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Sadly 12600K is not available.  So what's the best for Premiere, AE and blender. Not planing to overclock either since my Cooler budget is under $100. 12600KF path is like $10 cheaper.

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9 minutes ago, iCypticx said:

What country are you in? Generally you'd want the 126KF. 

Singapore. But buying from Amazon US.

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2 minutes ago, sdw123 said:

Singapore. But buying from Amazon US.

Any reason to specifically buy from Amazon US? Newegg does free shipping to Singapore, and the 126K @ 300 USD. 

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18 minutes ago, sdw123 said:

Sadly 12600K is not available.  So what's the best for Premiere, AE and blender. Not planing to overclock either since my Cooler budget is under $100. 12600KF path is like $10 cheaper.

12900KF is the same CPU as the 12900K, just doesn't have an iGPU, meaning you'll need an actual GPU like a 3060

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7 minutes ago, iCypticx said:

Any reason to specifically buy from Amazon US? Newegg does free shipping to Singapore, and the 126K @ 300 USD. 

Thanks. Thought Amazon gives the best prices. 😬

 

7 minutes ago, yesyes said:

12900KF is the same CPU as the 12900K, just doesn't have an iGPU, meaning you'll need an actual GPU like a 3060

Yh. My real problem is 5800 vs 12600K.

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1 minute ago, sdw123 said:

Thanks. Thought Amazon gives the best prices. 😬

 

Yh. My real problem is 5800 vs 12600K.

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-12600KF-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-5800X/m1700734vs4085

 

12600KF is ~20% faster than the 5800x

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1 minute ago, yesyes said:

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-12600KF-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-5800X/m1700734vs4085

Let's not try to use UBM as a credible source lol.

5 minutes ago, sdw123 said:

Yh. My real problem is 5800 vs 12600K.

126K outperforms 5800X in Premiere, and a bit in Blender as well - GN Testing Toms hardware Testing

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Just now, iCypticx said:

Let's not try to use UBM as a credible source lol.

126K outperforms 5800X in Premiere, and a bit in Blender as well - GN Testing Toms hardware Testing

At that point it becomes a matter of pricing, Z690 boards for 126K are 190 USD MINIMUM. If I were you though, I'd go with the 126K option. 

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5 minutes ago, iCypticx said:

Let's not try to use UBM as a credible source lol.

126K outperforms 5800X in Premiere, and a bit in Blender as well - GN Testing Toms hardware Testing

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i9-12900k-alder-lake-12th-gen/6.html

 

still ends up smack between the 5800x and 5900x ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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1 minute ago, yesyes said:

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i9-12900k-alder-lake-12th-gen/6.html

 

still ends up smack between the 5800x and 5900x ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Yes, but the tech community discourages from using UBM as a source for Benches. They are heavily biased, in general stay away from it. 

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15 minutes ago, yesyes said:

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-12600KF-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-5800X/m1700734vs4085

 

12600KF is ~20% faster than the 5800x

Puget Systems is a much better resource for benchmarks for workstations than just about anyone else. 

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/12th-Gen-Intel-Core-CPU-Review-Roundup-2248/

19 minutes ago, sdw123 said:

Yh. My real problem is 5800 vs 12600K.

They're very similar. What's the price difference there between a 12600k, mid range z690 board like the MSI Pro-A and the 5800x with a decent board like the MPG b550 gaming?

I'm not actually trying to be as grumpy as it seems.

I will find your mentions of Ikea or Gnome and I will /s post. 

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Why is the 5800x so hot?

 

 

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4 minutes ago, IkeaGnome said:

They're very similar. What's the price difference there between a 12600k, mid range z690 board like the MSI Pro-A and the 5800x with a decent board like the MPG b550 gaming?

According to PCPP:
 https://sg.pcpartpicker.com/list/8YvzBc 126K + Cheapest Z690 (Z690 A Pro) 
https://sg.pcpartpicker.com/list/7c6V7X 5800X + B550 Gaming Plus 

Would go for 126K, as it outperforms 58X in Premiere and ends up being cheaper. 

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The 12600KF and 5800X are very similar in terms of performance for basically all applications. Frankly, you probably couldn't tell the difference in a blind test.

 

On paper, the 12600KF has an edge for your use case, but not by a significant margin. The two trade blows in rendering workloads and while the 12600KF does a bit better in some Adobe CC applications, the 5800X is barely behind.

 

If the total system costs are similar between the two, just go with whichever is available. You won't be disappointed with either.

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5 minutes ago, iCypticx said:

Would go for 126K, as it outperforms 58X in Premiere and ends up being cheaper.

Other way around. 5800x is $31 cheaper. I can't dig around on Newegg to see what else there is. GPU drop happening so their servers are locked up.

Comes down to if op wants Intel or AMD more basically, or wants to save s31.

I'm not actually trying to be as grumpy as it seems.

I will find your mentions of Ikea or Gnome and I will /s post. 

