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1st gen ryzen questions

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I'm Thinking of building system based on ryzen 7 1700(x), but i have a question

 

 does 1st ryzen (esp the one that i choose) has quirks or problems that still exist/present to this day or there's nothing that i should be worried about it?

 

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Besides memory controlers not being able to handle a lot of kits at over 3200mhz or 4 sticks, no.

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1st gen Ryzen suffered from bad Memory controllers the most. Worst you would likely see is you can't get memory above 3000 mhz without some heavy tweaking to voltages 

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Running my 1600 with 2400MHz RAM, 4x4GB sticks.  I wasn't going to push the RAM for just a regular system, so if you keep things balanced you'll be fine.

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It just doesnt run fast, nothing game breaking

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I bought a R7 1700 about a month after release, and it was great to me for the two years I ran it. The worst part of the experience was the motherboard, but my issues eventually got ironed out with BIOS updates. I'd still recommend that you get a B450/X470 motherboard if you do get that CPU, that way you can upgrade to Ryzen 5000 down the line depending on the motherboard, plus those boards were build a lot better than the original X370/B350 boards and got a lot more BIOS support. 

 

Other than that, the memory controller wasn't the strongest thing in the world, but I got lucky with being able to run 3200MHz with XMP on a non-Ryzen optimized kit, so it's not necessarily as awful as everyone makes it out to be (though I wouldn't try to run anything above 3200MHz)

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High voltages to obtain a OC and the head room for a OC is limited. I reached 4ghz @ 1.42v. Not sure about the ram issue everything is talking about. Had 3 different 1700s on 3 diff mobos and hit 3200 no prob with every set I had. Also OC'd ram to 3466 on a b450 board. If you can find a 2700 for a similar price then snag that.

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It may not be fully supported by Windows 11 because of TPM and some virtualization or memory protection instructions that I think the 1xxx ryzens either don't have, or they're much slower than 2xxx and newer.

 

Potential gotchas: some motherboards will come these days with a BIOS that supports only 2xxx and upwards, so you'd have to use a 2xxx cpu to flash an older bios to get 1xxx support, IF the motherboard doesn't have bios flashback feature.

You should check the bios downloads page and the notes, to see the changes and see if 1xxx support is dropped at some point.

 

Others have already told you that the first gen is more finicky about memory frequencies and memory chips on the sticks, with 1 or 2 sticks you'll do 3200 mhz with some sticks, with others 3000 mhz or 2933 mhz. With more than 2 sticks may have to drop to 2933 or 2600 mhz.

I think the "best compatibility" memory chips were the Samsung ones, but I'm not sure and don't feel like researching now.  They improved support a bit through AGESA (bios updates) but still 2xxx and newer have improved memory controllers.

 

If you didn't buy a 1700 already, maybe have a look at 1600 AF version which is technically very close to a Ryzen 2600 , or the actual ryzen 2600.

 

 

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