This Has Never Worked

[AlexTheGreatish]

Starforge Systems are a system builder created by Twitch streamers that gained notoriety for their bad configs on launch. Have they been able to turn it around?

 

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[FATE1027]

lol it literally took me 5 mins to make a list on pc part picker with 12900ks, 3090ti, 32gb 3600 for 3500 dollars, probably can save 200 dollars or more if optimised, dont know if this company even gonna last, so why bother with third party system builders

[Senzelian]

If there will be a secret shopper 2, then they need to be included!

[Nystemy]

It is indeed deceptively easy to build a computer. But running it as a business is less so, by a lot. Even if one can reasonably charge a fair few % more than a DIY approach.

 

Working in electronics manufacturing myself, I can't help but contemplating at times if venturing into PC building would be economical or not. Oftentimes the answer is "maybe." In my case it wouldn't be hard, but PC building has somewhat high risks associated with it, and even if the computer works, there is still support since the end user might break it in various ways. And whatever problems I as a tech interested person stumbles over is going to be far removed from what Joe average stumbles over.

 

I wouldn't say that building is actually the major cost.

Support, logistics, and idle downtime as order quantities varies are likely the bigger costs.

Not to mention the risk of having hardware collecting dust as new generations arrive. Partly one can build things "just in time." but a lot of customers don't want to wait for you to acquire the parts, part of the appeal of buying a pre built is the expediency of the process. _{(at least as far as I have heard people say. I haven't bought a computer in a long time...)}

[ToboRobot]

19 minutes ago, FATE1027 said:

lol it literally took me 5 mins to make a list on pc part picker with 12900ks, 3090ti, 32gb 3600 for 3500 dollars, probably can save 200 dollars or more if optimised, dont know if this company even gonna last, so why bother with third party system builders

It took me 5 minutes to make a list of parts to build a table for very little money.  Why do people go to to stores to buy factory built furniture? 

Maybe it's because people don't want to do something and rather pay people to do it for them? 

[Middcore]

13 minutes ago, ToboRobot said:

It took me 5 minutes to make a list of parts to build a table for very little money.  Why do people go to to stores to buy factory built furniture? 

 

I mean, there's an actual difference in quality (sometimes) between "factory built" furniture and IKEA. So I don't think this is a great comparison to PC's.

[Needfuldoer]

Building a computer is easy. Supporting it for its entire life cycle is not, especially when you're buying off-the-shelf components from multiple manufacturers.

 

This is why large companies "overpay" for OEM PCs instead of building a suite of workstations from parts. If something breaks, they can just go back to Dell or HP or Lenovo and go "fix it fix it fix it fix it" like Fry. If you're a system integrator, you're the one the customers are turning to.

 

At 4:14 the email to the "anonymous" buyer starts off "Hi, Colton". That's brilliant! Nobody would ever suspect that guy of working for Linus! 

[Ravendarat]

1 hour ago, Middcore said:

 

I mean, there's an actual difference in quality (sometimes) between "factory built" furniture and IKEA. So I don't think this is a great comparison to PC's.

I think his point is pretty valid actually. He wasn't making a quality comparison, his point was not everyone wants to or is able to build their own PC so they will pay a premium to a company to do it for them.

 

To the original video I think my only real problem with it is that its a 850w psu with a 3080ti. If you OC it at all you might end up with a problem when its also using a 12900k. When they upgraded the build on their site to a 3090 now for $3400 did they change the psu as well?

 

I just went and checked, they did not upgrade the PSU, HOWEVER they have dropped the price to 2999.99 USD now

https://starforgesystems.com/products/horizon-creator-edition-pc

[CerealExperimentsLain]

1 hour ago, Needfuldoer said:

At 4:14 the email to the "anonymous" buyer starts off "Hi, Colton". That's brilliant! Nobody would ever suspect that guy of working for Linus! 

I met this guy Bill once, and it was clear it was Bill Gates, no matter how much he screamed in pain or how much fake 'blood' there was as I tried to pull his rubber mask off.  There's only one person in the world named 'Bill' after all.

 

Now if only I could convince the judge of this obvious truth.

[ToboRobot]

2 hours ago, Middcore said:

 

I mean, there's an actual difference in quality (sometimes) between "factory built" furniture and IKEA. So I don't think this is a great comparison to PC's.

You are right, but there is also a spectrum of quality from vastly superior, to worse than ikea.  Just like PC building, some people will do better than Dell, and others will burn their house down.

[crazzp]

6 hours ago, FATE1027 said:

lol it literally took me 5 mins to make a list on pc part picker with 12900ks, 3090ti, 32gb 3600 for 3500 dollars, probably can save 200 dollars or more if optimised, dont know if this company even gonna last, so why bother with third party system builders

It took me 3 minutes to make a list of ingredients to a dish, it's much cheaper than going to a restaurant. Why do people even go restaurants, it blows my mind. 

