W11 feels slow

[jm_bmw]

Hi everyone,

 

So my hardware is brand new and is flying on benchmarks as it should, but overall experience in windows file explorer is terrible... like a virtual machine at times.

 

For example, I have a delay opening a .txt file on this new notepad "app" (doesn't happen in notepad++) or even opening terminal.

 

Also had a no response to open a excel file... clicked 5 times and nothing happened (like a hang) but other things were still working fine until it opened the 5 excel instances at once... very weird.

 

IDK if it can be related to antivirus (Kaspersky) or the drive OS is installed (Kingston Fury Gen4 Nvme), theres no high usage issues in task manager or anything strange I can see... also disabled virtualization in BIOS and hyperV services.

 

Anyone w similar issues? what I could try? running 22H2 build 22621.1485

[filpo]

24 minutes ago, jm_bmw said:

Hi everyone,

 

So my hardware is brand new and is flying on benchmarks as it should, but overall experience in windows file explorer is terrible... like a virtual machine at times.

 

For example, I have a delay opening a .txt file on this new notepad "app" (doesn't happen in notepad++) or even opening terminal.

 

Also had a no response to open a excel file... clicked 5 times and nothing happened (like a hang) but other things were still working fine until it opened the 5 excel instances at once... very weird.

 

IDK if it can be related to antivirus (Kaspersky) or the drive OS is installed (Kingston Fury Gen4 Nvme), theres no high usage issues in task manager or anything strange I can see... also disabled virtualization in BIOS and hyperV services.

 

Anyone w similar issues? what I could try? running 22H2 build 22621.1485

windows updates all done?

[DrMacintosh]

Yep, this has been my experience as well. I have a pretty fast NVMe SSD. The fact remains that Windows is just a legacy pile of code in modern OS clothes. File Explorer is a pile a garbage. It indexes constantly but caches nothing.

[Lurking]

Google for the typical debloating items on github and deinstall everything not needed. Inc onedrive and all the games xbox etc. Check startup and disable what isn't needed.

 

Don't need Kaspersky. Windows Defender is good.

 

Screenshots of task manger and startup.

 

W11 should fly on the hardware in your signature. It is very responsive.

 

This is a W10 anecdote. But I have older W10 machines with SATA SSD and they took a while booting up. After the above de-bloating, they are booting very fast on the very same hardware. So this really matters, no matter how good your hardware is.

[johnno23]

Turn off Windows File indexing...you are running an SSD so it is not need and only slows down the performance.

it is only really a benefit to users of mechanical drives.

Also just use Windows defender.... 

[Alan G]

I just upgraded to Win 11 about two week ago and put in an NVMe drive for the OS.  It's my experience that Win11 is now running as fast if not faster.  I just clicked on some random .xls files in Explorer and they open right up.  I've been running Windows Defender for the past four years.

[GoodBytes]

Win11 flies with  my Ryzen 7700X, and my Core i3 12100, both SSDs. And I use Win11 daily, all the time, work and personal.

 

I suspect you either have a GPU drivers problem, based on your descriptions, yes even Excel. Microsoft did change it's rendering engine from CPU to GPU. Or your AV is affecting your experience.

[Lurking]

14 minutes ago, GoodBytes said:

Win11 flies with  my Ryzen 7000X, and my Core i3 12100, both SSDs. And I use Win11 daily, all the time, work and PC.

 

I suspect you either have a GPU drivers problem, based on your descriptions, yes even Excel. Microsoft did change it's rendering engine from CPU to GPU. Or your AV is affecting your experience.

On my old i3-3220 with DDR3 and SATA SSD it also is fast. Did the same optimization like in my post above. W11 really doesn't need more hardware than W10. But you have to clean it up. Obviously whatever apps you run will require better hardware.

[GoodBytes]

4 minutes ago, Lurking said:

On my old i3-3220 with DDR3 and SATA SSD it also is fast. Did the same optimization like in my post above. W11 really doesn't need more hardware than W10. But you have to clean it up. Obviously whatever apps you run will require better hardware.

No "cleanup" needed. The performance penalty is because your CPU doesn't have the security hardware enhancements, nor the performance to hide the resource cost of those security enhancements. Your junk "debloat" scripts, disables those security enhancements provided by Win11.

[Lurking]

24 minutes ago, GoodBytes said:

No "cleanup" needed. The performance penalty is because your CPU doesn't have the security hardware enhancements, nor the performance to hide the resource cost of those security enhancements. Your junk "debloat" scripts, disables those security enhancements provided by Win11.

I also run W11 on a Ryzen 7900 with 6000/CL30 RAM and 980 Pro. The responsiveness isn't different. Obviously booting up and starting apps etc. is faster on the newer hardware...

 

Debloating is much more than just disabling TPM check. It's reducing all the (to me) useless processes. Lots of deinstalling and preventing startup. Disabling some display features etc.

 

I'm just trying to make the point that W11 can be fast, even on lower spec hardware. 

 

FWIW, I debloated immediately after installation. On my newer system it might not have made much difference for responsiveness. But on the old i3, it sure is necessary. 

 

Edit: does disabling the TPM check (on the installation flashdrive, like with Rufus, actually disable the TPM function on PCs that actually have TPM? I don't think any of my manual debloating after installation actually does anything about TPM. Not sure....but I like to use whatever TPM is supposed to do.