexher123 said:

Budget (including currency): $2600 USD

Country: USA

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Gaming and Solidworks(for college). Not sure how much solidworks I'll be using

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MFdfJM

[tyco12]

Just now, Why_Me said:

There's no link to your parts list.

Sorry, just added it.

[puppo]

7 minutes ago, mexher123 said:

Budget (including currency): $2600 USD

Country: USA

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Gaming and Solidworks(for college). Not sure how much solidworks I'll be using

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MFdfJM

dont spent 100$ on a license key sir.

[tyco12]

 

1 minute ago, puppo said:

dont spent 100$ on a license key sir.

Where else could I get one

[puppo]

1 minute ago, mexher123 said:

 

Where else could I get one

you can get keys from retailers online for like 2/3$ or less. do a quick search online and u can find many things!

[tyco12]

Just now, puppo said:

you can get keys from retailers online for like 2/3$ or less. do a quick search online and u can find many things!

Are they legit though?

[puppo]

Just now, mexher123 said:

Are they legit though?

yessir, bought many for every pc build ive done and they all worked without problems, i have mine bought for w10 pro for like 1.5$ and i had it since 2020 :pp

[SomeAssemblyRequired]

Just type in Microsoft key into google and you’ll find tonnes some from what I’ve seen for less than £20 now you should be careful when picking one as many sellers can have a habit of scamming but if you get it from a website that has bells and whistles for that kind of thing you’ll be set

[Why_Me]

13 minutes ago, mexher123 said:

 

Where else could I get one

Stick with the legit Windows. You don't want to use a Z690 board for a DDR5 build due to inferior DDR5 support vs the newer 7XX series boards.  This puts you into a 10x better case and a board with superior DDR5 support. 

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: *Intel Core i7-13700F 2.1 GHz 16-Core Processor  ($329.99 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: *ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 360 A-RGB 48.8 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($159.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: *MSI B760 GAMING PLUS WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($164.99 @ Amazon) 
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6400 CL32 Memory  ($127.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: *Western Digital Black SN770 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($99.00 @ Newegg) 
Video Card: Asus TUF GAMING OC GeForce RTX 4080 16 GB Video Card  ($1199.99 @ Amazon) 
Case: *Lian Li LANCOOL 216 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($109.99 @ B&H) 
Power Supply: Corsair RM850e (2023) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($129.99 @ Amazon) 
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 11 Home OEM - DVD 64-bit  ($99.99 @ Newegg) 
Total: $2421.92
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-06-10 16:15 EDT-0400  

 

A better look at those components.  

 

https://lian-li.com/product/lancool-216/ 

 

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B760-GAMING-PLUS-WIFI  

 

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/230491/intel-core-i713700f-processor-30m-cache-up-to-5-20-ghz/specifications.html  

 

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/arctic-liquid-freezer-ii-360-argb-review   

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/wd-black-sn770-1-tb/  

 

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/wd-black-sn770-ssd-review  

 

https://www.westerndigital.com/products/internal-drives/wd-black-sn770-nvme-ssd#WDS200T3X0E   

 

 

[tyco12]

3 minutes ago, Why_Me said:

Stick with the legit Windows. You don't want to use a Z690 board for a DDR5 build due to inferior DDR5 support vs the newer 7XX series boards.  This puts you into a 10x better case and a board with superior DDR5 support. 

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: *Intel Core i7-13700F 2.1 GHz 16-Core Processor  ($329.99 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: *ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 360 A-RGB 48.8 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($159.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: *MSI B760 GAMING PLUS WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($164.99 @ Amazon) 
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6400 CL32 Memory  ($127.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: *Western Digital Black SN770 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($99.00 @ Newegg) 
Video Card: Asus TUF GAMING OC GeForce RTX 4080 16 GB Video Card  ($1199.99 @ Amazon) 
Case: *Lian Li LANCOOL 216 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($109.99 @ B&H) 
Power Supply: Corsair RM850e (2023) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($129.99 @ Amazon) 
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 11 Home OEM - DVD 64-bit  ($99.99 @ Newegg) 
Total: $2421.92
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-06-10 16:15 EDT-0400  

 

A better look at those components.  

 

https://lian-li.com/product/lancool-216/ 

 

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B760-GAMING-PLUS-WIFI  

 

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/230491/intel-core-i713700f-processor-30m-cache-up-to-5-20-ghz/specifications.html  

 

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/arctic-liquid-freezer-ii-360-argb-review   

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/wd-black-sn770-1-tb/  

 

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/wd-black-sn770-ssd-review  

 

https://www.westerndigital.com/products/internal-drives/wd-black-sn770-nvme-ssd#WDS200T3X0E   

 

 

Whats the difference between the 13700k and 13700f?

[SomeAssemblyRequired]

And your pc setup seems decent past that out of curiosity what kind of monitor do you plan to pair with this

[tyco12]

5 minutes ago, Why_Me said:

Stick with the legit Windows. You don't want to use a Z690 board for a DDR5 build due to inferior DDR5 support vs the newer 7XX series boards.  This puts you into a 10x better case and a board with superior DDR5 support. 

