3900x or 5800x

[Glaith]

So I have saved my pennies for an upgrade and I need some advice.

 

My options are because of stock reasons a 3900x , 3900xt or a 5800x

No 5900x in-stock.

 

I will be upgrading from a 7700k.

Also has 16 gig gskill ram 3200mhz

2080TI trio x MSI

 

What I need from my system is gaming at 1440p 145hz

And streaming at 936p 60fps.

 

My goal is to remove the stream PC which is a 6700k system.

 

I am leaning towards getting the 5800x and maybe using my 7700k as the encoder on streaming PC.

As the performance on a 5800x is far better then the 3900x for gaming.

I just want to hear other peoples thoughts.

[dean_5234]

13 minutes ago, Glaith said:

So I have saved my pennies for an upgrade and I need some advice.

 

My options are because of stock reasons a 3900x , 3900xt or a 5800x

No 5900x in-stock.

 

I will be upgrading from a 7700k.

Also has 16 gig gskill ram 3200mhz

2080TI trio x MSI

 

What I need from my system is gaming at 1440p 145hz

And streaming at 936p 60fps.

 

My goal is to remove the stream PC which is a 6700k system.

 

I am leaning towards getting the 5800x and maybe using my 7700k as the encoder on streaming PC.

As the performance on a 5800x is far better then the 3900x for gaming.

I just want to hear other peoples thoughts.

For gaming the 5800X is much better

[WereCat]

For multi-core the 3900x is quite a bit better but for pure FPS in the games the 5800X beats the Zen2 by quite a bit.

 

For streaming, I use 3900x and I can do 1080p60 medium to slow in almost every game and still retaining well above 60FPS in-game.

If you have a 2000 series or 3000 series NVIDIA GPU, I would recommend to stick to streaming with NVENC and get the 5800X.

[Glaith]

3 minutes ago, WereCat said:

For multi-core the 3900x is quite a bit better but for pure FPS in the games the 5800X beats the Zen2 by quite a bit.

 

For streaming, I use 3900x and I can do 1080p60 medium to slow in almost every game and still retaining well above 60FPS in-game.

If you have a 2000 series or 3000 series NVIDIA GPU, I would recommend to stick to streaming with NVENC and get the 5800X.

So I used NVENC with my old 1080TI Strix, on the one system back before I got the streaming PC it was fine until I played a very Vram heavy game such as Warzone or Battlfield the stream would lose alot of Frames. Mostly because of the downsample from 1440p high refresh to stream 936P 60 fps.
Hense why I built the stream PC which I also used NVENC on.

Would my 2080TI Trio do a better job you think?

[WereCat]

9 minutes ago, Glaith said:

So I used NVENC with my old 1080TI Strix, on the one system back before I got the streaming PC it was fine until I played a very Vram heavy game such as Warzone or Battlfield the stream would lose alot of Frames. Mostly because of the downsample from 1440p high refresh to stream 936P 60 fps.
Hense why I built the stream PC which I also used NVENC on.

Would my 2080TI Trio do a better job you think?

That has nothing to do with VRAM. Those games have issues when hooking up to OBS and if you're sitting at a GPU load of above 98% you will experience heavy FPS drops in stream.

There is new OBS version coming out that should help resolving it a little bit but also the temporary fix for this which works for me on a 1080ti is to make sure to have the newest version of OBS Studio and you have to run it as Administrator and also enable Game Mode in Windows 10.

 

The issue was also related to WDM (Windows Desktop Management) in Windows where Windows had no idea whether to allocate the GPU resources to the game or the OBS preview (which uses HW acceleration).

 

With newest NVIDIA drivers and Windows 10 version this should also be less of an issue since the WDM now can distinguish between multiple HW accelerated applications at the same time.

 

So basically, the issue you experienced was an issue everybody was experiencing at the time. Definitely give it another try. Make sure to keep the GPU load at no more than 95% if you can (lower some in-game settings). This will result in a lot smoother gameplay and no FPS drops in stream.

 

Also the 2080ti uses the new NVENC chip which has a lot better quality at the same bitrates when recording/streaming vs the 1080ti and honestly, it's so good that it makes CPU recording/streaming quite irrelevant since it basically matches and even exceeds the quality of 1080p60 Medium with the CPU encode.

[Glaith]

27 minutes ago, WereCat said:

That has nothing to do with VRAM. Those games have issues when hooking up to OBS and if you're sitting at a GPU load of above 98% you will experience heavy FPS drops in stream.

There is new OBS version coming out that should help resolving it a little bit but also the temporary fix for this which works for me on a 1080ti is to make sure to have the newest version of OBS Studio and you have to run it as Administrator and also enable Game Mode in Windows 10.

 

The issue was also related to WDM (Windows Desktop Management) in Windows where Windows had no idea whether to allocate the GPU resources to the game or the OBS preview (which uses HW acceleration).

 

With newest NVIDIA drivers and Windows 10 version this should also be less of an issue since the WDM now can distinguish between multiple HW accelerated applications at the same time.

 

So basically, the issue you experienced was an issue everybody was experiencing at the time. Definitely give it another try. Make sure to keep the GPU load at no more than 95% if you can (lower some in-game settings). This will result in a lot smoother gameplay and no FPS drops in stream.

 

Also the 2080ti uses the new NVENC chip which has a lot better quality at the same bitrates when recording/streaming vs the 1080ti and honestly, it's so good that it makes CPU recording/streaming quite irrelevant since it basically matches and even exceeds the quality of 1080p60 Medium with the CPU encode.

Ok cool thank you for the in depth response