Z690 potential DDR5 problems

[Ashino]

Hello, I recently purchased an z690 Aorus pro motherboard with CORSAIR Vengeance DDR5 32GB (2x16GB) memory and I've seen a lot of posts regarding boot looping problems with setups that use up all 4 DIMM slots with 6000mhz or higher with XMP. I'm worried that if I get my board and install everything the system would also boot loop even with only 2 sticks installed under 6000mhz and without XMP, in that case a bios flash is needed, but wouldn't that void the warranty? I know i'm already thinking of worst case scenario but this ram's module P/N is on the QVL list (except for the Ver 4.43 at the end which I can't see anywhere on the store page itself). So what do you guys think I should do in that situation in terms of troubleshooting before RMA because if I RMA, i'll just get another board with the same problem. Thank you.

 

 

[manikyath]

47 minutes ago, Ashino said:

in that case a bios flash is needed, but wouldn't that void the warranty?

first off: no. stop this ridiculous myth that bios updates are somehow dangerous.

 

past that, you're on a brand new platform (DDR5) at a fairly high speed, with a fairly high capacity. you're going to encounter early adopter issues with that. i personally feel like gigabyte is somehow always the brand to get the early adopter stuff terribly wrong, but that doesnt go much further than "my limited experience".

 

make sure you're on the latest bios version, if it's still problematic, contact gigabyte support and i suppose eventually just run the sticks at a slower speed, because that's how great gigabyte's support appears to be from how the news goes...

[Ashino]

37 minutes ago, manikyath said:

first off: no. stop this ridiculous myth that bios updates are somehow dangerous.

 

past that, you're on a brand new platform (DDR5) at a fairly high speed, with a fairly high capacity. you're going to encounter early adopter issues with that. i personally feel like gigabyte is somehow always the brand to get the early adopter stuff terribly wrong, but that doesnt go much further than "my limited experience".

 

make sure you're on the latest bios version, if it's still problematic, contact gigabyte support and i suppose eventually just run the sticks at a slower speed, because that's how great gigabyte's support appears to be from how the news goes...

Whether it was dangerous or not doesn't address my question. I wanted to know can updating the bios void the warranty?

[manikyath]

6 minutes ago, Ashino said:

Whether it was dangerous or not doesn't address my question. I wanted to know can updating the bios void the warranty?

if it were to void the warranty, a bios update package wouldnt be among the list of drivers, and it would have warnings plastered all over it.

[Ashino]

I've seen a review of this motherboard saying that you shouldn't flash the bios while having other components installed otherwise it won't work and to only have the 24pin/8pin connected and nothing else, is that true? I wanted to test it out first to see if it boots with just the base settings and without xmp enabled before flashing but I also don't want to build the pc then just end up stripping the motherboard out again just to flash and then reinstall to retest..

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Ashino said:

I've seen a review of this motherboard saying that you shouldn't flash the bios while having other components installed otherwise it won't work and to only have the 24pin/8pin connected and nothing else, is that true? I wanted to test it out first to see if it boots with just the base settings and without xmp enabled before flashing but I also don't want to build the pc then just end up stripping the motherboard out again just to flash and then reinstall to retest..

That is only for use of flashback. You will not have this issue. Build the PC and flash through the bios with everything installed, or if worries not at all.

 

Flashing bios does not void warranties. 

 

You did read correct, 6000mhz on quad slot boards has issues. But if you set xmp and run manually 5800mhz, the performance will be really close to 6000mhz.

 

Other than that, you should have 0 issues and should be able to enjoy the rig bios flash or not.

[jaslion]

23 hours ago, manikyath said:

brand to get the early adopter stuff terribly wrong, but that doesnt go much further than "my limited experience".

Oh no gigabyte is like the goto for stay the hell away from their first gen products

[Ashino]

This is a silly question and I already know the answer but I guess I'll ask anyway just in case...
Is there any chance at all that this motherboard could boot with DDR4 memory installed? I know its a DDR5 motherboard, but I have a lot of DDR4 sticks I can use to test just to see if it boots.

Right now i'm just going to put the pc together, if it doesn't work i'll just take it to a computer shop so they could flash the bios for me.

[Ryuikko]

Nope, ddr4 won't work on a ddr5 board, in won't even slot into the board 

[Ashino]

2 minutes ago, Ryuikko said:

Nope, ddr4 won't work on a ddr5 board, in won't even slot into the board 

alrighty then, that's what I thought. I'll just take the motherboard to a computer shop to install the bios if it refuses to boot with this Corsair DDR5 that I have.

[-rascal-]

@Ashino

 

No, flashing/updating the BIOS does not void warranty....since when did it ever??