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: *Intel Core i7-13700F 2.1 GHz 16-Core Processor  ($329.99 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: *ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 360 A-RGB 48.8 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($159.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: *MSI B760 GAMING PLUS WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($164.99 @ Amazon) 
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6400 CL32 Memory  ($127.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: *Western Digital Black SN770 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($99.00 @ Newegg) 
Video Card: Asus TUF GAMING OC GeForce RTX 4080 16 GB Video Card  ($1199.99 @ Amazon) 
Case: *Lian Li LANCOOL 216 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($109.99 @ B&H) 
Power Supply: Corsair RM850e (2023) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($129.99 @ Amazon) 
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 11 Home OEM - DVD 64-bit  ($99.99 @ Newegg) 
Total: $2421.92
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-06-10 16:15 EDT-0400  

 

A better look at those components.  

 

https://lian-li.com/product/lancool-216/ 

 

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B760-GAMING-PLUS-WIFI  

 

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/230491/intel-core-i713700f-processor-30m-cache-up-to-5-20-ghz/specifications.html  

 

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/arctic-liquid-freezer-ii-360-argb-review   

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/wd-black-sn770-1-tb/  

 

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/wd-black-sn770-ssd-review  

 

https://www.westerndigital.com/products/internal-drives/wd-black-sn770-nvme-ssd#WDS200T3X0E   

 

 

Also, I thought with Z690 boards all you need to is to flash bios to work with 13th gen.

[Brooksie359]

2 minutes ago, mexher123 said:

Whats the difference between the 13700k and 13700f?

It can't overclock and slower base clocks and doesn't have an igpu 

[Why_Me]

12 minutes ago, mexher123 said:

Whats the difference between the 13700k and 13700f?

Wattage and heat. That and the locked cpu's don't overclock. Otherwise those cpu's run pretty much identical benchmarks.

 

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/230500/intel-core-i713700k-processor-30m-cache-up-to-5-40-ghz/specifications.html  

Processor Base Power: 125W
Maximum Turbo Power: 253W 

 

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/230491/intel-core-i713700f-processor-30m-cache-up-to-5-20-ghz/specifications.html 

Processor Base Power: 65W
Maximum Turbo Power: 219W 

 

If you want integrated graphics for Intel Quick Sync or whatever then look at the i7 13700.

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/230490/intel-core-i713700-processor-30m-cache-up-to-5-20-ghz/specifications.html

 

[Why_Me]

5 minutes ago, mexher123 said:

Also, I thought with Z690 boards all you need to is to flash bios to work with 13th gen.

The older 6XX series boards are fine for DDR4 builds but if you're going with a new DDR5 build then get the newer 7XX series boards.

 

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/PRO-Z690-A-WIFI/Specification  

DDR5 MEMORY: 6400+(OC) , 6200(OC) , 6000(OC) , 5800(OC) , 5600(JEDEC) , 5400(JEDEC) , 5200(JEDEC) , 5000(JEDEC) , 4800(JEDEC) MHz 

 

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B760-GAMING-PLUS-WIFI/Specification  

MEMORY: Memory Support DDR5 6800+(OC)/ 6600(OC)/ 6400(OC)/ 6200(OC)/ 6000(OC)/ 5800(OC)/ 5600(JEDEC)/ 5400(JEDEC)/ 5200(JEDEC)/ 5000(JEDEC)/ 4800(JEDEC) MHz
Max. overclocking frequency:
• 1DPC 1R Max speed up to 6800+ MHz
• 1DPC 2R Max speed up to 6400+ MHz
• 2DPC 1R Max speed up to 6000+ MHz
• 2DPC 2R Max speed up to 5600+ MHz

Supports Intel® XMP 3.0 OC
Supports Dual-Controller Dual-Channel mode
Supports non-ECC, un-buffered memory

[Brooksie359]

4 minutes ago, Why_Me said:

Wattage and heat. Otherwise those cpu's run pretty much identical benchmarks.

 

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/230500/intel-core-i713700k-processor-30m-cache-up-to-5-40-ghz/specifications.html  

Processor Base Power: 125W
Maximum Turbo Power: 253W 

 

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/230491/intel-core-i713700f-processor-30m-cache-up-to-5-20-ghz/specifications.html 

Processor Base Power: 65W
Maximum Turbo Power: 219W 

 

If you want integrated graphics for Intel Quick Sync or whatever then look at the i7 13700.

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/230490/intel-core-i713700-processor-30m-cache-up-to-5-20-ghz/specifications.html

 

I am just not sure why you would bother switching to the 13700f when the k variant does not cost a whole lot more and with the budget of the build I do not see this cost savings as meaningful as not having as fast of a cpu and not having an igpu would. I mean why hamper performace over such little savings unless you are going to actually do something with those extra savings to improve the build.

 

[tyco12]

11 minutes ago, SomeAssemblyRequired said:

And your pc setup seems decent past that out of curiosity what kind of monitor do you plan to pair with this

I have a 1080p 144hz right now, but I plan to upgrade it in the future.

