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Nvidia Gddr6x silent nerf?

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I found my answer: turns out you need to download the newest version of Invidiaprofileinspector off of github, then disable Cuda Force P2. Apparently it's the make certain Cuda workloads more stable and not supposed to effect games, but it's just hard stuck on. Silent nerf confirmed.

If I recall correctly, since October 2021's driver update combined with the latest vBios from your manufacturer, the Memory speed 19Gbps at a clock of 9500Mhz has been silently nerfed. I tried googling and resolving my issue but even DDU didn't fix it. The issue is no matter what I do, the memory will always do 9250Mhz at stock. When overclocked, it will always have this mysterious negative 250Mhz offset. Reinstalling the driver will temporarily fix the issue until your next non-fast boot restart. A fix I've been using till now is just to add another 250Mhz into my overclock. GPU-Z shows that my overclock targets 10750Mhz for an actual clock of 10500 in games. One google answer is: "It doesn't matter, barely a difference" but I would argue that it's an issue when the base Advertised specs say 9500Mhz, and they deliver 9250Mhz. Now I've asked around and it's either small pockets of isolated issues, or not everyone is tech savvy enough to check.

The cause of the problem seems to be driver or vBios related. My card is the Strix Oc 3080 Ti with the latest vBios and driver. When using NvidiaInspector, it seems to be related to the P2 power state being triggered instead of P0. For unknown reasons, you cannot simply fix the P2 state as it automagically applies a 250Mhz negative offset compared to P0 which is the actual target memory speed it should have been applying. This leads me to suspect that my P0 state is simply unreachable, but also that I'm not alone in this issue and that the 250Mhz offset has been found by a few other users on the internet.

 

One theory I have is that Nvidia implemented their LHR incorrectly and it is affecting the base operation of their cards. Another one is that due to a supply shortage of these cards, they're unwilling to handle RMAs and would like to lower the rate of RMAs via artificial limits to decrease the rate of failure.

I would like to ask anyone with 3070 Ti or higher (using GDDR6X) to:

  1. check their speeds in game and post if you also have this issue or not
  2. confirm you're running latest vBios and drivers?
  3. Are you stock/overclocking?
  4. What your PC specs are

 

My specs are:

Windows 10 Pro 64bit build 19043
AMD 5950X PBO
4x8Gb DDR4 3800 Cl16 @Fclock 1900
X570 Dark Hero Motherboard Bios 3904
Asus Strix OC 3080 Ti Bios 94.02.71.00.49, Driver 511.79

Target Memory Clock 10750, actual 10500
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Specs:

  • 5950X -30 all core curve, +200 Mhz offset
  • H150i 360mm AIO
  • Asus X570 Dark Hero
  • 4x8GB DDR4 3600 CL14
  • Asus Strix OC 3080 Ti
  • EVGA 1600G+
  • 13xAL120 V2 Uni fans
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Have you tried setting "prefer maximum performance" in nvidia control panel "power management mode"?

 

I don't have applicable hardware to look further myself.

Gaming system: R7 7800X3D, Asus ROG Strix B650E-F Gaming Wifi, Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE ARGB, Corsair Vengeance 2x 32GB 6000C30, RTX 4070, MSI MPG A850G, Fractal Design North, Samsung 990 Pro 2TB, Acer Predator XB241YU 24" 1440p 144Hz G-Sync + HP LP2475w 24" 1200p 60Hz wide gamut
Productivity system: i9-7980XE, Asus X299 TUF mark 2, Noctua D15, 64GB ram (mixed), RTX 3070, NZXT E850, GameMax Abyss, Samsung 980 Pro 2TB, random 1080p + 720p displays.
Gaming laptop: Lenovo Legion 5, 5800H, RTX 3070, Kingston DDR4 3200C22 2x16GB 2Rx8, Kingston Fury Renegade 1TB + Crucial P1 1TB SSD, 165 Hz IPS 1080p G-Sync Compatible

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25 minutes ago, porina said:

Have you tried setting "prefer maximum performance" in nvidia control panel "power management mode"?

 

I don't have applicable hardware to look further myself.

Not the same. That toggle just tries to save power when in desktop or light load. The only benefit to turning that on high performance is to make the GPU more consistent when assets load in and it tries to clock down during that downtime. That power saving feature didn't affect the 250Mhz offset.

Specs:

  • 5950X -30 all core curve, +200 Mhz offset
  • H150i 360mm AIO
  • Asus X570 Dark Hero
  • 4x8GB DDR4 3600 CL14
  • Asus Strix OC 3080 Ti
  • EVGA 1600G+
  • 13xAL120 V2 Uni fans
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I found my answer: turns out you need to download the newest version of Invidiaprofileinspector off of github, then disable Cuda Force P2. Apparently it's the make certain Cuda workloads more stable and not supposed to effect games, but it's just hard stuck on. Silent nerf confirmed.

Specs:

  • 5950X -30 all core curve, +200 Mhz offset
  • H150i 360mm AIO
  • Asus X570 Dark Hero
  • 4x8GB DDR4 3600 CL14
  • Asus Strix OC 3080 Ti
  • EVGA 1600G+
  • 13xAL120 V2 Uni fans
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