My thermal paste idea, could it work

[brownninja97]

I had an idea(i suggest you make a backup of your brain so that you can recover from the brain cells you are about to loose).

 

So what happens is that something in your pc is overheating or getting hot so you get non conductive thermal paste(so you dont fry anything). Buy like 50 of them and throw the paste bloody everywhere, cover your whole build in the stuff. Now would that help the heat transfer to go from an heatsink for example to the air where your fans do the rest of the work.

 

If you didnt understand that here is a shortened version

 

Computer+ thermal paste on bloody everything = success.

 

I understand there could be dust problems and things could get sticky but would it help?

[Guest]

I had an idea(i suggest you make a backup of your brain so that you can recover from the brain cells you are about to loose).

 

So what happens is that something in your pc is overheating or getting hot so you get non conductive thermal paste(so you dont fry anything). Buy like 50 of them and throw the paste bloody everywhere, cover your whole build in the stuff. Now would that help the heat transfer to go from an heatsink for example to the air where your fans do the rest of the work.

 

If you didnt understand that here is a shortened version

 

Computer+ thermal paste on bloody everything = success.

 

I understand there could be dust problems and things could get sticky but would it help?

no

[FloRolf]

that would basically f*ck everything up quite seriously.

[toggleguy]

that would probably be stupid, but you can try it!

[Brapson]

I made a backup of my brain but my HDD failed...

 

I seriously doubt this would work, like 99.9% sure it would just screw things up.

[brownninja97]

that would basically f*ck everything up quite seriously.

non conductive wouldnt affect anything, if it conducts then its a problem

 

I made a backup of my brain but my HDD failed...

 

I seriously doubt this would work, like 99.9% sure it would just screw things up.

[WyzeGye]

This is a good idea until you realize what thermal paste does and why you use it.

 

The thermal paste is there to effectively transfer heat from the die to the heatsink. If you think thermal paste has cooling properties of it's own, take your computer's heatsink off and slather on a bunch of paste and try running it.

 

You just fried your CPU didn't you? 

 

Science!

[Lord Pantaloons]

this is an awful idea, shame on you.

[FloRolf]

non conductive wouldnt affect anything, if it conducts then its a problem

 

I dont mean like fry everything but more like isolate in some way.

[Puppet]

To my knowledge thermal paste is actually worse for heat transfer than metal to metal contact, but because it fills in the gaps you get a larger surface area, making it useful.

 

It doesn't even deserve a response, but putting it everywhere would probably insulate more than anything..

[Blade of Grass]

To my knowledge thermal paste is actually worse for heat transfer than metal to metal contact, but because it fills in the gaps you get a larger surface area, making it useful.

 

It doesn't even deserve a response, but putting it everywhere would probably insulate more than anything..

This, thermal paste doesn't really conduct heat amazingly, it just helps make more contact between the IHS and the heatsink.

[brownninja97]

This is a good idea until you realize what thermal paste does and why you use it.

 

The thermal paste is there to effectively transfer heat from the die to the heatsink. If you think thermal paste has cooling properties of it's own, take your computer's heatsink off and slather on a bunch of paste and try running it.

 

You just fried your CPU didn't you? 

 

Science!

nonono, my theory is that you can transfer the heat from the heatsink to the air quicker this way.

[prolemur]

This would just insulate the heat

[WyzeGye]

@brownninja97

 

Look at which site you're on... I wonder if maybe the founder of this site has some sort of informational video about thermal paste.

 

It's definitely a long shot... you should check.

 

You don't seem to have any idea how thermal paste works, and considering the fact that you know about Linus, and the fact that he has all those great informative videos, ignorance like this is inexcusable.

[flibberdipper]

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[Puppet]

nonono, my theory is that you can transfer the heat from the heatsink to the air quicker this way.

 

I think you need to think about this on a microscopic level, air is gaseous so all the molecules are moving freely so having a smooth surface isn't going to have an effect really, in fact I think it might actually decrease surface area as the metal which has a hard structure will be sort of pitted whereas thermal paste which is almost liquid will be flatter, meaning the metal by itself will have more contact with the air.

 

Then to top it all off I'm pretty sure thermal paste doesn't dissipate heat as well as certain metals. 

 

A physicist could probably explain that a bit better, but hopefully you get the point.

[brownninja97]

@brownninja97

 

Look at which site you're on... I wonder if maybe the founder of this site has some sort of informational video about thermal paste.

 

It's definitely a long shot... you should check.