[Why_Me]

6 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

I am just not sure why you would bother switching to the 13700f when the k variant does not cost a whole lot more and with the budget of the build I do not see this cost savings as meaningful as not having as fast of a cpu and not having an igpu would. I mean why hamper performace over such little savings unless you are going to actually do something with those extra savings to improve the build.

 

You want to define fast?   The difference between a locked 12 gen i7 and an unlocked 12 gen i7 is a whopping one frame per second on average. I highly doubt it's any different with the 13 gen i7 cpus.

 

https://www.techspot.com/review/2391-intel-core-i7-12700/   <--- review of the i7 12700 w/B660 board.

 

[tyco12]

17 minutes ago, Why_Me said:

The older 6XX series boards are fine for DDR4 builds but if you're going with a new DDR5 build then get the newer 7XX series boards.

 

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/PRO-Z690-A-WIFI/Specification  

DDR5 MEMORY: 6400+(OC) , 6200(OC) , 6000(OC) , 5800(OC) , 5600(JEDEC) , 5400(JEDEC) , 5200(JEDEC) , 5000(JEDEC) , 4800(JEDEC) MHz 

 

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B760-GAMING-PLUS-WIFI/Specification  

MEMORY: Memory Support DDR5 6800+(OC)/ 6600(OC)/ 6400(OC)/ 6200(OC)/ 6000(OC)/ 5800(OC)/ 5600(JEDEC)/ 5400(JEDEC)/ 5200(JEDEC)/ 5000(JEDEC)/ 4800(JEDEC) MHz
Max. overclocking frequency:
• 1DPC 1R Max speed up to 6800+ MHz
• 1DPC 2R Max speed up to 6400+ MHz
• 2DPC 1R Max speed up to 6000+ MHz
• 2DPC 2R Max speed up to 5600+ MHz

Supports Intel® XMP 3.0 OC
Supports Dual-Controller Dual-Channel mode
Supports non-ECC, un-buffered memory

I also made a list with a 7800x3d instead of the 13700k, do you think the 7800x3d would fit my needs? I know its worse in terms of productivity than the 13700k, but its currently the best gaming cpu. Not sure how demanding solidworks is since I've never used it yet, but would the 7800x3d be a better choice in my case?

[Why_Me]

10 minutes ago, mexher123 said:

I also made a list with a 7800x3d instead of the 13700k, do you think the 7800x3d would fit my needs? I know its worse in terms of productivity than the 13700k, but its currently the best gaming cpu. Not sure how demanding solidworks is since I've never used it yet, but would the 7800x3d be a better choice in my case?

The 13 gen i7's beat the 7800X3D like a rented mule in regards to productivity. That cpu is great for gaming but not so great at anything else due to the stacked cache. As far as gaming the i7 is no slouch.

 

[Brooksie359]

3 hours ago, Why_Me said:

You want to define fast?   The difference between a locked 12 gen i7 and an unlocked 12 gen i7 is a whopping one frame per second on average. I highly doubt it's any different with the 13 gen i7 cpus.

 

https://www.techspot.com/review/2391-intel-core-i7-12700/   <--- review of the i7 12700 w/B660 board.

 

First and foremost would be that this is a gaming benchmark of 10 games which tbh is a small sample size not to mention that the 6900x is probably the bottleneck for a significant portion of the benchmark which is why you see similar performance between the cpus. You would want to see benchmarks with something like a 4080 like op is planning on getting. Also again the money saved is minimal in comparison to the overall budget of the build. If you could squeeze in a 4090 with the money saved I could understand maybe going that route but to get an inferior product to save such a small amount when building such an expensive machine hardly makes sense. Also keep in mind productivity tasks could easily take better advantage of the k series cpu vs the f series especially the igpu. 

[Why_Me]

13 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

First and foremost would be that this is a gaming benchmark of 10 games which tbh is a small sample size not to mention that the 6900x is probably the bottleneck for a significant portion of the benchmark which is why you see similar performance between the cpus. You would want to see benchmarks with something like a 4080 like op is planning on getting. Also again the money saved is minimal in comparison to the overall budget of the build. If you could squeeze in a 4090 with the money saved I could understand maybe going that route but to get an inferior product to save such a small amount when building such an expensive machine hardly makes sense. Also keep in mind productivity tasks could easily take better advantage of the k series cpu vs the f series especially the igpu. 

It's one FPS not to mention that the locked cpu's run cooler ... those are facts. 

 

As far as the i7 with integrated graphics ... I posted it in the post in the link.  I'm pretty sure the OP reads English seeing how this is a US build. 

 

[Brooksie359]

10 hours ago, Why_Me said:

It's one FPS not to mention that the locked cpu's run cooler ... those are facts. 

 

As far as the i7 with integrated graphics ... I posted it in the post in the link.  I'm pretty sure the OP reads English seeing how this is a US build. 

 

This is incredibly ignorant. You are looking at a benchmark that isn't even the two cpus we are discussing and pair with a gpu that is weaker than the one in this build not to mention its only a 10 game sample size. Also temps are largely dependent on how much power you give the cpu. If you really cared about temps then you would undervolt the k series chip. Also the non f variant is even less of a cost savings and doesn't make sense.