Please someone help me with my CPU (performing poorly) (No longer I suspect it's my GPU at fault, it works fine on other rig)

[E3FL]

6 minutes ago, jaslion said:

Yes do multicore in r23

 

Then we can see what performance it has in a not memory dependant benchmark.

 

Just to see if there is no problem there

Alright so it has finished with a score of 17847, the cpu was at around 78~ Degrees C but i think thats fine being all cores were at 100% load, i dont think it thermal throttles to be honest

[jaslion]

3 minutes ago, E3FL said:

Alright so it has finished with a score of 17847, the cpu was at around 78~ Degrees C but i think thats fine being all cores were at 100% load, i dont think it thermal throttles to be honest

1000 ish off average but thats fine.

 

So now we know the cpu works fine.

 

Id say try a gpu benchmark like unigene superposition at 1080p extreme. Its a lot less system ram dependant too and not disk intensive.

 

 

[E3FL]

5 minutes ago, jaslion said:

1000 ish off average but thats fine.

 

So now we know the cpu works fine.

 

Id say try a gpu benchmark like unigene superposition at 1080p extreme. Its a lot less system ram dependant too and not disk intensive.

 

 

The GPU scored 9390 points, got to around 75 Degrees, think that's fine, just thought id mention the temps in case thats not normal

 

BTW thanks for taking the time to help me, im not sure of the time zone youre in but for me its very very early but i really appreciate the help 

[jaslion]

39 minutes ago, E3FL said:

The GPU scored 9390 points, got to around 75 Degrees, think that's fine, just thought id mention the temps in case thats not normal

 

BTW thanks for taking the time to help me, im not sure of the time zone youre in but for me its very very early but i really appreciate the help 

Spot on average.

 

So yeah your components are working as intended in non storage non memory heavy applications.

 

Temps are perfectly fine too.

 

So pretty much points to the memory being an issue and ssd for larger games

 

Id really advice you to simply get another stick of the same memory (what speed and cl latency is it rn?) and then see how that goes.

 

After that opt for a faster ssd as the qvo drives really are only meant for storage

[E3FL]

2 minutes ago, jaslion said:

Spot on average.

 

So yeah your components are working as intended in non storage non memory heavy applications.

 

Temps are perfectly fine too.

 

So pretty much points to the memory being an issue and ssd for larger games

 

Id really advice you to simply get another stick of the same memory (what speed and cl latency is it rn?) and then see how that goes.

 

After that opt for a faster ssd as the qvo drives really are only meant for storage

At the current moment I used D.O.C.P and it put it to 3200 MHz, I think you're on to something when you mention the SSD, I really didn't think it was anything too outdated, but regardless I was going to opt for a M.2 drive anyways

 

[jaslion]

Just now, E3FL said:

At the current moment I used D.O.C.P and it put it to 3200 MHz, I think you're on to something when you mention the SSD, I really didn't think it was anything too outdated, but regardless I was going to opt for a M.2 drive anyways

 

Dont forget about memory because I am not joking when not having dual channel active causes a 50% performance hit.

 

A lot of tests show that it can be between 60-20% worse and always causes stuttering

[E3FL]

Just now, jaslion said:

Dont forget about memory because I am not joking when not having dual channel active causes a 50% performance hit.

 

A lot of tests show that it can be between 60-20% worse and always causes stuttering

Yeah someone's told me about that but as I said earlier maybe I just didn't bump up the dual ram freq. I borrowed. That's something I'll definitely have to try. Bummer that my friend no longer left ves around here anymore to test that but it's worth a shot as I am absolutely clueless, if that's all, I truly appreciate everything you've mentioned so far and it's given me a lot to hope about

 

[jaslion]

Just now, E3FL said:

Yeah someone's told me about that but as I said earlier maybe I just didn't bump up the dual ram freq. I borrowed. That's something I'll definitely have to try. Bummer that my friend no longer left ves around here anymore to test that but it's worth a shot as I am absolutely clueless, if that's all, I truly appreciate everything you've mentioned so far and it's given me a lot to hope about

 

Yeah as is your components individually are workinf as intended but seems when they need to work togheter it goes belly up

 

Make sure when you get ram to read your motherboards manual and stick em in the right slots

[E3FL]

4 minutes ago, jaslion said:

Yeah as is your components individually are workinf as intended but seems when they need to work togheter it goes belly up

 

Make sure when you get ram to read your motherboards manual and stick em in the right slots