 

You don't seem to have any idea how thermal paste works, and considering the fact that you know about Linus, and the fact that he has all those great informative videos, ignorance like this is inexcusable.

hmm this whole times ive seemed to think that thermal paste is for aiding in heat transfer. Im a bit nutty after revising for so long, sorry if i offended you for not remembering every detail in the world about computers

[D4RK]

nonono, my theory is that you can transfer the heat from the heatsink to the air quicker this way.

u know why they say use as less as possible thermal paste when u apply it to ur cpu/gpu, because thermal past conduct heat slower than metal.

so according to ur idea if we cover the heatsink with thermal paste, here is how the thermal conductivity will work,

metal > to thermal paste > to air 

since thermal paste is slower, u just add more time for the heat to dissipate, now here is 1 more thing to help u understand why this wont work even if the thermal paste is better than metal,

metal > to " perfect " thermal paste > to air

now the perfect thermal paste is faster than the metal 100%, but if the metal takes lets say 1 sec to drop 1 degree , and the perfect paste takes 0.00001 sec to drop 1 degree, then ur system needs 1.00001 sec to drop 1 degree .

the perfect solution is to have least amount of material that the heat goes through and have these material as thermal conductive as possible.

[brownninja97]

u know why they say use as less as possible thermal paste when u apply it to ur cpu/gpu, because thermal past conduct heat slower than metal.

so according to ur idea if we cover the heatsink with thermal paste, here is how the thermal conductivity will work,

metal > to thermal paste > to air 

since thermal paste is slower, u just add more time for the heat to disabate, now here is 1 more thing to help u understand why this wont work even if the thermal paste is better than metal,

metal > to " perfect " thermal paste > to air

now the perfect thermal paste is faster than the metal 100%, but if the metal takes lets say 1 sec to drop 1 degree , and the perfect paste takes 0.00001 sec to drop 1 degree, then ur system needs 1.00001 sec to drop 1 degree .

the perfect solution is to have least amount of material that the heat goes through and have these material as thermal conductive as possible.you do 

You do have a point there, it safe to say after the verbal massacre on this thread that im wrong, whats to be learned from this is that most humans dont make threads about their stupid ideas, i should probably follow that style of thinking, or i can carry on making up crazy ideas and one day ill strike it rich and patent the **** out of it.

[WyzeGye]

hmm this whole times ive seemed to think that thermal paste is for aiding in heat transfer. Im a bit nutty after revising for so long, sorry if i offended you for not remembering every detail in the world about computers

 

 

Think of it this way... Forget that cold exists. There is literally no such thing as cold, ask your physics teacher. There is only the absence of heat. If you're covering something with a thick paste, where is that heat going to go? It's going to stay trapped in the metals because heat likes metal more than it likes paste. Sure it'll get rid of some of the heat through passive means, but the majority of the heat will be trapped. 

 

You're right that thermal paste aids in heat transfer, but only between two contacting points. And i'm not even going to touch the topic of Conductive or Capacitive effects on electronic hardware which is the main reason why this is a horrible idea.

[D4RK]

You do have a point there, it safe to say after the verbal massacre on this thread that im wrong, whats to be learned from this is that most humans dont make threads about their stupid ideas, i should probably follow that style of thinking, or i can carry on making up crazy ideas and one day ill strike it rich and patent the **** out of it.

well all of us are ignorant in some subject, keep ur ideas coming atleast u are learning.

[brownninja97]

well all of us are ignorant in some subject, keep ur ideas coming atleast u are learning.

well there is the special gpu bracket to prevent asus cards from sagging because asus cards sag, a lot more then cards from other manufactures. Alas that is a story for another day, ive taken enough of a beating today

[D4RK]

Think of it this way... Forget that cold exists. There is literally no such thing as cold, ask your physics teacher. There is only the absence of heat. If you're covering something with a thick paste, where is that heat going to go? It's going to stay trapped in the metals because heat likes metal more than it likes paste. Sure it'll get rid of some of the heat through passive means, but the majority of the heat will be trapped. 

 

You're right that thermal paste aids in heat transfer, but only between two contacting points. And i'm not even going to touch the topic of Conductive or Capacitive effects on electronic hardware which is the main reason why this is a horrible idea.

u are assuming that thermal paste is so bad in thermal conductivity, while it is good but not great

[techswede]

I've often thought about welding the IHS to whatever heatsink/waterblock i use to see if it brings any improvement.

It would surely screw the entire thing. But welding the two surfaces together completely should help with heat transfer as it is one complete piece.

I wonder if i could get my hands on just the shield part of the cpu and try it out. And a spare 3770k/3570k that i could de-lid. 

So i could test out the differences between using thermal paste vs a completely fused unit.

 

 

Coating everyting in TIM would probably insulate it as has been mentioned before in the thread.

[brownninja97]

I've often thought about welding the IHS to whatever heatsink/waterblock i use to see if it brings any improvement.

It would surely screw the entire thing. But welding the two surfaces together completely should help with heat transfer as it is one complete piece.

I wonder if i could get my hands on just the shield part of the cpu and try it out. And a spare 3770k/3570k that i could de-lid. 

So i could test out the differences between using thermal paste vs a completely fused unit.

 

 

Coating everyting in TIM would probably insulate it as has been mentioned before in the thread.

try it with one of the prescott cpus or an early fermi card, it should be a lot cheaper.