Rtx 2060 super with low framerate

[Cynocles]

So i recently bought a RTX 2060 Super (Founders Edition), Upgraded from a GTX 1060, and for some reason in GTA 5 I'm stuck at like 50/60 ish FPS (Vsync Off)

No setting i change seems to change this either (Here's my build)

Ryzen 2600x
Corsair Vengeance 16gb 3200mhz
RTX 2060s Founders Edition.
144hz 1080p Monitor

and iv no idea what to do now either...
On my 1060 the game was running at 60/70fps, I don't get how a upgrade is worse, Iv used DDU to uninstall the drivers and installed the New Nvidia ones, So I need suggestions

GTA 5 Seems to be the ONLY game I'm not seeing any improvement in instead I'm seeing the opposite.
If it helps I'm playing the Epic games version of GTA 5 (If that makes any difference)

Video Of my settings: https://thecynicalkitty.com/s/20213071383.mp4
GPU Is running at 1920Mhz but bounces about as seen here: https://thecynicalkitty.com/s/20213041631.mp4
GPU is barely being used its super weird

please help

[Mando772004]

12 minutes ago, TheCynicalKitty said:

So i recently bought a RTX 2060 Super (Founders Edition), Upgraded from a GTX 1060, and for some reason in GTA 5 I'm stuck at like 50/60 ish FPS (Vsync Off)

No setting i change seems to change this either (Here's my build)

Ryzen 2600x
Corsair Vengeance 16gb 3200mhz
RTX 2060s Founders Edition.
144hz 1080p Monitor

and iv no idea what to do now either...
On my 1060 the game was running at 60/70fps, I don't get how a upgrade is worse, Iv used DDU to uninstall the drivers and installed the New Nvidia ones, So I need suggestions

GTA 5 Seems to be the ONLY game I'm not seeing any improvement in instead I'm seeing the opposite.
If it helps I'm playing the Epic games version of GTA 5 (If that makes any difference)

Video Of my settings: https://thecynicalkitty.com/s/20213071383.mp4
GPU Is running at 1920Mhz but bounces about as seen here: https://thecynicalkitty.com/s/20213041631.mp4
GPU is barely being used its super weird

please help

are you running 2 sticks of 8gb or just 1 stick? also gta is not very well optimized i was just talking to someone who has a 2080s and gets the same problem you are getting. it seems like its a common problem with Mid to High end RTX cards

[Cynocles]

Just now, InfernalClaw said:

are you running 2 sticks of 8gb or just 1 stick? also gta is not very well optimized i was just talking to someone who has a 2080s and gets the same problem you are getting. it seems like its a common problem with Mid to High end RTX cards

2 Sticks

[Mando772004]

1 minute ago, TheCynicalKitty said:

2 Sticks

im guessing since this problem also happens to someone who has a 2080 SUPER it could just be the games optimization however you could make sure your memory is running at 3200mhz by enabling DOCP/XMP. also go to the nvidia control pane and go to manage 3d settings then scroll down till you find power management mode and set it to prefer maximum performance. and go to your windows control panel then power options and set your power plan to ultimate performance or high performance or balanced but never set it to power saving

[FrodoX570]

12 hours ago, TheCynicalKitty said:

So i recently bought a RTX 2060 Super (Founders Edition), Upgraded from a GTX 1060, and for some reason in GTA 5 I'm stuck at like 50/60 ish FPS (Vsync Off)

No setting i change seems to change this either (Here's my build)

Ryzen 2600x
Corsair Vengeance 16gb 3200mhz
RTX 2060s Founders Edition.
144hz 1080p Monitor

and iv no idea what to do now either...
On my 1060 the game was running at 60/70fps, I don't get how a upgrade is worse, Iv used DDU to uninstall the drivers and installed the New Nvidia ones, So I need suggestions

GTA 5 Seems to be the ONLY game I'm not seeing any improvement in instead I'm seeing the opposite.
If it helps I'm playing the Epic games version of GTA 5 (If that makes any difference)

Video Of my settings: https://thecynicalkitty.com/s/20213071383.mp4
GPU Is running at 1920Mhz but bounces about as seen here: https://thecynicalkitty.com/s/20213041631.mp4
GPU is barely being used its super weird

please help

2600x is good but bottlenecks the RTX 2060 non Super, I own the non super and moved to a 5600x and gained as significant gain in CPU limited titles, but your framerate is still too low even for a 2600x.

