Ram heatspreader

[Somerandomtechyboi]

I wanna ram more volt into my ddr3 samsung 1gbit rev f stick but i have a feeling that i may be cooling limited above 2v, and no absolutely not for dailying, just wanna see how far this generic stick can go when given enough volt (upto 2.4v, and no i dont care if it or my x5660 dies as theyre both trash)

 

A fan will def help though i may be able to cool my ram more with a heatpreader to increase surface area, and no tec cooling for now cause i ruined my tec and im too lazy to go fabricate a tec cooler atm

 

 

Now onto the heatspreader

ill prob have to make one myself, since the focus is cooling ill have it be an old style open top rather than closed top like on those old ddr2 rams so all of the surface area is usable

 

My first idea on making a heatspreader is just slap some aluminum foil on the ram, after all its just surface area that i need and it should be easy to stick on the rams with just thermal paste cause of how light it is, particularly interested in this idea since i already have everything i need for it

 

Second idea would be to borrow the heatspreaders from my extreem dark ddr2, since theyre single sided i can just take the heatspreader off the other side though i have no idea how im gonna do that and i dont have any thermal glue to stick it on my generic ram

 

 

Im primarily interested in sticking aluminum foil to the rams so questions are

 

Would it work? Id assume itll work since all i need is surface area

 

And any real issues other than the aluminum potentially ripping or falling off the ram?

[Blue4130]

10 hours ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

I wanna ram more volt into my ddr3 samsung 1gbit rev f stick but i have a feeling that i may be cooling limited above 2v, and no absolutely not for dailying, just wanna see how far this generic stick can go when given enough volt (upto 2.4v, and no i dont care if it or my x5660 dies as theyre both trash)

 

A fan will def help though i may be able to cool my ram more with a heatpreader to increase surface area, and no tec cooling for now cause i ruined my tec and im too lazy to go fabricate a tec cooler atm

 

 

Now onto the heatspreader

ill prob have to make one myself, since the focus is cooling ill have it be an old style open top rather than closed top like on those old ddr2 rams so all of the surface area is usable

 

My first idea on making a heatspreader is just slap some aluminum foil on the ram, after all its just surface area that i need and it should be easy to stick on the rams with just thermal paste cause of how light it is, particularly interested in this idea since i already have everything i need for it

 

Second idea would be to borrow the heatspreaders from my extreem dark ddr2, since theyre single sided i can just take the heatspreader off the other side though i have no idea how im gonna do that and i dont have any thermal glue to stick it on my generic ram

 

 

Im primarily interested in sticking aluminum foil to the rams so questions are

 

Would it work? Id assume itll work since all i need is surface area

 

And any real issues other than the aluminum potentially ripping or falling off the ram?

Just grab a random tin can from the kitchen and chop it up. Then use some double sided tape. That is how the majority of ram spreaders are attached. There is not "thermal" adhesive used.

[thrasher_565]

i mean dam aunt they like $3... this is my ram cooling... back in the x58 days... hmm now thinking about it my ram had more cooling then my cpu...prioritys i guess...

 

 

 

Edited May 9, 2022 by thrasher_565

[Somerandomtechyboi]

4 minutes ago, thrasher_565 said:

i mean dam aunt they like $3... this is my ram cooling... back in the x58 days...

 

 

 

Now thats just overkill, would have more potential with a tec since ram doesnt generate much heat and subzero ram would increase oc capability, and i didnt know ram coolers that overkill existed since ive mainly seen the normal heatpreader or aftermarket heatpreader with fan, not a block of metal ontop the rams

 

Thats the kind of cooler youd use if you wanna run 2.4v+ ddr3 oc and even then itd still be nowhere near its capacity without a tec added to it

 

It would be interesting since if i want to make a tec ram cooler at some point it wouldnt be too bulky, i wonder where you can find slimmer heatsinks like that nowadays that arent stupidly expensive/rare

[thrasher_565]

3 minutes ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

Now thats just overkill, would have more potential with a tec since ram doesnt generate much heat and subzero ram would increase oc capability, and i didnt know ram coolers that overkill existed since ive mainly seen the normal heatpreader or aftermarket heatpreader with fan, not a block of metal ontop the rams