Yeah funny you say that I JUST did that lol, I had seen either slot 2 or 4 would work but I swear slot 4 is just more consistent. I hope just the SSD and RAM bottlenecks are the answers to this problem, which is most likely is to be honest

 

[jaslion]

Just now, E3FL said:

Yeah funny you say that I JUST did that lol, I had seen either slot 2 or 4 would work but I swear slot 4 is just more consistent. I hope just the SSD and RAM bottlenecks are the answers to this problem, which is most likely is to be honest

 

Everything points to it so it should really be the problem

 

I mean numbers dont lie

[E3FL]

2 minutes ago, jaslion said:

Everything points to it so it should really be the problem

 

I mean numbers dont lie

I sure hope so. Anyways man, you've been a true hero, no doubt you have helped hundreds of people as well being you've been a member since 2013. I'm not saying what you're mentioning is a 100% fix but it is at least something I am hopeful for, and I will definitely follow this advice. Whether it's the fix or not I will not hold that against you, you are just trying to help and that's truly heroic. Anyways, continue what you do my man, maybe If I remember and get my PC to work maybe I'll post an update

[jaslion]

4 minutes ago, E3FL said:

I sure hope so. Anyways man, you've been a true hero, no doubt you have helped hundreds of people as well being you've been a member since 2013. I'm not saying what you're mentioning is a 100% fix but it is at least something I am hopeful for, and I will definitely follow this advice. Whether it's the fix or not I will not hold that against you, you are just trying to help and that's truly heroic. Anyways, continue what you do my man, maybe If I remember and get my PC to work maybe I'll post an update

This is also why I prefer in person repair.

 

Because here I need to basically make other people do all the tests I would do and then as acccuratly as possible offer solutions. Whilst in person I can just be like aight spare 2x4 kit gogogog and stuff.

[E3FL]

Two years. Two years I've had a 3070 Ti with gpu utilization of upwards of 30% utilization. I have gotten 0 help from this matter. People have told me I need a really good power supply, so I bought a EVGA 750 Watt GOLD standard PSU for 150$, didnt work, people said my gpu may be faulty. gave it to a friend on his rig, worked like a charm, people said "It's because you're using Single Channel RAM, nope, borrow a really high end QUAD channel ram kit, nope, bad cpu? Nope, got it RMA'd, still nothing, yes before any of you say "RYZEN cpu's NEED dual channel ram or its  a 50% performance loss, no, that's not true, i've tested that theory twice, still nothing. I have reseated this GPU 15 times, i have reseated and recabled EVERYTHING like 3 times, what's the problem? No conflicting drivers, no viruses, I've reformatted my whole pc, still nothing, lower graphics doesn't help, (actually lowering it that mades it WORSE??) If anyone thinks i am legitimately joking, I will record high settings (like 70 FPS on a 3070 TI???) and low settings is like 15??????? I dont get it. It's been like this for 2 years, this is the 5th time i make a forum, my RAM is not the problem. I have tried it, everytime i post this problem someone mentions its RAM, it's not, i promise you. The single channel RAM is in its recommended slot for single channel as well.

 

SPECS:

CPU: RYZEN 9 3900x 

GPU: RTX 3070 Ti Founder's Edition

Motherboard: X570-PLUS TuF gaming (Wi-Fi)

SSD: Samsung SSD 870 QVO 1 TB 

RAM: GSkill, 16 GB Single Channel

PSU: EVGA 750W GOLD SuperNova

 

I am seriously at a loss. And before you mention the SSD is the problem, I 100% doubt a SSD influences all these problems. I am currently playing some of the LATEST games at HIGH settings/ (sometimes LOW to recoupe SOME fps..) I get roughly 80 FPS on even some of the OLDEST games I own. This is unacceptable. I doubt a SSD will fix ALL if this. it's not possible. And im not spending more money on this, I literally can't this costed me 3000 dollars (inflation) i refuse to spend more, ive already learned my lesson buying a new psu, i just cant, i just cant. Either my system is forever fucked, or im a dumbass, please, i begging for help on this, i am so tired of coming back here for help, AMD will not help me, NVIDIA closed my ticket before I even told them none of their prompts helped. I am so helpless here. 

 

[191x7]

Which resolution are you playing on?

 

Which tool are you using for the measuring (of the gpu usage)?

If it's MSI afterburner, have you turned the option "unified GPU monitoring" on?

 

Using the latest motherbiard bios?

 

Sell that RAM, buy 2 8GB sticks.

