Repairability Vs longevity

[Shane King]

Is the fair phone a real example of a truly better for the environment when I still need to replace the whole device when it slows down in like 3 years but an iPhone last for over 5 years due to the performance headroom with the additional fact that when I trade in my iPhone to Apple it would be recycled unlike the fair phone and its lack of basic midrange specs like water resistant

And wireless charging (fyi why is the no wireless charging? It's just copper coils) how is it not brought to light that the company seems to make it more reliable as a PR stunt that out of real care for the environment, considering that repairability is an enthusies thing and not something the common person really care about considering that most still got to repair shops to get it fixed anyway and according to louis rossmann said that the movement is to get companys to allow people to repair not make it easier to repair in secifce of new and better features 

[Kilrah]

24 minutes ago, Shane King said:

when it slows down in like 3 years

The people I know who use fairphones have the fairphone 2 which is coming on 7 years and still use it.

[jaslion]

47 minutes ago, Shane King said:

slows down in like 3 years but an iPhone last for over 5 years due to the performance headroom

Honestly this isnt even a fault of the hardware but of how everything always expects more and more performance so more and more useless things can be implemented which take more processinf power to do.

 

Like legit boot up a site from 2012 and watch it soar on a modern low end budget smartphone. All the tracking, adds,... bs slows everything down and makes things seem artificially slower.

 

This is what needs to be looked at next. Debloating will do so much.

 

I personally know. Company made a huge commitment a year ago to optimize our software as we had to keep buying better devices and servers.

 

Legit spending a years work on that has caused it so we can run all our services on a single first gen epyc 16 core instead of the 200+ cores of epics before. Its insane how much optimization can do.

 

Another fun example is that when you throw out google services from lets say a galaxy s3 running lineage os android 11 its faster than its stock rom as all the bs background stuff that really isnt needed simply isnt happening. Its plenty snappy then.

 

Oh also keep in mind plenty people that bought a fairphone long ago are still using them as they run on lighter older oses that dont boggle down the hardware.

[Commodus]

2 hours ago, Shane King said:

Is the fair phone a real example of a truly better for the environment when I still need to replace the whole device when it slows down in like 3 years but an iPhone last for over 5 years due to the performance headroom with the additional fact that when I trade in my iPhone to Apple it would be recycled unlike the fair phone and its lack of basic midrange specs like water resistant

And wireless charging (fyi why is the no wireless charging? It's just copper coils) how is it not brought to light that the company seems to make it more reliable as a PR stunt that out of real care for the environment, considering that repairability is an enthusies thing and not something the common person really care about considering that most still got to repair shops to get it fixed anyway and according to louis rossmann said that the movement is to get companys to allow people to repair not make it easier to repair in secifce of new and better features 

It’s not clear-cut. If you can keep the phone for a long while, as mentioned earlier, then it’s great. But you will lose security updates and other OS upgrades, and it won’t do if you’re the sort who wants reasonably current hardware features. A seven-year-old phone isn’t much help if you want to take high-quality photos of your kids.

[Shane King]

On 8/24/2022 at 9:56 PM, huilun02 said:

The intent is to avoid getting fucked over in the event where you need the phone serviced.

 

For example right now if your charging port needs to be replaced, how much downtime, parts replacement and cost would be needed to fix an iPhone as opposed to a fairphone?

 

Apps and user behaviour becoming more demanding is NOT the fault of the device. Still, a light user could be perfectly happy with a fairphone for many years and many more by having to replace only the part that fails.

 

As for software updates, this is in practice more of a desire than a necessity. Have a look online for real world incidents of phone compromise (resulting in loss) that is directly attributed to lack of phone updates. Having a phone stuck on Android 8 is not going to make it any less usable unless the app maker made a conscious decision to end support.