 

Thats the kind of cooler youd use if you wanna run 2.4v+ ddr3 oc and even then itd still be nowhere near its capacity without a tec added to it

 

It would be interesting since if i want to make a tec ram cooler at some point it wouldnt be too bulky, i wonder where you can find slimmer heatsinks like that nowadays that arent stupidly expensive/rare

well you cant find thows any more unless on ebay for like $30 a peace. i payed like $20 each. my dad had the expensive donator gt ram that came with a fan. but other then vary exstream oc the heat sink did nothing and ram was saspuso too be life time warnaty so who cares... besides you can buy water cooled ram heat sinks. but now adays its cheaper to just buy ddr3 dom plats then to buy a heatspreder for a water block... i been watching them for some time and lowest i saw em was $10 a stick. now there like $20. at lest in Canada that is. us you can probably find them cheaper.

[Somerandomtechyboi]

Ok i decided to just crank my rams to 2.46v anyway and surprisingly they seem to keep on scaling and scaling with volt, since this is the max my p6t deluxe v2 can set id assume any higher is potentially instadeath for my poor cpu imc, maybe ill voltmod and see if any higher is indeed instadeath or is 2.46v just overly conservative and irl i can run 2.6v no issue, but its asus not idiot gigabyte allowing me to set 2.3v on my 45nm e8400 without even a red indicator while 2.3v is literal instadeath for literally all but prob 90nm cpus on 775

[thrasher_565]

5 minutes ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

Ok i decided to just crank my rams to 2.46v anyway and surprisingly they seem to keep on scaling and scaling with volt, since this is the max my p6t deluxe v2 can set id assume any higher is potentially instadeath for my poor cpu imc, maybe ill voltmod and see if any higher is indeed instadeath or is 2.46v just overly conservative and irl i can run 2.6v no issue, but its asus not idiot gigabyte allowing me to set 2.3v on my 45nm e8400 without even a red indicator while 2.3v is literal instadeath for literally all but prob 90nm cpus on 775

i dont understand dragster racing i mean i get it but i dont. i no its cheaper stuff to replace but why kill it? i guess that's the only use case for it is a hi score?

[Somerandomtechyboi]

3 minutes ago, thrasher_565 said:

i dont understand dragster racing i mean i get it but i dont. i no its cheaper stuff to replace but why kill it? i guess that's the only use case for it is a hi score?

Cause its garbage and i just wanna see how far it goes, also boy does this ram get hot but thats to be expected at this kind of volt, even a fan directly blowing over it is not enough or just barely enough cause it burns to touch it, looks like ill need some aluminum foil on the sticks to go further

 

Atm for 2.46v oc its stable at 8-11-10-20 160trfc 2t cr, pretty garbage since even elpida hypers will nuke this ram at 1.65v, i do wanna voltmod to see how much more till the cpu imc dies or the ram somehow dies (main concern is imc death for all i know) cause i do wanna get an asus z77 for ram oc and that only tops out at a measly 2.2v so clearly ram is very resilient when it still runs at 2.46v, either its just asus being overly conservative or ivy imcs literally instadie above 2.2v

[thrasher_565]

25 minutes ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

Cause its garbage and i just wanna see how far it goes, also boy does this ram get hot but thats to be expected at this kind of volt, even a fan directly blowing over it is not enough or just barely enough cause it burns to touch it, looks like ill need some aluminum foil on the sticks to go further

 

Atm for 2.46v oc its stable at 8-11-10-20 160trfc 2t cr, pretty garbage since even elpida hypers will nuke this ram at 1.65v, i do wanna voltmod to see how much more till the cpu imc dies or the ram somehow dies (main concern is imc death for all i know) cause i do wanna get an asus z77 for ram oc and that only tops out at a measly 2.2v so clearly ram is very resilient when it still runs at 2.46v, either its just asus being overly conservative or ivy imcs literally instadie above 2.2v

well if you want to make your own heat spreder i would get some copper plate cut it get some thermal pads and probly put a bolt on both sides posably add a thicker stronger peae on top so it dose not bow. but probly cost more then the $3 heat spreader...