[SavageNeo]

3 minutes ago, FrodoX570 said:

2600x is good but bottlenecks the RTX 2060 non Super,

no it does not.

[FrodoX570]

Just now, SavageNeo said:

no it does not.

Uhmmm yeah it definitely does at 1080p. 2600x is barely haswell IPC and lags behind in CPU limited titles.

[FrodoX570]

GPU usage... notice CPU limited games.

 

 

[SavageNeo]

1 hour ago, FrodoX570 said:

Uhmmm yeah it definitely does at 1080p. 2600x is barely haswell IPC and lags behind in CPU limited titles.

ryzen 5 1600x was already better ipc than i5 8400 but i lagged the speed. also the 2600x lacks the speed but it is comrable to i5 9400f.

 

Edit: 

 

ryzen 5 2600 non x is 7% better than i5 8400 in average.

 

also looking bechmark online i see that the i5 9400f is like only 5-10% better than the i5 8400, so ryzen 5 2600 seems to be at i5 9400f performance or atleast very near it

[SavageNeo]

1 hour ago, FrodoX570 said:

GPU usage... notice CPU limited games.

 

 

also notice, not single core is hitting 100% so the gpu is the bottleneck here. 

[Mark Kaine]

26 minutes ago, SavageNeo said:

also notice, not single core is hitting 100% so the gpu is the bottleneck here. 

do they have gta? op only seems to have issues with gta. you know, one of the worst ports ever made™

 

14 hours ago, TheCynicalKitty said:

GPU is barely being used its super weird

if your cpu bound its not weird. this is also the reason you never want to be cpu bound. gpu you can just lower settings. cpu you need to take money in hand usually, or oc, if you have intel. 

[SavageNeo]

5 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

one of the worst ports ever made™

true

 

but gta runs fine with my test pc with i5 6400 and 1070. 1070 is somewhat near 2060S performance. so its not a cpu problem if 4c/4t old crap cpu can run it at 1080p

[Jeppes]

Force full performance for gta V from nvidia settings.

[FrodoX570]

2 hours ago, SavageNeo said:

also notice, not single core is hitting 100% so the gpu is the bottleneck here. 

This is not how CPU bottlenecks work, modern titles stretch across multiple cores and don't need to be loaded to 100% to see, it, the GPU is not fully used in some games = CPU bottleneck.

 

Windows won't show a single core maxed out, it will spread a single core load across multiple.

 

A game is limited to 2 cores by design, it won't use 2 cores on your Ryzen CPU, it will just run on the CPU across multiple, but still bottleneck due to the limitations of two threads. IPC matters a lot or we would not be seeing the Ryzen 5000 series with such a massive uplift in IPC over the 2000 series.

 

Your 1070 is 7% slower than a non Super RTX 2060.

[FrodoX570]

2 hours ago, SavageNeo said:

ryzen 5 1600x was already better ipc than i5 8400 but i lagged the speed. also the 2600x lacks the speed but it is comrable to i5 9400f.

 

Edit: 

 

ryzen 5 2600 non x is 7% better than i5 8400 in average.

 

also looking bechmark online i see that the i5 9400f is like only 5-10% better than the i5 8400, so ryzen 5 2600 seems to be at i5 9400f performance or atleast very near it

In games that use multithread performance yes, GTA V needs IPC though so.. bummer there.