 

Last but not least, the quality of pictures the phone takes is not going to change down the road.

yea I get what you mean but what I take issue is the fact That a lot of channels focus on repairablity but often for get that the "eco friendly phones" are often less helpful to the envirement due to the fact that they are just less durable

[Shane King]

On 8/24/2022 at 7:20 PM, jaslion said:

Honestly this isnt even a fault of the hardware but of how everything always expects more and more performance so more and more useless things can be implemented which take more processinf power to do.

 

Like legit boot up a site from 2012 and watch it soar on a modern low end budget smartphone. All the tracking, adds,... bs slows everything down and makes things seem artificially slower.

 

This is what needs to be looked at next. Debloating will do so much.

 

I personally know. Company made a huge commitment a year ago to optimize our software as we had to keep buying better devices and servers.

 

Legit spending a years work on that has caused it so we can run all our services on a single first gen epyc 16 core instead of the 200+ cores of epics before. Its insane how much optimization can do.

 

Another fun example is that when you throw out google services from lets say a galaxy s3 running lineage os android 11 its faster than its stock rom as all the bs background stuff that really isnt needed simply isnt happening. Its plenty snappy then.

 

Oh also keep in mind plenty people that bought a fairphone long ago are still using them as they run on lighter older oses that dont boggle down the hardware.

that is not entirely true as if that were the case it would suggest that games like genshin is not GPU intensive which compared to games during the Samsung s3 is clearly not true 

[Darkseth]

Fairphone is completely overpriced.

You buy this because of Environment, how eco friendly the materials are, fair wages etc.

 

You do NOT save money with "using it longer" and "repairability". This costs like 600€, but 200-250€ Smartphones already have better Spec (and much better Cameras. DXOMark has the Fairphone 4, it's at the bottom of their Ranking).

A Fairphone actually needs to break several Times and be repaired by you several times in Order to "save" more Money than you paid too much upfront. No Smartphone could break so much really, unless you're so clumy, that you break it every 2 months or so.

 

Keep in Mind, every Fairphone preior to the 4, ways technically already so outdated, that you could upgrade right from the first Day, because it was painfully slow in even normal Tasks. Fairphone 4 does have better Specs finally.

2 German Reviewes talked about the Fairphone 3 i believe (or was it the Fairphone 2 already?), they let family members use it, all said it was painfully slow and they didn't want to use it again.

Fairphone 3 failed a "durability" Rating in a Magazine, because it didn't work anymore after taking a Phone Call during Rain.

 

 

Again: Forget Repairability, when you ask yourself if it's worth it. Not for this Reason. It will never break so much that it becomes financally "worth". And on top of that, 

forget modularity. Doesn't help, when the Camera is utterly Trash.

 

If you think about Fairphone, think about fair Wages and fair production for the whole production-Chain, beginning with the raw Materials. Just That. Not modularity or how easy you can repair it.

The initial Price is too high for that. For how much you pay more for beeing "green", you can buy Xiaomi Smarpthones every 2 years, and even the first one will have better Specs.

 

And also, all that modularity only lasts, untill you still get Updates. Once updates stop, you can basicly start looking for a new Phone.

 

Think about that way:

Apple sells you an iPhone for 4000-5000 Dollar, but it is modular and everything can be repaired by yourself pretty easily.

Is that worth it over a "regular" iPhone? Probably not.

I myself for example have never managed to break a phone. Not even beginning from my first Smartphone 2010, but also older Phones since the Nokia 3210. Not a single defect. Just 2 times i replaced the Battery (one time was on my Galaxy S3, where i just bought a bigger, thicker battery so it lasts longer, not because the battery was broken. Second time 50€ for a new Galaxy S7 Edge Battery, before i gave it to my GF).

 

 

You could also get a better Phone for less than half the Price, and donate to a Charity of your choice, if you want that "i helped somebody"-feeling.

While the Idea of a Fairphone is indeed very noble and great (and more Companies should follow), but you can expect technical compromises. Like a bad Camera.

[Shane King]

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