 

ya it might be garbage but if it takes out the mb, cpu, ram and passably psu... but i guess that's up to you haha

 

oh j 2cents jsut did a video on cooling a m.2 kinda intresting

 

 

Edited May 9, 2022 by thrasher_565

[Somerandomtechyboi]

18 minutes ago, thrasher_565 said:

ya it might be garbage but if it takes out the mb, cpu, ram and passably psu... but i guess that's up to you haha

Psu is also trash, board is the only thing i really care about and killing my psu is unlikely unless a power surge happens to get to the psu, gpu is also trash though its still a perfectly good display adapter so killing that is also needless

 

Cpu is trash and idfk if i kill it, same with rams

[Somerandomtechyboi]

 

Did it anyways and seems like thermal paste is adequate enough to adhere the foil to the rams

 

It actually did help with temps and now when i touch the ics it gets near burning instead of burning basically instantly so i guess i can assume ~5-10c drop in temps, though i wonder if putting tiny heatsinks on the rams would work better

[thrasher_565]

16 hours ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

 

Did it anyways and seems like thermal paste is adequate enough to adhere the foil to the rams

 

It actually did help with temps and now when i touch the ics it gets near burning instead of burning basically instantly so i guess i can assume ~5-10c drop in temps, though i wonder if putting tiny heatsinks on the rams would work better

imo buy stuff that will help you make better destions like a temp gun... i mean you clearly like doing this stuff so makes scene to me but i dont no call me crazy.

[Blue4130]

16 hours ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

 

 

Did it anyways and seems like thermal paste is adequate enough to adhere the foil to the rams

 

It actually did help with temps and now when i touch the ics it gets near burning instead of burning basically instantly so i guess i can assume ~5-10c drop in temps, though i wonder if putting tiny heatsinks on the rams would work better

You need something with more mass. That small amount of metal will get thermal soaked rather quickly.

[Somerandomtechyboi]

3 minutes ago, Blue4130 said:

You need something with more mass. That small amount of metal will get thermal soaked rather quickly.

Its purely to increase surface area, though how bad is it to just let the thing heatsoak?

[Guest]

You need a better board if you want more than 2.4v. Which is your base point at 1066mhz 5-5-5-15 DDR2 sticks. Which even at this voltage doesn't require heat spreaders.

 

Typically the tape used to adhere the sinks is counter productive to heat transfer. 

 

Around 3.2v (for DDR2) max on ambient cooling (actively with a fan, heat sinks or not.)

 

Good Luck!

 

 

[Blue4130]

1 hour ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

Its purely to increase surface area, though how bad is it to just let the thing heatsoak?

Surface area alone is not enough. Surface area is good for geting rid of the heat after the mass is heatfilled. Without the mass, the quantity of "heat" able to be absorbed is almost none.

[Somerandomtechyboi]

23 minutes ago, Blue4130 said:

Surface area alone is not enough. Surface area is good for geting rid of the heat after the mass is heatfilled. Without the mass, the quantity of "heat" able to be absorbed is almost none.

Though clearly it was helping with a fan blowing over the rams, so i guess it heatsoaks fast but add abit of airflow and itll balance itself

 

Though is there any adhesive thats good at conducting heat? Or better off mounting the heatsink rather than glueing the heatsink to the rams so i use thermal paste instead and its easier to take off the heatsink? If i cant figure out a mounting mechanism for my ram heatspreader that i can stick a tec cooler on then i may consider adhesive, though i will try avoid it as much as possible just because adhesive is a PITA to remove

[Blue4130]

9 hours ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

Though clearly it was helping with a fan blowing over the rams, so i guess it heatsoaks fast but add abit of airflow and itll balance itself

 

Though is there any adhesive thats good at conducting heat? Or better off mounting the heatsink rather than glueing the heatsink to the rams so i use thermal paste instead and its easier to take off the heatsink? If i cant figure out a mounting mechanism for my ram heatspreader that i can stick a tec cooler on then i may consider adhesive, though i will try avoid it as much as possible just because adhesive is a PITA to remove

Zipties. 

[Somerandomtechyboi]

37 minutes ago, Blue4130 said:

Zipties. 

