Multiple Routers

[Elreido]

Hi I'm 16 and have recently started earning my own money and my internet is subpar mostly due to the fact I'm not allowed to go hardwired I have saved and have recently decided to buy a second router of my own to connect to the same network hopefully I've seen concepts that have connected one router to another but before I go through with my purchase I would like to find out if I could directly connect to the network without using the other first router as a middle man. I made something quickly in ms paint to try and describe what I'm looking for I don't know much about networking so I'm hoping if the idea is insanely dumb then that's my bad. Thank you for your time -Elreido

[Electronics Wizardy]

What is the network in the diagram? Is that the isps connection? You need to pay for anouther connection from the isp to get anouther hookup.

 

Do you get your internet from coax, and have a port near your PC? If so, you can use MOCA to have ethernet over coax lines.

[kirashi]

25 minutes ago, Elreido said:

Hi I'm 16 and have recently started earning my own money and my internet is subpar mostly due to the fact I'm not allowed to go hardwired I have saved and have recently decided to buy a second router of my own to connect to the same network hopefully I've seen concepts that have connected one router to another but before I go through with my purchase I would like to find out if I could directly connect to the network without using the other first router as a middle man. I made something quickly in ms paint to try and describe what I'm looking for I don't know much about networking so I'm hoping if the idea is insanely dumb then that's my bad. Thank you for your time -Elreido

What you're looking for is usually only possible on residential connections if the modem and your ISP support assigning multiple public IPs to multiple ethernet ports. As @Electronics Wizardynoted, you'd need to share the exact make/model of modem being used, and check to see if your ISP can provide multiple public IP addresses.

[BecauseRussia]

So, what you are looking for will be nearly impossible to find.

 

I'm guessing "Network" here refers to the ISP. I have never seen an ISP modem that has multiple connections to allow for separate routers especially at the consumer level. By internet here I assume you are referring to your WiFi connection and not the actual speed you pay fro from your ISP.

 

If you cannot replace the ISP supplied the router, you can do several things to improve the WiFi speed at your house.

 

First I would go to every room in your house and run a WiFi analyzer. You can find one for free on android called just that. Use that app to search the channels that are in use around every room in your house. You will want to write that down and then move which channel your WiFi is on to the least used channel. This will cut down on interference and improve speeds. For the 5GHz spectrum go with whatever channel is least used. For the 2.4Ghz you want to make sure that your channel is set to either 1, 6 or 11. All the other channels share bandwidth and therefore are slower than 1,6 or 11.

 

The other thing you can do is to use that router you bought or will buy as purely an AP(Access Point) This is what you phone and laptop connect to wireless. ISP's are known to use the cheap routers that have weak antennas and therefore weak WiFi signals. By using your new router as an AP it will improve the coverage and therefore speed of your wireless. If go with this option you will want to disable the wireless broadcast from your ISP router.

[Falcon1986]

1 hour ago, Elreido said:

I made something quickly in ms paint to try and describe what I'm looking for I don't know much about networking so I'm hoping if the idea is insanely dumb then that's my bad. Thank you for your time

What are you trying to achieve here?

 

I have a feeling you are misinterpreting what a "router" is used for.

[Donut417]

1 hour ago, Elreido said:

Hi I'm 16 and have recently started earning my own money and my internet is subpar mostly due to the fact I'm not allowed to go hardwired I have saved and have recently decided to buy a second router of my own to connect to the same network hopefully I've seen concepts that have connected one router to another but before I go through with my purchase I would like to find out if I could directly connect to the network without using the other first router as a middle man. I made something quickly in ms paint to try and describe what I'm looking for I don't know much about networking so I'm hoping if the idea is insanely dumb then that's my bad. Thank you for your time -Elreido

How is your internet delivered (DSL, Coax, Fiber, 4G/5G, WISP, or Satellite)? Does you ISP supply a standard modem, or do they provide a gateway (Modem/Router)? How do you plan on connecting router 2 to your ISP? Does your ISP provide multiple IP addresses? 

[Elreido]

30 minutes ago, Falcon1986 said:

What are you trying to achieve here?

 

I have a feeling you are misinterpreting what a "router" is used for.

I could be wrong but what I think a router is is pretty much a beacon for the actual network, I'm pretty much trying to get a second router in another spot in my house without connecting it to the first router

[Donut417]

Just now, Elreido said:

I could be wrong but what I think a router is is pretty much a beacon for the actual network, I'm pretty much trying to get a second router in another spot in my house without connecting it to the first router

The router only gets internet signal because its connected to a modem by a Ethernet cabling or the modem and router are built in to one box. Any way you slice it the second router will need to connect to something to get internet. Its not given internet via magic. In some cases you can use a router as a repeater which is generally a crapy choice or in the case of ASUS routers they can be used to build a DYI mesh system. 

[Elreido]

1 minute ago, Donut417 said:

The router only gets internet signal because its connected to a modem by a Ethernet cabling or the modem and router are built in to one box. Any way you slice it the second router will need to connect to something to get internet. Its not given internet via magic. In some cases you can use a router as a repeater which is generally a crapy choice or in the case of ASUS routers they can be used to build a DYI mesh system. 

All right thanks I'm able to connect it to the modem is what I'm now assuming it's called but not to the original router I wanted to know if I could connect 2 routers directly to it though as my google searches haven't given me any results aside from the repeater option

[Donut417]

4 minutes ago, Elreido said:

All right thanks I'm able to connect it to the modem is what I'm now assuming it's called but not to the original router I wanted to know if I could connect 2 routers directly to it though as my google searches haven't given me any results aside from the repeater option

If you have a standard modem then no. Your ISP likely gives you one IP address. So the device that is connected to the modem will be assigned that address. A router is used because it allows you to share that one IP address with multiple devices, thats where NAT comes in. If you have a internet gateway (Modem and router in one box) then you can connect the second router with the side effect of double NAT. Which will make it more difficult to port forward for games and might cause issues with some software communication to the internet, mostly games and game consoles. 

 

Will mention some ISPs might sell you a second IP address or a block of address for a price. 

[kirashi]

4 minutes ago, Elreido said:

All right thanks I'm able to connect it to the modem is what I'm now assuming it's called but not to the original router I wanted to know if I could connect 2 routers directly to it though as my google searches haven't given me any results aside from the repeater option

If the modem has multiple ethernet ports and your ISP supports providing multiple public IP addresses to the modem, yes, you can technically connect a second router to the modem to act as a completely separate local network. Some ISPs charge extra per month for a second IP address though, so you'd need to check with your ISP.

[Elreido]

Thanks for the answers they all helped and now I understand a lot more of what I was meant to be looking for helped a lot

[Alex Atkin UK]

7 hours ago, Elreido said:

Hi I'm 16 and have recently started earning my own money and my internet is subpar mostly due to the fact I'm not allowed to go hardwired

What it seems you want to do is add a second WiFi network on a completely different channel, so you aren't competing with everyone else.  Trouble is, unless you are able to PARTLY go hard wired so you can put the device (called a WiFi Access Point) physically closer to you, its unlikely to improve much if anything, as generally its the distance and objects physically blocking the signal that makes it perform bad.

Powerline adapters might help, though unfortunately the only way to know is to try them as how well they perform depends so much on your physical electrical wiring.  They also can cause issues if your Internet is via DSL (phone line).