at my wit's end with a system wide micro stutter

[Geosmin]

so, long story short, just rebuilt my system after a CPU RMA (all other components stress tested OK in other systems) and now I have this annoying system wide micro stutter

symptoms: every half second or so, I get a stutter in all video output. this affects games, video, cursor movement, etc. doesnt occur in bios, and wasnt there in the windows installer either.

things ive tried: update/clean install of the following drivers/software
Chipset, GPU, Network, BIOS
fresh windows install, installed all updates and drivers/control software (geforce experience, armory crate etc)

system specs:
mobo: asus strix b450 f ii
CPU : freshly RMA'd AMD 5800x
GPU : asus strix 3070 (non TI)

RAM : Trident Z Royal 4000MHz
Cooler: ASUS strix LC ii 240mm ARGB
PSU : 1000W seasonic focus gold
SSD : Kioxia KBG40ZNV1T02  (1TB, ~2GBPS rated) (my wd sn850 crapped itself so I stripped this out of an HP envy I use as a server)
intel wifi 6E m.2 card

Displays :
1440p 165 Hz running on DP
1080p 144Hz running on DP (normally 2 of these, but 1 rn due to a misshap with an airsoft gun and a freind)
4K 60Hz running on HDMI
 

peripherals
asus ROG flare (the old one, cherry mx blue)
logitech 502 hero
cannon EOS REBEL t5

roland RUBIX 24

 

 

other components that are disconnected for troubleshooting rn include :
asus blu ray drive (sata)
WD baracuda 1TB hdd (sata)
WD baracuda 2TB hdd (sata)
crappy PNY 1TB sata ssd from walmart
grandMA3 onPC node (moar RGB!)
some USB hdds
pioneer DDJ400
Blackmagic ATEM mini pro
other random AVL gear depending on what gig made me have to lug my desktop out to a jobsite (stuff like CDJs, sound and lighting consoles, broadcast gear, etc)

any suggestions are appreciated, as im at my wit's end here, and I really need this system to work lol


 

[Levent]

7 minutes ago, Connorocker Gaming said:

RAM : Trident Z Royal 4000MHz

Let me start by asking the obvious that these are not at 4000mhz right?

[Geosmin]

Just now, Levent said:

Let me start by asking the obvious that these are not at 4000mhz right?

I have DOCP enabled in the bios and they are running at 4000.
I should also add that temps are normal, and CPU and GPU both turbo like Id expect them too.
same issue persists when I kill docp and run 2666 mhz

 

[badlou101]

Have you tried just connecting one monitor at a time?

[Levent]

3 minutes ago, Connorocker Gaming said:

I have DOCP enabled in the bios and they are running at 4000.
I should also add that temps are normal, and CPU and GPU both turbo like Id expect them too.
same issue persists when I kill docp and run 2666 mhz

 

Well lucky you then. 
 

I would also consider all manufacturer software garbage (especially RGB bullshit) do a clean install and just install drivers and test one by one. 
 

If all else fails, remove absolutely everything connected to your case other  than absolute bare minimum and see if things change.

[Geosmin]

I also forgor to say that the ram is a 32GB (2x16) kit. running across both channels

[kb5zue]

armory crate

 

Getting rid of this would be my first action.

[Geosmin]

4 minutes ago, badlou101 said:

Have you tried just connecting one monitor at a time?

that just fixed it and youve made an AVL engineer of 10 years feel really stupid for not having tried that.
thanks you, you legend.
any ideas on what about the multi monitor could cause that?
never happened before with all 4 screens

and again, you just ended a hell of a headache. thanks again lol

takeaway for peeps reading this later on:
always try all the seemingly dumb solutions.
it doesn't matter how experienced you are, don't be cocky

Edited February 28, 2023 by Connorocker Gaming

[Geosmin]

14 minutes ago, Levent said:

Well lucky you then. 
 

I would also consider all manufacturer software garbage (especially RGB bullshit) do a clean install and just install drivers and test one by one. 
 