Not the cause of low gpu usage, but it DOES cause some nice performance drop compared to dual chanel. The performance drop, if everything was working fine, ranges from 10 to 40 percent based on the game used. Also, Ryzen does not use "quad channel" so your testing with a quad channel RAM cit would not improve over just dual channel. If everything was working right. If theres a different problem, them the RAM probably wouldn't help.

 

What do you cool that 3900x with?

[mr fobs]

2 minutes ago, 191x7 said:

 

 

What do you cool that 3900x with?

Yea I am curious about Temps for both the GPU and CPU. Could be some thermal throttling happening.

[E3FL]

21 minutes ago, 191x7 said:

Which resolution are you playing on?

 

Which tool are you using for the measuring (of the gpu usage)?

If it's MSI afterburner, have you turned the option "unified GPU monitoring" on?

 

Using the latest motherbiard bios?

 

Sell that RAM, buy 2 8GB sticks.

Not the cause of low gpu usage, but it DOES cause some nice performance drop compared to dual chanel. The performance drop, if everything was working fine, ranges from 10 to 40 percent based on the game used. Also, Ryzen does not use "quad channel" so your testing with a quad channel RAM cit would not improve over just dual channel. If everything was working right. If theres a different problem, them the RAM probably wouldn't help.

 

What do you cool that 3900x with?

Firstly, thank you so much for your reply. 

 

I currently play at 1080p with a 144hz refresh monitor 

 

I use NVIDIA'S Alt+Z's monitoring and MSI Afterburner

 

I want to say that I am but to be completely honest I could have not installed the motherboard Bios drivers correctlyz I feel that I did but it's my first time updating bios drivers so I could be mistaken

 

I appreciate you recommending me to get dual channel RAM but Ia sure you, I have borrowed a quad channel HyperX RAM kit and that did absolutely nothing. I even took two away and still no difference. 

 

I use a Cooler Master Hyper 212 Air Cooler for the 3900x, it usually never breaks 70°C in games but most I've seen was 77°C under CineBench 

 

I've narrowed my problem down to that my gpu just isn't be utilized. I've looked online for months and months. Truthfully I wish I didn't have to come here as it seems such an easy fix. 

 

Thanks.

 

[E3FL]

32 minutes ago, mr fobs said:

Yea I am curious about Temps for both the GPU and CPU. Could be some thermal throttling happening.

 

8 minutes ago, E3FL said:

Firstly, thank you so much for your reply. 

 

I currently play at 1080p with a 144hz refresh monitor 

 

I use NVIDIA'S Alt+Z's monitoring and MSI Afterburner

 

I want to say that I am but to be completely honest I could have not installed the motherboard Bios drivers correctlyz I feel that I did but it's my first time updating bios drivers so I could be mistaken

 

I appreciate you recommending me to get dual channel RAM but Ia sure you, I have borrowed a quad channel HyperX RAM kit and that did absolutely nothing. I even took two away and still no difference. 

 

I use a Cooler Master Hyper 212 Air Cooler for the 3900x, it usually never breaks 70°C in games but most I've seen was 77°C under CineBench 

 

I've narrowed my problem down to that my gpu just isn't be utilized. I've looked online for months and months. Truthfully I wish I didn't have to come here as it seems such an easy fix. 

 

Thanks.

 

Neither one overheats. Gpu sits reasonably at 70 C and sometimes goes to 75 C. CPU when gaming is usually 60~ish C. No thermal throttleing I believe 

[MonkeyBomb]

what resolution does your friends computer run at?

 

At 1080p most of the work is done by the CPU

[E3FL]

10 minutes ago, MonkeyBomb said:

what resolution does your friends computer run at?

 

At 1080p most of the work is done by the CPU

I understand that, but am I wrong when I say that if you lower the settings e.x., resolution, textures, shadows, etc, would that not boost performance? 1080p is easy to run, yet I still get really low performance? I really don't understand.

[191x7]

25 minutes ago, E3FL said:

Firstly, thank you so much for your reply. 

 

I currently play at 1080p with a 144hz refresh monitor 

 

I use NVIDIA'S Alt+Z's monitoring and MSI Afterburner

 

I want to say that I am but to be completely honest I could have not installed the motherboard Bios drivers correctlyz I feel that I did but it's my first time updating bios drivers so I could be mistaken

 

I appreciate you recommending me to get dual channel RAM but Ia sure you, I have borrowed a quad channel HyperX RAM kit and that did absolutely nothing. I even took two away and still no difference. 