The 1080Ti is also not an RTX card where we have much higher driver overhead, also observed by the same youtuber.

 

 

 

[SavageNeo]

9 hours ago, FrodoX570 said:

, the GPU is not fully used in some games = CPU bottleneck.

so my 3700x bottleneck my 5700XT in minecraft because the 5700XT nor the 3700x is at 100%.

 

9 hours ago, FrodoX570 said:

modern titles stretch across multiple cores and don't need to be loaded to 100% to see, it

true but they need to be binned at 100%. 

 

9 hours ago, FrodoX570 said:

A game is limited to 2 cores by design, it won't use 2 cores on your Ryzen CPU, it will just run on the CPU across multiple, but still bottleneck due to the limitations of two threads.

link. because this makes almost every cpu on intel and on AMD look bad.

 

9 hours ago, FrodoX570 said:

IPC matters a lot or we would not be seeing the Ryzen 5000 series with such a massive uplift in IPC over the 2000 series.

yes well ryzen 3000 had like 15% uplift in ipc over 2000 series. keep in mind that ryzen 1000 had over 50% ipc uplift from their FX, and their ipc was near first gen intel. 

 

so ryzen 5 2600 has around 60% better ipc than first gen intel. and if you look at becnhmark you notice that for example i5 9400f does not have a 60% ipc uplift from the first gen i5s. Intel had under 5% ipc uplift every generation. so that make ryzen 5 2600 better than 9th gen intel in IPC. so with your logic 9th gen intel ipc is bad, if ryzen 5 2600 has bad ipc.

 

also 10th gen and 11th gen intel did not have a good ipc bump so they have to be bad too right?

[FrodoX570]

6 minutes ago, SavageNeo said:

so my 3700x bottleneck my 5700XT in minecraft because the 5700XT nor the 3700x is at 100%.

 

true but they need to be binned at 100%. 

 

link. because this makes almost every cpu on intel and on AMD look bad.

 

yes well ryzen 3000 had like 15% uplift in ipc over 2000 series. keep in mind that ryzen 1000 had over 50% ipc uplift from their FX, and their ipc was near first gen intel. 

 

so ryzen 5 2600 has around 60% better ipc than first gen intel. and if you look at becnhmark you notice that for example i5 9400f does not have a 60% ipc uplift from the first gen i5s. Intel had under 5% ipc uplift every generation. so that make ryzen 5 2600 better than 9th gen intel in IPC. so with your logic 9th gen intel ipc is bad, if ryzen 5 2600 has bad ipc.

 

also 10th gen and 11th gen intel did not have a good ipc bump so they have to be bad too right?

 

 

A CPU can be bottlenecked without being at 100%. This may be due to one or more things:

• The software doesn't issue enough threads to saturate the processor.
• The processor can complete some tasks quicker than others, but they're reliant in a way that someone is gong to hang up further processing
• The software relies too much on synchronization mechanisms or the synchronization methods aren't optimized to avoid busy-waiting.

https://www.itechtics.com/processor-generations/

 

 

That link shows you the gains on Intel processors, but the bottleneck is more severe with an RTX card as I previous posted.

[SavageNeo]

Just now, FrodoX570 said:

A CPU can be bottlenecked without being at 100%. This may be due to one or more things:

• The software doesn't issue enough threads to saturate the processor.
• The processor can complete some tasks quicker than others, but they're reliant in a way that someone is gong to hang up further processing
• The software relies too much on synchronization mechanisms or the synchronization methods aren't optimized to avoid busy-waiting.