If theres a will theres a way i guess, but that would prob be wrapping the rams with zipties, maybe itll work

[Guest]

Yeah but for like less than 5 bucks though....

 

If you actually think they would help......

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/303636920655?chn=ps&_trkparms=ispr%3D1&amdata=enc%3A1jGCC9qMsQKWxLm-Hiy7gHA18&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=303636920655&targetid=1599090335697&device=m&mktype=&googleloc=9021490&poi=&campaignid=15275224983&mkgroupid=131097072938&rlsatarget=pla-1599090335697&abcId=9300697&merchantid=260814878&gclid=Cj0KCQjwg_iTBhDrARIsAD3Ib5hogP9PSG0zDd7wFFGgcbxCeORC6j_c56Y9sVWzJ-_AX8IYsIAlzq4aAkxGEALw_wcB

[Somerandomtechyboi]

1 hour ago, Guest 5150 said:

Yeah but for like less than 5 bucks though....

 

If you actually think they would help......

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/303636920655?chn=ps&_trkparms=ispr%3D1&amdata=enc%3A1jGCC9qMsQKWxLm-Hiy7gHA18&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=303636920655&targetid=1599090335697&device=m&mktype=&googleloc=9021490&poi=&campaignid=15275224983&mkgroupid=131097072938&rlsatarget=pla-1599090335697&abcId=9300697&merchantid=260814878&gclid=Cj0KCQjwg_iTBhDrARIsAD3Ib5hogP9PSG0zDd7wFFGgcbxCeORC6j_c56Y9sVWzJ-_AX8IYsIAlzq4aAkxGEALw_wcB

Nah i think foil is fine enough (atleast under airflow), for tec cooling the top of the rams needs to accomodate a tec so no mounting systems ontop the rams, maybe ziptieing around the rams would work but ill have to look at proper aftermarket heatspreaders and not just generic heatspreaders for reference on a mounting mechanism

[Guest]

51 minutes ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

Nah i think foil is fine enough (atleast under airflow), for tec cooling the top of the rams needs to accomodate a tec so no mounting systems ontop the rams, maybe ziptieing around the rams would work but ill have to look at proper aftermarket heatspreaders and not just generic heatspreaders for reference on a mounting mechanism

What is the TEC part number you have. I use 12715 40mm. Without a controller, it's a heat pump. But with the right cooling, skies the limit. I successfully chilled a de-lidded 2700X to 4ghz with one. 

 

Plate across the top of the memory. Copper would suffice. Want that memory to freeze solid with a TEC, use a mini pond pump and a bucket of ice water. The difference from hot side to cold side is 30c. So if you can get the hot side close to 0c, you'll have a cold plate around -30c. 

 

But yeah, air cooling the tec may leave you disappointed

 

 

 

 

[Somerandomtechyboi]

3 hours ago, Guest 5150 said:

What is the TEC part number you have. I use 12715 40mm. Without a controller, it's a heat pump. But with the right cooling, skies the limit. I successfully chilled a de-lidded 2700X to 4ghz with one. 

 

Plate across the top of the memory. Copper would suffice. Want that memory to freeze solid with a TEC, use a mini pond pump and a bucket of ice water. The difference from hot side to cold side is 30c. So if you can get the hot side close to 0c, you'll have a cold plate around -30c. 

 

But yeah, air cooling the tec may leave you disappointed

Im gonna watercool the tec with a waterloop, i think ill be using a 12706 tec

 

Btw what does a tec controller do? I reckon i can get something similar with just a buck boost converter and a digital thermostat

[Guest]

6 hours ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

Im gonna watercool the tec with a waterloop, i think ill be using a 12706 tec

 

Btw what does a tec controller do? I reckon i can get something similar with just a buck boost converter and a digital thermostat

A controller.... controls the TEC?? Just a wild guess.

To properly run a TEC, you want a 15v power supply.

 

The 12706 TEC should be enough for chilling memory I think. But won't be the 90w at 12v. It will be a little less, maybe like 75w or so. 

 

Water loop is a good idea to cool the TEC. Just remember what I was saying about the thermal difference. 

 

Would definitely use some sealing on the board and dielectrical grease in the memory sockets.