Updating the BIOS is like updating the OS / iOS on your phone; does that void warranty?

It is more like regular software updates.

 

You cannot install DDR4 memory into a DDR5 motherboard.

DDR4 and DDR5 are physically different.

They did this on purpose since... DDR1.

 

Having no components connected ... I don't where you read the bit where other components MUST be removed.

That feature, ASUS, MSi, Gigabyte, each calls it differently....but allows you to flash / recover the BIOS with a USB, in case something happens.

The MINIMUM required is just motherboard + power.

You can STILL have all the other components connected.

The last 4? 5? ASUS + Gigabyte motherboards I've owned have this feature... and I've used that feature probably 4 ~ 6 times now.

In most of my use cases, I corrupted the BIOS through overclocking and doing stupid things.

 

The best, at least right now for DDR5 motherboards, is to buy memory kits listed on the Qualified Vendor List (QVL).

Those exact memory kits have been tested and confirmed working with that motherboard.

This is testing / verification, in your case Gigabyte, has done on their own time, in their own testing labs.

Gigabyte GIVES you that info: https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/Z690-AORUS-PRO-rev-1x/support#support-memsup

 

 

[Ashino]

19 minutes ago, -rascal- said:

@Ashino

 

No, flashing/updating the BIOS does not void warranty....since when did it ever??

Updating the BIOS is like updating the OS / iOS on your phone; does that void warranty?

It is more like regular software updates.

 

You cannot install DDR4 memory into a DDR5 motherboard.

DDR4 and DDR5 are physically different.

They did this on purpose since... DDR1.

 

Having no components connected ... I don't where you read the bit where other components MUST be removed.

That feature, ASUS, MSi, Gigabyte, each calls it differently....but allows you to flash / recover the BIOS with a USB, in case something happens.

The MINIMUM required is just motherboard + power.

You can STILL have all the other components connected.

The last 4? 5? ASUS + Gigabyte motherboards I've owned have this feature... and I've used that feature probably 4 ~ 6 times now.

In most of my use cases, I corrupted the BIOS through overclocking and doing stupid things.

 

The best, at least right now for DDR5 motherboards, is to buy memory kits listed on the Qualified Vendor List (QVL).

Those exact memory kits have been tested and confirmed working with that motherboard.

This is testing / verification, in your case Gigabyte, has done on their own time, in their own testing labs.

Gigabyte GIVES you that info: https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/Z690-AORUS-PRO-rev-1x/support#support-memsup

 

Yeah, my DDR5 memory kit is on that list, its Corsair DDR5 5600mhz CMK32GX5M2B5600C36  . I'll build the pc tomorrow and update you guys.

[Ashino]

So quick update, build the pc and everything ran perfectly fine. Bios came out of the box with version F7 or F8...idk don't remember but its one of the more recent ones. I decided to keep XMP turned off and never tried to enable it just because I don't want any instability right now. Maybe some time down the line I will enable X.M.P. Thanks for all your help yall, much appreciated! <3

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Ashino said:

So quick update, build the pc and everything ran perfectly fine. Bios came out of the box with version F7 or F8...idk don't remember but its one of the more recent ones. I decided to keep XMP turned off and never tried to enable it just because I don't want any instability right now. Maybe some time down the line I will enable X.M.P. Thanks for all your help yall, much appreciated!

Don't be scared, just be aware!! 

 

You could set XMP enabled, and just manually set 5200mhz (to start with) and I'd bet it'll be perfectly stable. You want to run this system with the memory frequency as high as you can get it. Since you have 6000mhz memory, it will have absolutely no issues running a lower frequency. I'd aim for 5700-5800mhz and test stability, but start low first 5200mhz. It'll be ok, I promise. If not, you can always set system to defaults again. No big deal!

[-rascal-]

Yes, I agree, enable XMP.

As @Guest 5150mentioned, you can enable XMP, and manually set the DRAM frequency -- you don't need to use the frequency programmed into the XMP profile.

If it still fails, or unstable, you can always revert back to defaults, or turn XMP back off.

[johnt]

Op, you are worrying way too much. You can't worry about a problem because you might have it....... leave that for the workplace. I installed Corsair 5600mhz DDR5 in my z690 and it was the least of my problems. Actually it wasn't even a problem lol

 

Sometimes you have to update the bios just to get things working properly. My ASUS board had crazy issues with USB C compatibility and power delivery until I updated the bios. Now don't confuse "flashing" the bios with updating. Updating will not void your warranty. Flashing with a third party version or homebrew-ing your bios will definitely void your warranty. You will be fine as long as you get the update from your manufacturer's website.

 

Build and enjoy.