Well yes of course (read the thread before you, you can be single core limited (which is not a case here) or multicore limited (which is not the case here)). but that does not mean that 

OP has a bottleneck

Ryzen 5 2600 has a bad ipc

 

Or the factthat Ryzen 5 2600x does not bottleneck rtx 2060. The video you linked way before shows that in fact the rtx 2060 is the bottleneck. also the first game has to be software bottlenecked then as you said, because neither of the cpu, ram or the gpu were at 100%. mayby he installed the game on slow HDD. that can be too

 

[FrodoX570]

1 minute ago, SavageNeo said:

Well yes of course (read the thread before you, you can be single core limited (which is not a case here) or multicore limited (which is not the case here)). but that does not mean that 

OP has a bottleneck

Ryzen 5 2600 has a bad ipc

 

Or the factthat Ryzen 5 2600x does not bottleneck rtx 2060. The video you linked way before shows that in fact the rtx 2060 is the bottleneck. also the first game has to be software bottlenecked then as you said, because neither of the cpu, ram or the gpu were at 100%. mayby he installed the game on slow HDD. that can be too

 

GPU is not maxed out on usage = CPU bottleneck unless you purposely capped FPS.

 

End of story.

[SavageNeo]

4 minutes ago, FrodoX570 said:

GPU is not maxed out on usage = CPU bottleneck unless you purposely capped FPS.

 

you just said it can be a software problem too? Why it is so hard for you to understand computers. You just maid bold claims about bad IPC of the 2000 series. if you would have googled a bit you would have found out it was not true. then you have to find old threads, because you have to since you do not actually know anything really. but guess what, neither the videos or the thread proved anything. actually they just proved you were wrong.

also ram and slow HDD can be a factor.

 

 

 

[FrodoX570]

4 minutes ago, SavageNeo said:

you just said it can be a software problem too? Why it is so hard for you to understand computers. You just maid bold claims about bad IPC of the 2000 series. if you would have googled a bit you would have found out it was not true. then you have to find old threads, because you have to since you do not actually know anything really. but guess what, neither the videos or they thread proved anything. actually they just proved you were wrong.

also ram and slow HDD can be a factor.

 

 

 

I own the 2600x and 5600x, My own experiences are being told to be a lie by you, yet the OP is suffering problems with a similar card which are both RTX with massive driver overhead thanks to Nvidia and all you are about is you being correct.

 

GTA V can hit upwards of 200 FPS on the right hardware, easily hit 120FPS on a 2060, it's never going to happen on a 2600x though, hence it is bottlenecked, I did say though the OP's FPS seems even a bit too low for a 2600x, should be around 65-80FPS this still is with a CPU bottleneck at 1080P.

 

GTX cards are not RTX, the video from HWUnbox mentions the issues with Nvidias driver overhead. CPU BOTTLENECK.

 

Are we clear now?

 

And AMD made a big improvement over Bulldozer which had worse IPC than it's Phenom II range or the same IPC.

Hardly a win there when the 2000 series are a tiny improvement over first gen Ryzen. The true IPC gains came from 3000 to 5000, 5000 series having the biggest jump.

[FrodoX570]

On 7/30/2021 at 3:40 AM, TheCynicalKitty said:

So i recently bought a RTX 2060 Super (Founders Edition), Upgraded from a GTX 1060, and for some reason in GTA 5 I'm stuck at like 50/60 ish FPS (Vsync Off)

No setting i change seems to change this either (Here's my build)

Ryzen 2600x
Corsair Vengeance 16gb 3200mhz
RTX 2060s Founders Edition.
144hz 1080p Monitor

and iv no idea what to do now either...
On my 1060 the game was running at 60/70fps, I don't get how a upgrade is worse, Iv used DDU to uninstall the drivers and installed the New Nvidia ones, So I need suggestions

GTA 5 Seems to be the ONLY game I'm not seeing any improvement in instead I'm seeing the opposite.
If it helps I'm playing the Epic games version of GTA 5 (If that makes any difference)

Video Of my settings: https://thecynicalkitty.com/s/20213071383.mp4
GPU Is running at 1920Mhz but bounces about as seen here: https://thecynicalkitty.com/s/20213041631.mp4
GPU is barely being used its super weird

please help

It may be helpful if you follow what this guy did and revert to older drivers.