Project Hot Box

CPU 13900k, Motherboard Gigabyte Aorus Elite AX, RAM CORSAIR Vengeance 4x16gb 5200 MHZ, GPU Zotac RTX 4090 Trinity OC, Case Fractal Pop Air XL, Storage Sabrent Rocket Q4 2tb, CORSAIR Force Series MP510 1920GB NVMe, CORSAIR FORCE Series MP510 960GB NVMe, PSU CORSAIR HX1000i, Cooling Corsair XC8 CPU block, Bykski GPU block, 360mm and 280mm radiator, Displays Odyssey G9, LG 34UC98-W 34-Inch,Keyboard Mountain Everest Max, Mouse Mountain Makalu 67, Sound AT2035, Massdrop 6xx headphones, Go XLR 

Oppbevaring

CPU i9-9900k, Motherboard, ASUS Rog Maximus Code XI, RAM, 48GB Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB 3200 mhz (2x16)+(2x8) GPUs Asus ROG Strix 2070 8gb, PNY 1080, Nvidia 1080, Case Mining Frame, 2x Storage Samsung 860 Evo 500 GB, PSU Corsair RM1000x and RM850x, Cooling Asus Rog Ryuo 240 with Noctua NF-12 fans

 

Why is the 5800x so hot?

 

 

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8 minutes ago, YoungBlade said:

The 12600KF and 5800X are very similar in terms of performance for basically all applications. Frankly, you probably couldn't tell the difference in a blind test.

 

On paper, the 12600KF has an edge for your use case, but not by a significant margin. The two trade blows in rendering workloads and while the 12600KF does a bit better in some Adobe CC applications, the 5800X is barely behind.

 

If the total system costs are similar between the two, just go with whichever is available. You won't be disappointed with either.

 

5 minutes ago, IkeaGnome said:

Other way around. 5800x is $31 cheaper. I can't dig around on Newegg to see what else there is. GPU drop happening so their servers are locked up.

Comes down to if op wants Intel or AMD more basically, or wants to save s31.

+1 Read the list prices wrong, was in a hurry because of class. Personally I would go for 126K, even if its 31s more. Up to original poster though

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11 minutes ago, IkeaGnome said:

Other way around. 5800x is $31 cheaper. I can't dig around on Newegg to see what else there is. GPU drop happening so their servers are locked up.

Comes down to if op wants Intel or AMD more basically, or wants to save s31.

 

14 minutes ago, YoungBlade said:

The 12600KF and 5800X are very similar in terms of performance for basically all applications. Frankly, you probably couldn't tell the difference in a blind test.

 

On paper, the 12600KF has an edge for your use case, but not by a significant margin. The two trade blows in rendering workloads and while the 12600KF does a bit better in some Adobe CC applications, the 5800X is barely behind.

 

If the total system costs are similar between the two, just go with whichever is available. You won't be disappointed with either.

 

18 minutes ago, iCypticx said:

 

According to PCPP:
 https://sg.pcpartpicker.com/list/8YvzBc 126K + Cheapest Z690 (Z690 A Pro) 
https://sg.pcpartpicker.com/list/7c6V7X 5800X + B550 Gaming Plus 

Would go for 126K, as it outperforms 58X in Premiere and ends up being cheaper. 

What about the future proof / DDR5 / PCI 5? Chance of 13th gen comes with same socket or DDR5 will double the performance in future?

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What about the future proof / DDR5 / PCI 5? Chance of 13th gen comes with same socket or DDR5 will double the performance in future?

DDR5 won't work on a DDR4 motherboard. Alder Lake can work with DDR4 or 5, but the motherboards aren't cross compatible. 

DDR5 will get better in the future, but not on a DDR4 motherboard. AMD has Zen3D coming out sometime in the first half of next year with more cache, but it'll still be DDR4. 

I'm not actually trying to be as grumpy as it seems.

I will find your mentions of Ikea or Gnome and I will /s post. 

Project Hot Box

CPU 13900k, Motherboard Gigabyte Aorus Elite AX, RAM CORSAIR Vengeance 4x16gb 5200 MHZ, GPU Zotac RTX 4090 Trinity OC, Case Fractal Pop Air XL, Storage Sabrent Rocket Q4 2tb, CORSAIR Force Series MP510 1920GB NVMe, CORSAIR FORCE Series MP510 960GB NVMe, PSU CORSAIR HX1000i, Cooling Corsair XC8 CPU block, Bykski GPU block, 360mm and 280mm radiator, Displays Odyssey G9, LG 34UC98-W 34-Inch,Keyboard Mountain Everest Max, Mouse Mountain Makalu 67, Sound AT2035, Massdrop 6xx headphones, Go XLR 

Oppbevaring

CPU i9-9900k, Motherboard, ASUS Rog Maximus Code XI, RAM, 48GB Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB 3200 mhz (2x16)+(2x8) GPUs Asus ROG Strix 2070 8gb, PNY 1080, Nvidia 1080, Case Mining Frame, 2x Storage Samsung 860 Evo 500 GB, PSU Corsair RM1000x and RM850x, Cooling Asus Rog Ryuo 240 with Noctua NF-12 fans

 

Why is the 5800x so hot?