 

I use a Cooler Master Hyper 212 Air Cooler for the 3900x, it usually never breaks 70°C in games but most I've seen was 77°C under CineBench 

 

I've narrowed my problem down to that my gpu just isn't be utilized. I've looked online for months and months. Truthfully I wish I didn't have to come here as it seems such an easy fix. 

 

Thanks.

 

Check the bios version you have using CPU-Z.

Flash the latest if its not already flashed. Highly likely its not.

 

Low GPU utilization usually means something is bottlenecking the GPU from being fully used.

 

People lock frames or use v-sync, but that decreases GPU load.

People use low details and a low resolution or play a low intensity game; that severely decreases utilization.

People forget drivers, use overheating or weak CPU-s, single channel RAM etc...

 

Do this. Run 3DMark Firestrike and after that Timespy. 3Dmark is free. Tell us the scores. That way we will know if your performance is diminished or is it in line with other 3070 scores.

[E3FL]

21 minutes ago, 191x7 said:

Check the bios version you have using CPU-Z.

Flash the latest if its not already flashed. Highly likely its not.

 

Low GPU utilization usually means something is bottlenecking the GPU from being fully used.

 

People lock frames or use v-sync, but that decreases GPU load.

People use low details and a low resolution or play a low intensity game; that severely decreases utilization.

People forget drivers, use overheating or weak CPU-s, single channel RAM etc...

 

Do this. Run 3DMark Firestrike and after that Timespy. 3Dmark is free. Tell us the scores. That way we will know if your performance is diminished or is it in line with other 3070 scores.

Motherboard's bios seem to be up to date, driver date is 4/27/2022

 

Fire strike scored 27,192, 800 points below average, nothing seems wrong about that benchmark

 

Timespy faired a score of 13,170, about 1000 off average. 

 

GPU temps were about 75 C average

 

CPU temps average I'd say 62-65 C through the whole thing. 

 

 

 

[191x7]

4 minutes ago, E3FL said:

Motherboard's bios seem to be up to date, driver date is 4/27/2022

 

Fire strike scored 27,192, 800 points below average, nothing seems wrong about that benchmark

 

Timespy faired a score of 13,170, about 1000 off average. 

 

GPU temps were about 75 C average

 

CPU temps average I'd say 62-65 C through the whole thing. 

 

 

 

This is the latest AMD chipset driver, it's from August 2022 not April.

https://www.amd.com/en/support/chipsets/amd-socket-am4/x570

 

The latest BIOS for your board is from the end of May. The same version number 4403 as for my board (X570-P). 

 

https://www.asus.com/Motherboards-Components/Motherboards/TUF-Gaming/TUF-GAMING-X570-PLUS-WI-FI/HelpDesk_BIOS/

 

It's dated April the 27, so I guess by drivers you've meant the Bios version.

 

Are you sure you don't lack the chipset drivers?

 

The Firestrike and TimeSpy scores you've got are fine. The others score more because of dual channel RAM and many have been tested with stronger (gaming) CPU-s like Intel Alder Lake, AMD zen 3 (5000 series), and Intel 9000/1000/11000 series overclocked.

 

While running a higher-end card like the one you have, on a low resolution like the one you have, and decreasing the details simply makes the GPU not need to run to full extent 

so it enters some lower power states and probably doesn't boost as it would under heavy load + a low resolution and details means the CPU probably can't feed the GPU as much frames as it could render, so the GPU doesn't get enough frames to stay active and thus it downclocks to a lower pover state.

Try using nvidia super resolution (upsaling) to play at 1440p or 4K on your 1080p monitor. You should see a huge boost in GPU usage and some boost in frametime stability.

[E3FL]

7 minutes ago, 191x7 said:

This is the latest AMD chipset driver, it's from August 2022 not April.

https://www.amd.com/en/support/chipsets/amd-socket-am4/x570

 

The latest BIOS for your board is from the end of May. The same version number 4403 as for my board (X570-P). 

 

https://www.asus.com/Motherboards-Components/Motherboards/TUF-Gaming/TUF-GAMING-X570-PLUS-WI-FI/HelpDesk_BIOS/

 

It's dated April the 27, so I guess by drivers you've meant the Bios version.

 

Are you sure you don't lack the chipset drivers?

 

The Firestrike and TimeSpy scores you've got are fine. The others score more because of dual channel RAM and many have been tested with stronger (gaming) CPU-s like Intel Alder Lake, AMD zen 3 (5000 series), and Intel 9000/1000/11000 series overclocked.