 

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/forums/game-ready-drivers/13/461466/driver-overhead/?topicPage=3

[Mark Kaine]

10 hours ago, FrodoX570 said:

GPU is not maxed out on usage = CPU bottleneck unless you purposely capped FPS.

 

End of story.

so my CPU bottlenecks at ~75%?

Can you elaborate? 

 

 

Because my GPU sure aint maxed out.

 

And yes i just downloaded TR Legend because  i suspected it to not use a lot of cores (my other games with poor multi thread usage are all capped at 60fps by the engine more or less) 

[FrodoX570]

9 hours ago, Mark Kaine said:

so my CPU bottlenecks at ~75%?

Can you elaborate? 

 

 

Because my GPU sure aint maxed out.

 

And yes i just downloaded TR Legend because  i suspected it to not use a lot of cores (my other games with poor multi thread usage are all capped at 60fps by the engine more or less) 

Yes this perfectly shows single threaded games using more than 1 core but it is still a single core or two being spread across cores, TR Legend if I am not mistaken is a single core game.. So you see 1 thread spread across 2 on Windows 10 and on multicore capable processors instead of a single maxed out core. By definition this is still a CPU bottleneck, not exactly an issue when you are hitting near 600 FPS, but still limited to the threads the game can address and the IPC of the CPU.

 

 

 

• CPU: Pentium 3 or Athlon XP equivalent
• CPU SPEED: 1 GHz
• RAM: 256 MB
• OS: Windows 2000/XP only
• VIDEO CARD: 100% DirectX 9.0c - compatible 64 MB 3D Accelerated Card with TnL (GeForce 3Ti / Radeon 9 series)
• 3D: Yes
• HARDWARE T&L: Yes
• PIXEL SHADER: 1.1
• SOUND CARD: Yes
• FREE DISK SPACE: 9.9 GB
• DVD-ROM: Quad-speed (4x) DVD-ROM drive
• DEDICATED VIDEO RAM: 64 MB

Lara Croft Tomb Raider: Legend Recommended Requirements

 

• CPU: Pentium 4/Athlon XP or better
• CPU SPEED: 2 GHz
• RAM: 512 MB
• OS: Windows XP only
• VIDEO CARD: 100% DirectX 9.0c - compatible 256MB 3D Accelerated Card (Nvidia GeForce 5900 / Ati 9800XT)
• 3D: Yes
• HARDWARE T&L: Yes
• PIXEL SHADER: 2.0
• VERTEX SHADER: 2.0
• SOUND CARD: Yes
• FREE DISK SPACE: 9.9 GB
• DVD-ROM: Eight-speed (8x) DVD-ROM drive or faster
• DEDICATED VIDEO RAM: 256 MB

[Mark Kaine]

3 hours ago, FrodoX570 said:

TR Legend if I am not mistaken is a single core game..

Yep, looks like it, i have a few (funny its actually one of my main criterias not to buy single core / threaded games, but ofc ill make some exception like in this case when its a really old game for example)

 

But i always thought its the other way around, it uses 1 core, but 2 threads (as it looks the cpu in its default state cant just use 1 "thread" it splits it into 2…) not sure thats how i interpret this at least, but it also probably doesnt matter, what matters is it uses 1 core… ?

3 hours ago, FrodoX570 said:

Yes this perfectly shows single threaded games using more than 1 core

i mean, maybe we mean the same thing, but… I dont understand how it can be maxed out at ~75% …?  There should still be some headroom, right?

I mean obviously the fps get limited by "something" but Id definitely expect it to go close to 100%, which is my experience with multi threaded games, if one core / thread (just 1) goes to 100% thats when the frames drop, but if it goes to 99% with a bit of luck the frames will stabilize… (of course that rarely happens) but my point or question is, why does it stop at ~75% (it really doesnt go much higher at all) in TR legend…? It doesn't seem to make sense.