 

 

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1 minute ago, sdw123 said:

What about the future proof / DDR5 / PCI 5? Chance of 13th gen comes with same socket or DDR5 will double the performance in future?

If PCIe Gen 5 is something you need, then go for 126K and Z690. Raptor lake might be on LGA1700, no way to confirm. DDR5 hasn't matured yet to the point where we can recommend it for average consumers. Also DDR5 is not backwards compatible with DDR4 motherboards. So just go with 126K and Z690 A Pro. It'll last you a while. 

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1 minute ago, IkeaGnome said:

AMD has Zen3D coming out sometime in the first half of next year with more cache, but it'll still be DDR4. 

Excited to see how the 3D V-cache contributes to performance. 

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4 minutes ago, iCypticx said:

Raptor lake might be on LGA1700, no way to confirm.

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I'm not actually trying to be as grumpy as it seems.

I will find your mentions of Ikea or Gnome and I will /s post. 

Project Hot Box

CPU 13900k, Motherboard Gigabyte Aorus Elite AX, RAM CORSAIR Vengeance 4x16gb 5200 MHZ, GPU Zotac RTX 4090 Trinity OC, Case Fractal Pop Air XL, Storage Sabrent Rocket Q4 2tb, CORSAIR Force Series MP510 1920GB NVMe, CORSAIR FORCE Series MP510 960GB NVMe, PSU CORSAIR HX1000i, Cooling Corsair XC8 CPU block, Bykski GPU block, 360mm and 280mm radiator, Displays Odyssey G9, LG 34UC98-W 34-Inch,Keyboard Mountain Everest Max, Mouse Mountain Makalu 67, Sound AT2035, Massdrop 6xx headphones, Go XLR 

Oppbevaring

CPU i9-9900k, Motherboard, ASUS Rog Maximus Code XI, RAM, 48GB Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB 3200 mhz (2x16)+(2x8) GPUs Asus ROG Strix 2070 8gb, PNY 1080, Nvidia 1080, Case Mining Frame, 2x Storage Samsung 860 Evo 500 GB, PSU Corsair RM1000x and RM850x, Cooling Asus Rog Ryuo 240 with Noctua NF-12 fans

 

Why is the 5800x so hot?

 

 

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38 minutes ago, IkeaGnome said:

DDR5 won't work on a DDR4 motherboard. Alder Lake can work with DDR4 or 5, but the motherboards aren't cross compatible. 

DDR5 will get better in the future, but not on a DDR4 motherboard. AMD has Zen3D coming out sometime in the first half of next year with more cache, but it'll still be DDR4. 

so get a ddr5 motherboard...

38 minutes ago, iCypticx said:

If PCIe Gen 5 is something you need, then go for 126K and Z690. Raptor lake might be on LGA1700, no way to confirm. DDR5 hasn't matured yet to the point where we can recommend it for average consumers. Also DDR5 is not backwards compatible with DDR4 motherboards. So just go with 126K and Z690 A Pro. It'll last you a while. 

new m.2 reaches 15GBps

 

might be a good idea to have them "just cuz"

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Just now, yesyes said:

so get a ddr5 motherboard...

Where do you plan to get first gen DDR5 that gives no performance over a good DDR4 set?

 

I'm not actually trying to be as grumpy as it seems.

I will find your mentions of Ikea or Gnome and I will /s post. 

Project Hot Box

CPU 13900k, Motherboard Gigabyte Aorus Elite AX, RAM CORSAIR Vengeance 4x16gb 5200 MHZ, GPU Zotac RTX 4090 Trinity OC, Case Fractal Pop Air XL, Storage Sabrent Rocket Q4 2tb, CORSAIR Force Series MP510 1920GB NVMe, CORSAIR FORCE Series MP510 960GB NVMe, PSU CORSAIR HX1000i, Cooling Corsair XC8 CPU block, Bykski GPU block, 360mm and 280mm radiator, Displays Odyssey G9, LG 34UC98-W 34-Inch,Keyboard Mountain Everest Max, Mouse Mountain Makalu 67, Sound AT2035, Massdrop 6xx headphones, Go XLR 

Oppbevaring

CPU i9-9900k, Motherboard, ASUS Rog Maximus Code XI, RAM, 48GB Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB 3200 mhz (2x16)+(2x8) GPUs Asus ROG Strix 2070 8gb, PNY 1080, Nvidia 1080, Case Mining Frame, 2x Storage Samsung 860 Evo 500 GB, PSU Corsair RM1000x and RM850x, Cooling Asus Rog Ryuo 240 with Noctua NF-12 fans

 

Why is the 5800x so hot?

 

 

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4 minutes ago, yesyes said:

so get a ddr5 motherboard...

DDR5 is no where near a good decision for average consumers, at least not now. 

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