If all else fails, remove absolutely everything connected to your case other  than absolute bare minimum and see if things change.

is 4000mhz ram hard for the 5800x?
I never was able to hit that on my old one but I assumed that was because of the same defect that killed that chip
have I won the sillicon lotterey with the new one? time to see if I can push my OC higher too!

[191x7]

27 minutes ago, Connorocker Gaming said:

is 4000mhz ram hard for the 5800x?
I never was able to hit that on my old one but I assumed that was because of the same defect that killed that chip
have I won the sillicon lotterey with the new one? time to see if I can push my OC higher too!

With Zen 3 4000MT/s is nearly impossible to get stable. You either won the lottery or you're running unstable.

3600 is optimal for the system since it then runs synchronized with the Infinity Fabric clock. That offers the best performance.

Some people tune it to get a bit more, but that's advanced overclocking/tweaking.

Going way higher than 1800 (3600) probably causes the fabric clock to drop to a lower multiplier instead of 1:1 and your performance suffers.

So you're probably running unstable RAM and then, on top of that, it's probably performance degraded.

What you need to do is - load the 2nd XMP profile. if there's no second profile, load the main and put a lower clock manually.

After that, you'll probably need to repair your Windows.

[WereCat]

1 hour ago, Connorocker Gaming said:

is 4000mhz ram hard for the 5800x?
I never was able to hit that on my old one but I assumed that was because of the same defect that killed that chip
have I won the sillicon lotterey with the new one? time to see if I can push my OC higher too!

The problem is not that you can run 4000MT/s the problem is does your FLCK and UCLK run in sync with your MEMCLK? Because you can have RAM as fast as you want if you can run it but if you run it out of sync with infinity fabric you may be losing performance.

 

For example this is how it should be at 3800MT/s ... so in your case you want to see 2000MHz on all of these. To get that stable is very lucky. And by simply enabling DOCP as far as I'm aware the BIOS defaults to 1/2 mode if you cross 3600MT/s.

 

[DoctorNick]

@Connorocker GamingI would suggest to get rid of armoury crate as suggested, but by using the right method: Uninstall Tool: https://www.asus.com/supportonly/armoury crate/helpdesk_download/ 

Restart and go to bios. Disable armory crate in bios.

Connecting one monitor can't be a solution. I'm sure that your issue is memory related as others said. I would test with auto speeds, if it works, then move on to tweak memory and use @191x7post as guidance

 

[Geosmin]

11 hours ago, DoctorNick said:

@Connorocker GamingI would suggest to get rid of armoury crate as suggested, but by using the right method: Uninstall Tool: https://www.asus.com/supportonly/armoury crate/helpdesk_download/ 

Restart and go to bios. Disable armory crate in bios.

Connecting one monitor can't be a solution. I'm sure that your issue is memory related as others said. I would test with auto speeds, if it works, then move on to tweak memory and use @191x7post as guidance

 

I use armory crate for RGB, and will not get rid of it. not after going to the effort to make a grandMA3 plugin for it.
the issue seemed to be caused by the fact that my 4k TV was defaulting to 30 Hz, because as soon as I plugged it back in and set it to 60, the stutter decidedly vanished.
further leading me to belive that its not a memory related issue is the fact that it didnt happen in ubuntu or windows server, only windows 10. (didnt try 11 because blegh, 11)
issue was also persistent when running ram at 2666, running different ram, single channel ram, etc
it seems windows multi monitor support was being its usual self (crappy) and as far as I can tell, freaking out when running vastly different refresh rates.
this has also happened before on my laptop when running the main display at 120Hz and plugging in an LED video wall that runs at 24Hz. setting the internal disp. to 60 Hz always helped. I guess I just didnt make the connection to mess with refresh rates because I wasnt using an LED wall here lol

as far as timings go, all is well.
I have yet to go in and OC the CPU because that normally takes me a while to dial in, but ill dial the ram back if I do run into stability issues.
for now though, the system is responsive and stable, and doing what I want it to.

im not gonna monitor this thread anymore, but thanks to all who offered solutions.