Scythe Big Shuriken 3 Enough for 5800x?

[bappled]

I'm going to upgrade my 3600 to a 5800x and am wondering if my current CPU cooler, the Scythe Big Shuriken 3, is enough for cooling the 5800x?

 

I would like to avoid having to buy a new cooler if possible, but if it's not enough to cool the 5800x, I can afford to buy an AIO. If I'm going to buy the AIO however, I'll likely need to buy a new PSU with it since an AIO cannot fit in the case I'm currently using alongside an ATX PSU.

 

I'll be gaming at 1080p and my GPU is a RTX2070 and my PSU is a BitFenix 550W gold. Current build

 

I'm using a SSUPD Meshilicious case so it should be well ventilated (all-mesh side panel version). Two exhaust fans in front so case is at negative pressure.

 

If I don't need to upgrade my CPU cooler, likely I'll buy new/better case fans to help with airflow.

 

Any feedback is appreciated

[freeagent]

I would say no. And no to the AIO as well, if you value your money..

 

But in the end.. I really don't know. You would have to mount it and see how she does 

[YoungBlade]

The Ryzen 5 3600 runs at a 65W TDP whereas the Ryzen 7 5800X runs at a 105W TDP. While AMD TDP numbers are kinda BS, it does reflect that, at stock, the 5800X draws about 60% more power, and so will put off about 60% more heat, which is not insubstantial.

 

How hot does your 3600 run now?

 

Also, if it doesn't work well, there are things you could do, like reducing the PPT, TDC, EDC settings, to make the 5800X consume less power without losing much performance, and in typical gaming workloads, it's not going to consume much more power than your current CPU anyway. I've tried daily driving my 5900X at "65W TDP" values (88 PPT, 60 TDC, 90 EDC) just to see how it does and I get about 85% of the multicore performance with no loss in single core performance. I don't even notice a difference in games.

[freeagent]

I run something like 200, 140, 180, so I may be a little biased..

[bappled]

16 minutes ago, YoungBlade said:

The Ryzen 5 3600 runs at a 65W TDP whereas the Ryzen 7 5800X runs at a 105W TDP. While AMD TDP numbers are kinda BS, it does reflect that, at stock, the 5800X draws about 60% more power, and so will put off about 60% more heat, which is not insubstantial.

 

How hot does your 3600 run now?

 

Also, if it doesn't work well, there are things you could do, like reducing the PPT, TDC, EDC settings, to make the 5800X consume less power without losing much performance, and in typical gaming workloads, it's not going to consume much more power than your current CPU anyway. I've tried daily driving my 5900X at "65W TDP" values (88 PPT, 60 TDC, 90 EDC) just to see how it does and I get about 85% of the multicore performance with no loss in single core performance. I don't even notice a difference in games.

I play multiple single player games and Valorant mostly. Using QuickCPU, while playing Valorant I hit no more than ~55C and games like RDR2, Cyberpunk, Control, I gets temps between 55-63C.
Would I reduce the PPT, TDC, and EDC in BIOs? I've never done this before. Could you link me a guide that you find helpful? 

I've also asked about this on Reddit and one user replied "More than enough". Does their answer hold any truth behind it? 

[IkeaGnome]

I ran my 5800x under a L12i. I had to use fairly heavy PBO. I was at -20ish counts. I could have gone higher, but I was overheating my PSU(case I used had a poor thermal layout)

[Monkey Dust]

6 minutes ago, bappled said:

I play multiple single player games and Valorant mostly. Using QuickCPU, while playing Valorant I hit no more than ~55C and games like RDR2, Cyberpunk, Control, I gets temps between 55-63C.
Would I reduce the PPT, TDC, and EDC in BIOs? I've never done this before. Could you link me a guide that you find helpful? 

I've also asked about this on Reddit and one user replied "More than enough". Does their answer hold any truth behind it? 

Cooling your 3600 is clearly a walk in the park for the Scythe, it will be fine with a 5800X. It would probably be fine with a 5900X, though that may get a bit noisy.

[KaitouX]

13 minutes ago, Monkey Dust said:

Cooling your 3600 is clearly a walk in the park for the Scythe, it will be fine with a 5800X. It would probably be fine with a 5900X, though that may get a bit noisy.

The 5900X is easier to cool than the 5800X, both use the same amount of power but the 5900X spreads the heat across 2 chiplets.

 

It should be no problem to cool the 5800X with that cooler but the temps are going to be on the higher side, and if you have issues with temperatures you can just use the Eco Mode or undervolt it to lower the power consumption.

[bappled]

7 minutes ago, KaitouX said:

The 5900X is easier to cool than the 5800X, both use the same amount of power but the 5900X spreads the heat across 2 chiplets.

 

It should be no problem to cool the 5800X with that cooler but the temps are going to be on the higher side, and if you have issues with temperatures you can just use the Eco Mode or undervolt it to lower the power consumption.

Would Eco mode and undervolting both be done in Bios?

[IkeaGnome]

1 minute ago, bappled said:

Would Eco mode and undervolting both be done in Bios?

Here's the guide I followed.

 

[freeagent]

I wouldn’t get too interested in eco mode, you would be gimping the cpu.. Regardless of the amount, a loss is a loss.

 

If I were you I would just run it and find out..

[bappled]

1 hour ago, Monkey Dust said:

Cooling your 3600 is clearly a walk in the park for the Scythe, it will be fine with a 5800X. It would probably be fine with a 5900X, though that may get a bit noisy.

Do you think a 120mm AIO would do the trick? I could swap out my cooler without having to change my PSU (in theory).

 

or would a 120mm AIO be equivalent to the air cooler I have right now?

 

and by equivalent I mean in terms of cooling potential for a 5800x.

[freeagent]

6 hours ago, KaitouX said:

The 5900X is easier to cool than the 5800X, both use the same amount of power but the 5900X spreads the heat across 2 chiplets.

I have a 5600X too, and that thing is super easy to cool. Way easier than my 5900X using the same hardware, same cooler. I can get 144w PPT out of it, 240s on my 5900X.

[bappled]

17 hours ago, freeagent said:

I have a 5600X too, and that thing is super easy to cool. Way easier than my 5900X using the same hardware, same cooler. I can get 144w PPT out of it, 240s on my 5900X.

I considered the 5600X but as of right now the difference between that and the 5800X (on sale) is $10-20. Hence why I'm pretty set on the 5800X.

[freeagent]

2 hours ago, bappled said:

I considered the 5600X but as of right now the difference between that and the 5800X (on sale) is $10-20. Hence why I'm pretty set on the 5800X.

I got mine last year when they were a little tougher to get, its been on a shelf for about 10 months now

[Guest]

10 minutes ago, freeagent said:

I got mine last year when they were a little tougher to get, its been on a shelf for about 10 months now

Watcha want for it? 

[freeagent]

13 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

Watcha want for it? 

I would love to sell her to you my friend, but I can’t part with her, she is a unicorn

 

I am shopping for a board right now, looking at an Assrock because they have some killer deals right now.. looking to retire the Z77..