Which Should I go for?

[Marcos1121231234]

Budget (including currency): 120000 argentine pesos (600 usd) (Just PC

Country: Argentina

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Minecraft CSGO GTA V Sandbox games, light sound and video editing, a bit of streaming

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): Should I get a prebuilt with a 500 watt psu an i3 10100f a 1650 8gb of ram and a 1tb hard drive, or I bouild a system with a ryzen 5 2600 1050ti 8gb of ram a 480 gb ssd  and a 550 watt psu

 

Thanks

 

[Bombastinator]

1 hour ago, Marcos1121231234 said:

Budget (including currency): 120000 argentine pesos (600 usd) (Just PC

Country: Argentina

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Minecraft CSGO GTA V Sandbox games, light sound and video editing, a bit of streaming

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): Should I get a prebuilt with a 500 watt psu an i3 10100f a 1650 8gb of ram and a 1tb hard drive, or I bouild a system with a ryzen 5 2600 1050ti 8gb of ram a 480 gb ssd  and a 550 watt psu

 

Thanks

 

Hmm. The issue seems to be applications that mix high thread speed but low core count with high core count but low thread speed. The games are high thread speed low thread count, the other stuff is high thread count but low thread speed.  The solution is high thread speed and high thread count, but that means more money than the budget.
This one is complicated because availability and prices change by area, so I’m going to try for broad strokes without specific parts because specificity has to take into account pricing.

 

Tempted to go high thread speed low core count but then pick older apps for the other stuff that can get by with fewer cores.  “Light” video editing can mean short, lower resolution, or both. Maybe 16gb memory if it if it can be done just to raise the resolution minimum for “other stuff” while leaving ample room for gaming.  Not wildly fast memory either to lower cost.  Slower ram means a greater need for a discrete gpu rather than a IGP (iGPU/apu) Gaming can be done on 8gb but it’s kind of truncated.  A totally full gasping for air situation. Higher speed 4/8 or 6/6 cpu if it’s possible.  Not quite enough for newer games to lower costs, but enough threads to do some parallel things and keep ability to do “light”stuff. 7th gen used gaming machine off eBay maybe. 1080p monitor and video card. Older video card with as much memory as can be gotten.  Gonna be the major expense. A 480/580 would be awesome if possible. It’s at the higher end of 1080p cards. Could go the other way too.. some antique xenon with lots of threads but low core count.  The problem is it would be worse for the games mentioned.  None of it solves the streaming issue. Three ways I know of to do streaming.  Use nvenc (which means Nvidia gpu) on cpu (which means more cores) or external (which means more money because another component) someone mentioned here that older 10xx series Nvidia cards had nvenc but it was removed from all but higher end 2xxx cards. Possible I guess. Haven’t been able to confirm it.  If it’s true one might be able to use something like a 1050ti and do nvenc.  I don’t know though.  I don’t have enough info.

Edited August 10, 2021 by Bombastinator

[PC HEROES]

13 hours ago, Marcos1121231234 said:

Budget (including currency): 120000 argentine pesos (600 usd) (Just PC

Country: Argentina

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Minecraft CSGO GTA V Sandbox games, light sound and video editing, a bit of streaming

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): Should I get a prebuilt with a 500 watt psu an i3 10100f a 1650 8gb of ram and a 1tb hard drive, or I bouild a system with a ryzen 5 2600 1050ti 8gb of ram a 480 gb ssd  and a 550 watt psu

 

Thanks

 

 

I think this would be the perfect starter build for you... It comes with a Ryzen CPU w/ Integrated Graphics, it is brand new and just came out last week. You can always add a mid range video card later on when you get some more money but the Ryzen APU is more than enough to get you going for 1080p gaming. Here is the Link below.

 

Ryzen Build

 

 

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600G 3.9 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($259.00 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock B550M Steel Legend Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($114.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Team T-Create Classic 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL22 Memory  ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Team MP33 512 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($49.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Cougar MX330 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($49.99 @ B&H)
Power Supply: EVGA BQ 600 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply  ($39.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $578.95

[Marcos1121231234]

1 hour ago, PC MD Doctors said:

 

I think this would be the perfect starter build for you... It comes with a Ryzen CPU w/ Integrated Graphics, it is brand new and just came out last week. You can always add a mid range video card later on when you get some more money but the Ryzen APU is more than enough to get you going for 1080p gaming. Here is the Link below.

 

Ryzen Build

 

 

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600G 3.9 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($259.00 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock B550M Steel Legend Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($114.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Team T-Create Classic 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL22 Memory  ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Team MP33 512 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($49.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Cougar MX330 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($49.99 @ B&H)
Power Supply: EVGA BQ 600 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply  ($39.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $578.95

thanks but, I was looking for something with a dedicated gpu, like 1050ti or a 960 in there since it fits in my budget

[Bombastinator]

1 hour ago, PC MD Doctors said:

 

I think this would be the perfect starter build for you... It comes with a Ryzen CPU w/ Integrated Graphics, it is brand new and just came out last week. You can always add a mid range video card later on when you get some more money but the Ryzen APU is more than enough to get you going for 1080p gaming. Here is the Link below.

 

Ryzen Build

 

 

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600G 3.9 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($259.00 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock B550M Steel Legend Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($114.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Team T-Create Classic 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL22 Memory  ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Team MP33 512 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($49.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Cougar MX330 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($49.99 @ B&H)
Power Supply: EVGA BQ 600 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply  ($39.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $578.95

Need a video card to even work though because the 5600 has no video.  If a video card is already in hand it’s got points though.

[PC HEROES]

10 hours ago, Bombastinator said:

Need a video card to even work though because the 5600 has no video.  If a video card is already in hand it’s got points though.

 

This CPU does have a Graphics Card Built into it. The "G" in 5600G stands for Graphics. It will allow you to play in 1080p for games and video streaming. An APU or iGP is a regular CPU with a graphics card inside the chip.

 

I made this part list with the idea that the APU graphics will most defiantly hold you over till GPU prices come back down or return to normal.

[Bombastinator]

21 minutes ago, PC MD Doctors said:

 

This CPU does have a Graphics Card Built into it. The "G" in 5600G stands for Graphics. It will allow you to play in 1080p for games and video streaming. An APU or iGP is a regular CPU with a graphics card inside the chip.

 

I made this part list with the idea that the APU graphics will most defiantly hold you over till GPU prices come back down or return to normal.

Ah a g cpu is different.  I thought it was listed as an x or blank.  If it’s a g cpu it’s actually an “apu” and will have likely some number of vega cores. The fastest apus are faster than older intel iGPUs but are often pretty close to Xe iGPUs.  Equivelant to a 1030 on a good day, more or less.  The advantage of the AMD stuff over the intel stuff is intel only puts their more powerful GPUs on their more powerful CPUs which makes for a very weird balance.  There’s a new AMD chip out or coming out with 4 cores and even more graphics capability.  Fundamentally more balanced imho though still perhaps a touch weak on the gpu side.   I understand they’re being scalped.  The thing will run off the port on the motherboard with one of those.  The problem then is memory speed.  The system memory is the gpu memory so it needs to be as fast as can be gotten.  Finding another $10 for faster memory seems worth it at that point.  Reasonably fast ddr3200 can be had but cl22 isn’t it.  More like cl14