[bluehawk]

I don't much care for the company really. The "creators" as they are on the website are just twitch streamers with minimal PC knowledge to begin with. They are just funding the company and using their influence to sell the product. Like if a food critic opened up a restaurant. Yeah, you review food for a living but opening and running your own restaurant is something else.  I'm not expecting them to sit in a warehouse building the PCs themselves, but give credit to the ones that are actually building the PCs for your company and probably not making as much money as you. But it's odd they aren't even trying to have their own individual PCs at least where you can get, say, the "Emiru" PC which has the parts she chose and it is decorated and painted reflecting her style. It's just people that play games on twitch and think well we play on PCs, let's sell our own PCs. I don't like that. What I enjoyed when getting into LTT and JayzTwoCents is actually learning how the PCs are working and how to build them myself and things. If you want to sell your prebuilts, then at least do it in a way that gets your fans into the tech don't do it just because you want to use your clout to make more money off them.

[JMBM]

Anyone knows which keyboard they are using there? Looks neat.

[Arika]

So there is a lot of big streamers that are a part of this, all who stream pretty much every day....how much involvement do they actually have with running this company? or is it just "my name is on the website"?

[jtsoi]

Not sure if this is the right section but though I should post it here. Asmongold watching LTT's review of the Starforge PC.

 

[Skiiwee29]

@jtsoi I have merged your thread into the Thread surrounding the video. 

[jtsoi]

56 minutes ago, Skiiwee29 said:

@jtsoi I have merged your thread into the Thread surrounding the video. 

Thanks!

[Needfuldoer]

8 hours ago, jtsoi said:

Not sure if this is the right section but though I should post it here. Asmongold watching LTT's review of the Starforge PC.

Why does it sound like he keeps drifting in and out of a Morty from Rick and Morty impression? Is that a streamer thing I'm not cool enough to understand?

 

re: his "our logo is supposed to be Thor's hammer" rant: I thought it was supposed to be a joystick. 

So did Linus, apparently.

 

EDIT: Here's how I'd fix it. Flip it upside-down and add gaps between the diamond shape and the sides of the hammer head to match the ones on the sides of the handle. Now it's plainly obvious what it's supposed to be, and it still flows because the chamfers on the hammer head are at the same angle as the lines that make up the diamond "behind" it. (Disclaimer: I am not a graphic designer.)

 

Spoiler

 

The original image is apparently their YouTube profile picture, but I just yoinked it off of Google Images.

 

Edited October 2, 2022 by Needfuldoer

[manikyath]

15 hours ago, Needfuldoer said:

At 4:14 the email to the "anonymous" buyer starts off "Hi, Colton". That's brilliant! Nobody would ever suspect that guy of working for Linus! 

because there can only be one colton in BC.

[Needfuldoer]

1 hour ago, manikyath said:

because there can only be one colton in BC.

That's right.

 

(It's a joke, you guys.)

[lootfree]

18 hours ago, ToboRobot said:

It took me 5 minutes to make a list of parts to build a table for very little money.  Why do people go to to stores to buy factory built furniture? 

Maybe it's because people don't want to do something and rather pay people to do it for them? 

Not everyone is Dentist.

[ToboRobot]

9 minutes ago, lootfree said:

Not everyone is Dentist.

But some people are Dentists, so why get upset that they BUY a nice PC/bike instead of building their own from parts?

I'm not a dentist, and I build my own computers.  But I know other people that don't, because they have jobs and families and hobbies and no time to save a few bucks building their own computers. 

Both are valid options, it depends on peoples circumstances.

[SprinkledDount]

20 hours ago, FATE1027 said:

lol it literally took me 5 mins to make a list on pc part picker with 12900ks, 3090ti, 32gb 3600 for 3500 dollars, probably can save 200 dollars or more if optimised, dont know if this company even gonna last, so why bother with third party system builders

Just because you can do it doesn't mean that everyone else can. Different people have different skill sets and by saying that you can do something doesn't mean that everyone else can.

[lootfree]

1 hour ago, ToboRobot said:

But some people are Dentists, so why get upset that they BUY a nice PC/bike instead of building their own from parts?

I'm not a dentist, and I build my own computers.  But I know other people that don't, because they have jobs and families and hobbies and no time to save a few bucks building their own computers. 

Both are valid options, it depends on peoples circumstances.

Bro, my best friend is afraid to build his pc, he ask me to help. You cannot expect everyone is you. I don't saying to defense Asmon or whoever. But you cannot believe in this everyone know 2+2=4. I help on everyone of my friends for buildings, but for ppl who have zero clue. gl to build parts and build by themself.

[PineyCreek]

On 10/1/2022 at 9:48 PM, jtsoi said:

Not sure if this is the right section but though I should post it here. Asmongold watching LTT's review of the Starforge PC.

 

For those that enjoy tech drama, this is the best you can get for something that doesn't involve the entire Artesian story or anything involving Steve from GN being salty.