 

While running a higher-end card like the one you have, on a low resolution like the one you have, and decreasing the details simply makes the GPU not need to run to full extent 

so it enters some lower power states and probably doesn't boost as it would under heavy load + a low resolution and details means the CPU probably can't feed the GPU as much frames as it could render, so the GPU doesn't get enough frames to stay active and thus it downclocks to a lower pover state.

Try using nvidia super resolution (upsaling) to play at 1440p or 4K on your 1080p monitor. You should see a huge boost in GPU usage and some boost in frametime stability.

Those are some pretty compelling points you've stated. I can try using Nvidia's upscaling feature and maybe I can set a resolution to 1440p, I'm aware a higher resolution means more GPU utilization but for me the games I use to try to benchmark on only has 1080p or 4k respectfully (alas 4k uses 98~% of my GPU but the fps takes a huge hit- but stays above 60 fps so that's nothing to worry about being 4k 60fps is more than playable.) I don't play at 4k but since 1440 will only use more gpu and not hinder fps as much I'll for sure give that a shot. 

 

Thanks

[191x7]

3 minutes ago, E3FL said:

Those are some pretty compelling points you've stated. I can try using Nvidia's upscaling feature and maybe I can set a resolution to 1440p, I'm aware a higher resolution means more GPU utilization but for me the games I use to try to benchmark on only has 1080p or 4k respectfully (alas 4k uses 98~% of my GPU but the fps takes a huge hit- but stays above 60 fps so that's nothing to worry about being 4k 60fps is more than playable.) I don't play at 4k but since 1440 will only use more gpu and not hinder fps as much I'll for sure give that a shot. 

 

Thanks

NVidia calls it Dynamic Super Resolution (DSR) and here's more info about it and how to turn it on:

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/technologies/dsr/technology/

 

And I would advise upgrading the RAM to dual channel. Ram isn't expensive at this time.

 

Also, I forgot to ask about your RAM frequency and XMP (Asus calls it DOCP).

Ryzen is not just Dual Channel dependant, it's also severely affected by RAM speeds. Running it with slow RAM cripples it almsot to the extent of using a weaker CPU.

To get the most out of Ryzen 3000 (Zen 2), the RAM should be 3000+, preferably 3200 to 3600. With 2133, 2400 and 2666 it performs a lot worse.

Let's say a 3700X with DDR4 2400 is so limited it barely outperforms a 2700X with DDR4 3000. A 5800X with DDR4 2400 is usually weaker than a 3700X with DDR4 3600.

 

If your RAM is 16GB 2133/2400/2666, the best upgrade for you would be switching to 2x8GB DDR4 3200 or 3600, or, even better, 2x 16GB DDR4 3200 or 3600.

If your RAM is 16GB 2933, 3000, 3200 or 3600, just add 1 more stick of the same RAM.

That would even allow your CPU to feed the GPU better on 1080p.

In fact, you have the worst possible combination for 1080p.

[E3FL]

Just now, 191x7 said:

NVidia calls it Dynamic Super Resolution (DSR) and here's more info about it and how to turn it on:

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/technologies/dsr/technology/

 

And I would advise upgrading the RAM to dual channel. Ram isn't expensive at this time.

 

Also, I forgot to ask about your RAM frequency and XMP (Asus calls it DOCP).

Ryzen is not just Dual Channel dependant, it's also severely affected by RAM speeds. Running it with slow RAM cripples it almsot to the extent of using a weaker CPU.

To get the most out of Ryzen 3000 (Zen 2), the RAM should be 3000+, preferably 3200 to 3600. With 2133, 2400 and 2666 it performs a lot worse.

Let's say a 3700X with DDR4 2400 is so limited it barely outperforms a 2700X with DDR4 3000. A 5800X with DDR4 2400 is usually weaker than a 3700X with DDR4 3600.

 

If your RAM is 16GB 2133/2400/2666, the best upgrade for you would be switching to 2x8GB DDR4 3200 or 3600, or, even better, 2x 16GB DDR4 3200 or 3600.

If your RAM is 16GB 2933, 3000, 3200 or 3600, just add 1 more stick of the same RAM.

That would even allow your CPU to feed the GPU better on 1080p.

In fact, you have the worst possible combination for 1080p.

I do not enable D.O.C.P., i blue screen everytime its enable, but i did manually set the freq. to 3000 MHz, as 3200 is too much for it and blue screens